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From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
To: Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>
Cc: Linux kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 09:19:30 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrUYe8xVpd6v1gc97EfY+7JXNC7t9GsVqHEGKVMjPADRHQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <55CAFD9F.2070001@list.ru>

On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 1:02 AM, Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> wrote:
> 12.08.2015 03:38, Andy Lutomirski пишет:
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi guys, I wonder how easily the include/uapi/* is being
>>> changed these days.
>>> The patch:
>>>
>>> http://lkml.kernel.org/r/405594361340a2ec32f8e2b115c142df0e180d8e.1426193719.git.luto@kernel.org
>>> breaks dosemu (and perhaps everyone else who used
>>> to restore the segregs by hands). And the fix involves
>>> both autoconf magic and run-time magic, so it is not even
>>> trivial.
>>> I realize this patch may be good to have in general, but
>>> breaking userspace without a single warning is a bit
>>> discouraging. Seems like the old "we don't break userspace"
>>> rule have gone.
>>
>> I didn't anticipate any breakage.  I could have been wrong.
>
> You changed include/uapi/*, which is obviously an asking
> for problems. I applied the following changes to my local
> git tree to get dosemu working again:

To be fair, I renamed a field that used to be padding.  The UAPI has
to change on occasion -- it's just not supposed to break things.

> https://github.com/stsp/dosemu2/commit/48b2a13a49a9fe1a456cd77df6b9a1feec675a01

Maybe I'm still missing something, but this seems like it should be
unnecessary.  What goes wrong without it?

The new ss field serves two purposes: it stores the old ss (dosemu
needs that on new kernels and would benefit in general) and it stores
the new post-sigreturn ss (dosemu doesn't currently have any use for
that because of the iret trampoline trick).

But maybe you're doing this to make the next patch work.

> https://github.com/stsp/dosemu2/commit/7898ac60d5e569964127d6cc48f592caecd20b81

So the problem is that dosemu was actually hacking around the old
buggy behavior and thus relying on it.  Grr.

>> We might still be able to require a new sigcontext flag to be set and
>> to forcibly return to __USER_DS if the flag is set regardless of the
>> ss value in sigcontext when sigreturn is called, if that is indeed the
>> problem with DOSEMU.  But I'm not actually sure that that's the
>> problem.
>
> Well, the flag would be an ideal solution in an ideal world,
> but in our world I don't know the current relevance of dosemu,
> and whether or not it worth a new flag to add.

It wouldn't even help here, because the breakage isn't caused by
incompatible sigcontext formats -- it's caused by dosemu's reliance on
ss being preserved across signal delivery (even if it wasn't preserved
on the way back).

>
>> In fact, DOSEMU contains this:
>>
>>    /* set up a frame to get back to DPMI via iret. The kernel does not
>> save
>>       %ss, and the SYSCALL instruction in sigreturn() destroys it.
>>
>>       IRET pops off everything in 64-bit mode even if the privilege
>>       does not change which is nice, but clobbers the high 48 bits
>>       of rsp if the DPMI client uses a 16-bit stack which is not so
>>       nice (see EMUfailure.txt). Setting %rsp to 0x100000000 so that
>>       bits 16-31 are zero works around this problem, as DPMI code
>>       can't see bits 32-63 anyway.
>>   */
>>
>> So, if DOSEMU were to realize that both sigreturnissues it's
>> complaining about are fixed in recent kernels, it could sigreturn
>> directly back to any state.
>
> Good, but have you added any flag for dosemu to even know
> it can do this? Unless I am mistaken, you didn't. So the fix you
> suggest, is not easy to detect and make portable with the older
> kernels. Any suggestions?
>

You could probe for it directly: raise a signal, change the saved ss
and see what's in ss after sigreturn.

Let me see if I can come up with a clean kernel fix.

--Andy

  reply	other threads:[~2015-08-12 16:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-08-12  0:17 [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev
2015-08-12  0:38 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12  8:02   ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-12 16:19     ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2015-08-12 17:00       ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-12 18:25         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12 18:55           ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-12 19:20             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12 19:55               ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-12 20:01                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12 20:14                   ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-12 20:28                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12 20:45                       ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-12 20:47                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12 20:55                           ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-12 21:37                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12 21:50                               ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-12 22:00                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13  8:39                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2015-08-13 10:14                                     ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 12:44                                     ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 14:58                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 15:22                                         ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 15:38                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 16:03                                             ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 16:09                                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 16:20                                                 ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 16:24                                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 16:38                                                     ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 16:42                                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 16:48                                                         ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 16:59                                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 17:13                                                             ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 17:17                                                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 18:00                                                                 ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 18:05                                                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 18:19                                                                     ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 18:25                                                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 18:35                                                                         ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-22 12:38                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2015-08-22 14:19                                               ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-23  6:25                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-08-13 11:08                                   ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 15:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 15:43   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 16:19     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 16:23       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 16:34         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 16:43           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 16:44             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 17:00     ` Brian Gerst
2015-08-18  6:29       ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-18 22:42         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-18 22:47           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-19  9:35             ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-19 15:46               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-19 16:30                 ` Stas Sergeev
2015-09-02  5:12                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-02  9:17                     ` Stas Sergeev
2015-09-02 14:21                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-02 15:02                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-02 17:46                         ` Stas Sergeev
2015-09-02 18:17                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-02 18:23                             ` Stas Sergeev
2015-09-02 19:06                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-02 21:01                                 ` Stas Sergeev
2015-09-02 21:39                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-02 22:25                                     ` Stas Sergeev
2015-09-02 22:25                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-02 23:01                                         ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-19 10:10           ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-19 15:35             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-14  8:10     ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2015-08-13 17:51   ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 18:35     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 18:41       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 19:05         ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 19:49           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 20:09             ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 19:53         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 20:08           ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2015-08-13 20:09             ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 21:42               ` Raymond Jennings
2015-08-13 21:46                 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 22:01                   ` Raymond Jennings
2015-08-13 22:05                     ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 23:05                     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 23:18                       ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 23:35                         ` Raymond Jennings
2015-08-13 23:43                         ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-14  0:02                           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 22:02                   ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 22:11                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 22:25                       ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 22:29                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 22:51                           ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 23:00                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 23:17                               ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-14  0:00                               ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-14  0:05                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-14  0:17                                   ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-14  0:27                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-14  0:50                                       ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-14  1:21                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-14  1:32                                           ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-14  1:37                                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-14  2:03                                               ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-18  6:19                                               ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-14  0:08                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-14  0:24                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-14  0:40                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-14  7:22               ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2015-08-14 10:02                 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2015-08-14 10:53                   ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2015-08-13 18:57       ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 19:01         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 19:13           ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 19:37             ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 19:59               ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 20:07                 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-18  6:40                   ` Stas Sergeev

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