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From: Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Raymond Jennings <shentino@gmail.com>,
	Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@gmail.com>,
	Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@parallels.com>,
	Linux kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 12:17:32 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <55E6BEAC.8080302@list.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrVmqP3EE8Opu6VTedHsaCWisPEB6hEZPbGc=4D0-g1+4w@mail.gmail.com>

02.09.2015 08:12, Andy Lutomirski пишет:
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 9:30 AM, Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> wrote:
>> 19.08.2015 18:46, Andy Lutomirski пишет:
>>> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 2:35 AM, Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> wrote:
>>>>> Incidentally, I tried implementing the sigaction flag approach.  I
>>>>> think it's no good.  When we return from a signal, there's no concept
>>>>> of sigaction -- it's just sigreturn.  Sigreturn can't look up the
>>>>> sigaction flags -- what if the signal handler calls sigaction itself.
>>>> How about the SA_hyz flag that does the following:
>>>> - Saves SS into sigcontext
>>>> - Forces SS to USER_DS on signal delivery
>>>> - Sets the uc_flags flag for sigreturn() to take care of the rest.
>>>> You'll have both the control on every bit of action, and a simple
>>>> detection logic: if SA_hyz didn't set the uc flag - it didn't work.
>>>> You can even employ your lar heuristic here for the case when the
>>>> aforementioned SA_hyz is not set. But please, please not when it is
>>>> set! In fact, I wonder if you had in mind exactly that: using the
>>>> lar heuristic only if the SA_hyz is not set. If so - I misunderstood.
>>>> Just please don't add it when it is set.
>>> Hmm, interesting.  Maybe that would work for everything.  How's this
>>> to make it concrete?
>>>
>>> Add a sigaction flag SA_RESTORE_SS.
>>>
>>> On signal delivery, always save SS into sigcontext->ss. if
>>> SA_RESTORE_SS is set, then unconditionally switch HW SS to __USER_DS
>>> and set UC_RESTORE_SS.  If SA_RESTORE_SS is clear, then leave HW SS
>>> alone (i.e. preserve the old behavior).
>> Either that, or employ the lar heuristic for the "not set" case
>> (I think its not needed).
>>
>>> On signal return, if UC_RESTORE_SS is set, then restore
>>> sigcontext->ss.  If not, then set SS to __USER_DS (as old kernels
>>> did).
>>>
>>> This should change nothing at all (except the initial value of
>>> sigcontext->ss / __pad0) on old kernels.
>> Agreed.
>>
> Let me throw out one more possibility, just for completeness:
>
> We don't add any SA_xyz flags.  On signal delivery, we use the LAR
> heuristic.  We always fill in sigcontext->ss, and we set a new
> UC_SIGCONTEXT_SS flag to indicate that we support the new behavior.
>
> On sigreturn, we honor the sigcontext's ss, *unless* CS is 64 bit and
> SS is invalid.  In the latter case, we replace the saved ss with
> __USER_DS.
But this is not a new proposal, see here:
https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/8/13/436
The very last sentence says exactly the same.
I thought this is in the past. :)

> This should work for old DOSEMU.  It's a bit gross, but it has the
> nice benefit that everyone (even things that aren't DOSEMU) gain the
> ability to catch signals thrown from bogus SS contexts, which probably
> improves debugability.  It's also nice to not have the SA flag.
Pros:
- No new SA flag
- May improve debugability in some unknown scenario where people
do not want to just use the new flag to get their things improved

Cons:
- Does not allow to cleanly use siglongjmp(), as then there is a risk
to jump to 64bit code with bad SS
- Async signals can silently "validate" SS behind your back
- No way to extend that solution to later fixing the TLS problem
- Many ugly checks in the code, that are not always even obvious
(eg you wanted to try verw instead, and there was a gotcha with
NP bit)

Is the new SA flag such a big deal here to even bother?

  reply	other threads:[~2015-09-02  9:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-08-12  0:17 [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev
2015-08-12  0:38 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12  8:02   ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-12 16:19     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12 17:00       ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-12 18:25         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12 18:55           ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-12 19:20             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12 19:55               ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-12 20:01                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12 20:14                   ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-12 20:28                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12 20:45                       ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-12 20:47                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12 20:55                           ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-12 21:37                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12 21:50                               ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-12 22:00                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13  8:39                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2015-08-13 10:14                                     ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 12:44                                     ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 14:58                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 15:22                                         ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 15:38                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 16:03                                             ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 16:09                                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 16:20                                                 ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 16:24                                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 16:38                                                     ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 16:42                                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 16:48                                                         ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 16:59                                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 17:13                                                             ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 17:17                                                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 18:00                                                                 ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 18:05                                                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 18:19                                                                     ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 18:25                                                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 18:35                                                                         ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-22 12:38                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2015-08-22 14:19                                               ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-23  6:25                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-08-13 11:08                                   ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 15:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 15:43   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 16:19     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 16:23       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 16:34         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 16:43           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 16:44             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 17:00     ` Brian Gerst
2015-08-18  6:29       ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-18 22:42         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-18 22:47           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-19  9:35             ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-19 15:46               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-19 16:30                 ` Stas Sergeev
2015-09-02  5:12                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-02  9:17                     ` Stas Sergeev [this message]
2015-09-02 14:21                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-02 15:02                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-02 17:46                         ` Stas Sergeev
2015-09-02 18:17                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-02 18:23                             ` Stas Sergeev
2015-09-02 19:06                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-02 21:01                                 ` Stas Sergeev
2015-09-02 21:39                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-02 22:25                                     ` Stas Sergeev
2015-09-02 22:25                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-02 23:01                                         ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-19 10:10           ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-19 15:35             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-14  8:10     ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2015-08-13 17:51   ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 18:35     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 18:41       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 19:05         ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 19:49           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 20:09             ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 19:53         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 20:08           ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2015-08-13 20:09             ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 21:42               ` Raymond Jennings
2015-08-13 21:46                 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 22:01                   ` Raymond Jennings
2015-08-13 22:05                     ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 23:05                     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 23:18                       ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 23:35                         ` Raymond Jennings
2015-08-13 23:43                         ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-14  0:02                           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 22:02                   ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 22:11                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 22:25                       ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 22:29                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 22:51                           ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 23:00                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 23:17                               ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-14  0:00                               ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-14  0:05                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-14  0:17                                   ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-14  0:27                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-14  0:50                                       ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-14  1:21                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-14  1:32                                           ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-14  1:37                                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-14  2:03                                               ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-18  6:19                                               ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-14  0:08                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-14  0:24                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-14  0:40                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-14  7:22               ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2015-08-14 10:02                 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2015-08-14 10:53                   ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2015-08-13 18:57       ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 19:01         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 19:13           ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 19:37             ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 19:59               ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 20:07                 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-18  6:40                   ` Stas Sergeev

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