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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Miklos Szeredi <mszeredi@redhat.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
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	Alban Crequy <alban@kinvolk.io>,
	Seth Forshee <seth.forshee@canonical.com>,
	Sargun Dhillon <sargun@sargun.me>,
	Dongsu Park <dongsu@kinvolk.io>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 3/7] fs/posix_acl: Document that get_acl respects ACL_DONT_CACHE
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 21:14:52 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87tvu3qg2b.fsf@xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87r2p7rvn5.fsf@xmission.com> (Eric W. Biederman's message of "Mon, 26 Feb 2018 20:53:02 -0600")

ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) writes:

2> So the purpose for having a patch in the first place is that
> 2a3a2a3f3524 ("ovl: don't cache acl on overlay layer")
> which addded ACL_DONT_CACHED did not result in any comment updates
> to get_acl.
>
> Which mean that if you read the comments in get_acl() that you
> don't even think of ACL_DONT_CACHED.
>
> Which means that this comment:
> 	/*
> 	 * If the ACL isn't being read yet, set our sentinel.  Otherwise, the
> 	 * current value of the ACL will not be ACL_NOT_CACHED and so our own
> 	 * sentinel will not be set; another task will update the cache.  We
> 	 * could wait for that other task to complete its job, but it's easier
> 	 * to just call ->get_acl to fetch the ACL ourself.  (This is going to
> 	 * be an unlikely race.)
> 	 */
>
> Which presumes the only reason the acl could be anything other
> ACL_NOT_CACHED is because get_acl() is already being called upon it in
> another task.
>
> I wanted something to mention ACL_DONT_CACHED so someone would at least
> think about that case if they ever step up to modify the code.
>
> The code is perfectly clear, the comment is not.   That scares me.
>
> And I had to read the code about a dozen times before I realized the
> ACL_DONT_CACHED case even exists.   Not useful when I am need to use
> that to preserve historical fuse semantics.
>
> So something is missing here even if my wording does not improve things.
>
>
>
> Then we get this comment:
> 	/*
> 	 * Normally, the ACL returned by ->get_acl will be cached.
> 	 * A filesystem can prevent that by calling
> 	 * forget_cached_acl(inode, type) in ->get_acl.
> 	 */
>
> Which was added in b8a7a3a66747 ("posix_acl: Inode acl caching fixes")
> That comment is and always has been rubbish.
>
> I don't have a clue what it is trying to say but it is not something
> a person can use to write filesystem code with.
>
>
> Truths:
> - forget_cached_acl(inode, type) can be used to invalidate the acl
>   cache.
>
> - Calling forget_cached_acl from within the filesystems ->get_acl
>   method won't prevent a cached value from being returend because
>   ->get_acl will be set.
>
> - Calling forget_cached_acl from within the filesystems ->get_acl
>   method won't prevent a returned value from being cached
>   because it the caching happens after ->get_acl returns.

Sigh.  Yes it will because we set the special sentinel value,
and forget_cached_acl will replace the sentinel value with
ACL_NOT_CACHED.

It is a terribly brittle and racy thing to do, and it probably won't
work to say cache this acl but not this one on a case by case bases
in ->get_acl.

As such I believe that usage of forget_cached_acl should be subsumed by
using ACL_NOT_CACHED.  If not we should really come up with a different
helper function name to call from ->get_acl.  Preferably one that does
"cmpxchng(p, sentinel, ACL_NOT_CACHED)" so that we remove the races.


> - Setting inode->i_acl = ACL_DONT_CACHE is the only way to prevent
>   a value from ->get_acl from being cached.
>   
>
> In summary I only care about two things.
> 1) ACL_NOT_CACHED being mentioned somewhere in get_acl so people looking
>    at the code, and people updating the code will have a hint that they
>    need to consider that case.
>
> 2) That misleading completely bogus comment being removed/fixed.
>
>
> And yes I agree the code is clear.  The comments are not.
>
>
> Does this look better as a comment updating patch?
>
> diff --git a/fs/posix_acl.c b/fs/posix_acl.c
> index 2fd0fde16fe1..5453094b8828 100644
> --- a/fs/posix_acl.c
> +++ b/fs/posix_acl.c
> @@ -98,6 +98,11 @@ struct posix_acl *get_acl(struct inode *inode, int type)
>         struct posix_acl **p;
>         struct posix_acl *acl;
>  
> +       /*
> +        * To avoid caching the result of ->get_acl
> +        * set inode->i_acl = inode->i_default_acl = ACL_DONT_CACHE;
> +        */
> +
>         /*
>          * The sentinel is used to detect when another operation like
>          * set_cached_acl() or forget_cached_acl() races with get_acl().
> @@ -126,9 +131,7 @@ struct posix_acl *get_acl(struct inode *inode, int type)
>                 /* fall through */ ;
>  
>         /*
> -        * Normally, the ACL returned by ->get_acl will be cached.
> -        * A filesystem can prevent that by calling
> -        * forget_cached_acl(inode, type) in ->get_acl.
> +        * The ACL returned by ->get_acl will be cached.
>          *
>          * If the filesystem doesn't have a get_acl() function at all, we'll
>          * just create the negative cache entry.
>
> Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2018-02-27  3:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-12-22 14:32 [PATCH v5 00/11] FUSE mounts from non-init user namespaces Dongsu Park
2017-12-22 14:32 ` [PATCH 01/11] block_dev: Support checking inode permissions in lookup_bdev() Dongsu Park
2017-12-22 18:59   ` Coly Li
2017-12-23 12:00     ` Dongsu Park
2017-12-23  3:03   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-12-22 14:32 ` [PATCH 02/11] mtd: Check permissions towards mtd block device inode when mounting Dongsu Park
2017-12-22 21:06   ` Richard Weinberger
2017-12-23 12:18     ` Dongsu Park
2017-12-23 12:56       ` Richard Weinberger
2017-12-23  3:05   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-12-22 14:32 ` [PATCH 03/11] fs: Allow superblock owner to change ownership of inodes Dongsu Park
2017-12-23  3:17   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2018-01-05 19:24   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2018-01-09 15:10     ` Dongsu Park
2018-01-09 17:23       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2018-02-13 13:18   ` Miklos Szeredi
2018-02-16 22:00     ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-12-22 14:32 ` [PATCH 04/11] fs: Don't remove suid for CAP_FSETID for userns root Dongsu Park
2017-12-23  3:26   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-12-23 12:38     ` Dongsu Park
2018-02-13 13:37       ` Miklos Szeredi
2017-12-22 14:32 ` [PATCH 05/11] fs: Allow superblock owner to access do_remount_sb() Dongsu Park
2017-12-23  3:30   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-12-22 14:32 ` [PATCH 06/11] capabilities: Allow privileged user in s_user_ns to set security.* xattrs Dongsu Park
2017-12-23  3:33   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-12-22 14:32 ` [PATCH 07/11] fs: Allow CAP_SYS_ADMIN in s_user_ns to freeze and thaw filesystems Dongsu Park
2017-12-23  3:39   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2018-02-14 12:28   ` Miklos Szeredi
2018-02-19 22:56     ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-12-22 14:32 ` [PATCH 08/11] fuse: Support fuse filesystems outside of init_user_ns Dongsu Park
2017-12-23  3:46   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2018-01-17 10:59   ` Alban Crequy
2018-01-17 14:29     ` Seth Forshee
2018-01-17 18:56       ` Alban Crequy
2018-01-17 19:31         ` Seth Forshee
2018-01-18 10:29           ` Alban Crequy
2018-02-12 15:57   ` Miklos Szeredi
2018-02-12 16:35     ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-02-13 10:20       ` Miklos Szeredi
2018-02-16 21:52         ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-02-20  2:12   ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-12-22 14:32 ` [PATCH 09/11] fuse: Restrict allow_other to the superblock's namespace or a descendant Dongsu Park
2017-12-23  3:50   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2018-02-19 23:16   ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-12-22 14:32 ` [PATCH 10/11] fuse: Allow user namespace mounts Dongsu Park
2017-12-23  3:51   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2018-02-14 13:44   ` Miklos Szeredi
2018-02-15  8:46     ` Miklos Szeredi
2017-12-22 14:32 ` [PATCH 11/11] evm: Don't update hmacs in user ns mounts Dongsu Park
2017-12-23  4:03   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-12-24  5:12     ` Mimi Zohar
2017-12-24  5:56       ` Mimi Zohar
2017-12-25  7:05 ` [PATCH v5 00/11] FUSE mounts from non-init user namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-09 15:05   ` Dongsu Park
2018-01-18 14:58     ` Alban Crequy
2018-02-19 23:09       ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-02-13 11:32 ` Miklos Szeredi
2018-02-16 21:53   ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-02-21 20:24 ` [PATCH v6 0/6] fuse: " Eric W. Biederman
2018-02-21 20:29   ` [PATCH v6 1/5] fuse: Remove the buggy retranslation of pids in fuse_dev_do_read Eric W. Biederman
2018-02-22 10:13     ` Miklos Szeredi
2018-02-22 19:04       ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-02-21 20:29   ` [PATCH v6 2/5] fuse: Fail all requests with invalid uids or gids Eric W. Biederman
2018-02-22 10:26     ` Miklos Szeredi
2018-02-22 18:15       ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-02-21 20:29   ` [PATCH v6 3/5] fuse: Support fuse filesystems outside of init_user_ns Eric W. Biederman
2018-02-21 20:29   ` [PATCH v6 4/5] fuse: Ensure posix acls are translated " Eric W. Biederman
2018-02-22 11:40     ` Miklos Szeredi
2018-02-22 19:18       ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-02-22 22:50         ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-02-26  7:47           ` Miklos Szeredi
2018-02-26 16:35             ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-02-26 21:51               ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-02-21 20:29   ` [PATCH v6 5/5] fuse: Restrict allow_other to the superblock's namespace or a descendant Eric W. Biederman
2018-02-26 23:52   ` [PATCH v7 0/7] fuse: mounts from non-init user namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2018-02-26 23:52     ` [PATCH v7 1/7] fuse: Remove the buggy retranslation of pids in fuse_dev_do_read Eric W. Biederman
2018-02-26 23:52     ` [PATCH v7 2/7] fuse: Fail all requests with invalid uids or gids Eric W. Biederman
2018-02-26 23:52     ` [PATCH v7 3/7] fs/posix_acl: Document that get_acl respects ACL_DONT_CACHE Eric W. Biederman
2018-02-27  1:13       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-02-27  2:53         ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-02-27  3:14           ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2018-02-27  3:41             ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-02 19:53               ` [RFC][PATCH] fs/posix_acl: Update the comments and support lightweight cache skipping Eric W. Biederman
2018-02-27  3:36           ` [PATCH v7 3/7] fs/posix_acl: Document that get_acl respects ACL_DONT_CACHE Linus Torvalds
2018-02-26 23:52     ` [PATCH v7 4/7] fuse: Cache a NULL acl when FUSE_GETXATTR returns -ENOSYS Eric W. Biederman
2018-02-26 23:53     ` [PATCH v7 5/7] fuse: Simplfiy the posix acl handling logic Eric W. Biederman
2018-02-27  9:00       ` Miklos Szeredi
2018-03-02 21:49         ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-02-26 23:53     ` [PATCH v7 6/7] fuse: Support fuse filesystems outside of init_user_ns Eric W. Biederman
2018-02-26 23:53     ` [PATCH v7 7/7] fuse: Restrict allow_other to the superblock's namespace or a descendant Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-02 21:58     ` [PATCH v8 0/6] fuse: mounts from non-init user namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-02 21:59       ` [PATCH v8 1/6] fs/posix_acl: Update the comments and support lightweight cache skipping Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-05  9:53         ` Miklos Szeredi
2018-03-05 13:53           ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-02 21:59       ` [PATCH v8 2/6] fuse: Simplfiy the posix acl handling logic Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-02 21:59       ` [PATCH v8 3/6] fuse: Remove the buggy retranslation of pids in fuse_dev_do_read Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-02 21:59       ` [PATCH v8 4/6] fuse: Fail all requests with invalid uids or gids Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-02 21:59       ` [PATCH v8 5/6] fuse: Support fuse filesystems outside of init_user_ns Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-02 21:59       ` [PATCH v8 6/6] fuse: Restrict allow_other to the superblock's namespace or a descendant Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-08 21:23       ` [PATCH v9 0/4] fuse: mounts from non-init user namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-08 21:24         ` [PATCH v9 1/4] fuse: Remove the buggy retranslation of pids in fuse_dev_do_read Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-08 21:24         ` [PATCH v9 2/4] fuse: Fail all requests with invalid uids or gids Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-08 21:24         ` [PATCH v9 3/4] fuse: Support fuse filesystems outside of init_user_ns Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-08 21:24         ` [PATCH v9 4/4] fuse: Restrict allow_other to the superblock's namespace or a descendant Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-20 16:25         ` [PATCH v9 0/4] fuse: mounts from non-init user namespaces Miklos Szeredi
2018-03-20 18:27           ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-21  8:38             ` Miklos Szeredi

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