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From: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@google.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
	Sultan Alsawaf <sultan@kerneltoast.com>,
	"Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>,
	Srinivas Pandruvada <srinivas.pandruvada@linux.intel.com>,
	kitsunyan <kitsunyan@airmail.cc>,
	"Brown, Len" <len.brown@intel.com>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86/msr: do not warn on writes to OC_MAILBOX
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 15:32:28 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CACdnJusOJVb0xpecFgPQB4N2WhUORikv_1eXAcGfJ3xwBVTo9Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <025308CD-6E1A-41E1-8B3D-E9842CE00794@amacapital.net>

On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 1:35 PM Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote:

> Undervolting is a bit different. It’s a genuinely useful configuration that can affect system stability.  In general, I think it should be allowed, and it should have a real driver in tree.

Agree that this should be a proper driver rather than permitting
arbitrary poking (especially if this isn't an architecturally defined
MSR - there's no guarantee that it'll have the same functionality
everywhere).

> But this has a tricky interaction with lockdown.  An interface that allows root to destabilize a system may well allow root to escalate privileges.  But I think that making lockdown=integrity prevent tuning voltages and such would be quite obnoxious.

Indeed - plundervolt.com is a demonstration of this. Any realistic
attack involves being able to drop the voltage enough to interfere
with a calculation and then raise it again before everything else
falls over, so simply applying some rate limiting seems like it would
be sufficient.

> Should there perhaps be a separate lockdown bit for stability?

If it's a sysfs interface then I think it'd be easy enough for people
who care to just add an SELinux or Apparmor rule, tbh.

  reply	other threads:[~2020-09-08 22:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-09-07  9:48 [PATCH] x86/msr: do not warn on writes to OC_MAILBOX Jason A. Donenfeld
2020-09-07 10:06 ` Borislav Petkov
2020-09-07 10:46   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2020-09-07 11:11     ` Borislav Petkov
2020-09-07 11:15       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2020-09-07 11:23         ` Borislav Petkov
2020-09-08 17:10   ` Srinivas Pandruvada
2020-09-08 17:12     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2020-09-08 17:25       ` Borislav Petkov
2020-09-08 17:29         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2020-09-08 17:36           ` Borislav Petkov
2020-09-08 17:42             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2020-09-08 18:01               ` Borislav Petkov
2020-09-08 19:07                 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2020-09-08 19:18                 ` Sultan Alsawaf
2020-09-08 19:30                   ` Borislav Petkov
2020-09-08 20:35                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-09-08 22:32                       ` Matthew Garrett [this message]
2020-09-09 23:56                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-09-09  1:02                     ` Srinivas Pandruvada
2020-09-10  0:08                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-10-19 17:15                       ` Borislav Petkov
2020-10-20 17:21                         ` Srinivas Pandruvada
2020-10-20 17:47                           ` Borislav Petkov
2020-10-20 18:40                             ` Srinivas Pandruvada
2020-10-20 19:40                               ` Dave Hansen
2020-10-21 13:11                                 ` Srinivas Pandruvada
2020-10-22 19:28                                   ` Borislav Petkov
2020-10-21 13:24                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-09-08 17:31     ` Borislav Petkov

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