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From: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
To: John Johansen <john.johansen@canonical.com>
Cc: Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>,
	James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>,
	Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>,
	"Schaufler, Casey" <casey.schaufler@intel.com>,
	LSM <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"open list:DOCUMENTATION" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH security-next v3 18/29] LSM: Introduce lsm.enable= and lsm.disable=
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2018 16:30:08 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGXu5jJheexJgnJ+OWaDoRFraqm9yxj1Vr290tfZ7kELBPUpAw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9b3e1733-7cfa-5047-1422-0f9d92d88d39@canonical.com>

On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:48 PM, John Johansen
<john.johansen@canonical.com> wrote:
> On 10/01/2018 03:27 PM, Kees Cook wrote:
>> On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 2:46 PM, John Johansen
>> <john.johansen@canonical.com> wrote:
>>> On 09/24/2018 05:18 PM, Kees Cook wrote:
>>>> This introduces the "lsm.enable=..." and "lsm.disable=..." boot parameters
>>>> which each can contain a comma-separated list of LSMs to enable or
>>>> disable, respectively. The string "all" matches all LSMs.
>>>>
>>>> This has very similar functionality to the existing per-LSM enable
>>>> handling ("apparmor.enabled=...", etc), but provides a centralized
>>>> place to perform the changes. These parameters take precedent over any
>>>> LSM-specific boot parameters.
>>>>
>>>> Disabling an LSM means it will not be considered when performing
>>>> initializations. Enabling an LSM means either undoing a previous
>>>> LSM-specific boot parameter disabling or a undoing a default-disabled
>>>> CONFIG setting.
>>>>
>>>> For example: "lsm.disable=apparmor apparmor.enabled=1" will result in
>>>> AppArmor being disabled. "selinux.enabled=0 lsm.enable=selinux" will
>>>> result in SELinux being enabled.
>>>>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
>>>
>>> I don't like this. It brings about conflicting kernel params that are
>>> bound to confuse users. Its pretty easy for a user to understand that
>>> when they specify a parameter manually at boot, that  it overrides the
>>> build time default. But conflicting kernel parameters are a lot harder
>>> to deal with.
>>>
>>> I prefer a plain enabled= list being an override of the default build
>>> time value. Where conflicts with LSM-specific configs always result in
>>> the LSM being disabled with a complaint about the conflict.
>>>
>>> Though I have yet to be convinced its worth the cost, I do recognize
>>> it is sometimes convenient to disable a single LSM, instead of typing
>>> in a whole list of what to enable. If we have to have conflicting
>>> kernel parameters I would prefer that the conflict throw up a warning
>>> and leaving the LSM with the conflicting config disabled.
>>
>> Alright, let's drill down a bit more. I thought I had all the
>> requirements sorted out here. :)
>>
>> AppArmor and SELinux are "special" here in that they have both:
>>
>> - CONFIG for enable-ness
>> - boot param for enable-ness
>>
>> Now, the way this worked in the past was that combined with
>> CONFIG_DEFAULT_SECURITY and the link-time ordering, this resulted in a
>> way to get the LSM enabled, skipped, etc. But it was highly CONFIG
>> dependent.
>>
>> SELinux does:
>>
>> #ifdef CONFIG_SECURITY_SELINUX_BOOTPARAM
>> int selinux_enabled = CONFIG_SECURITY_SELINUX_BOOTPARAM_VALUE;
>>
>> static int __init selinux_enabled_setup(char *str)
>> {
>>         unsigned long enabled;
>>         if (!kstrtoul(str, 0, &enabled))
>>                 selinux_enabled = enabled ? 1 : 0;
>>         return 1;
>> }
>> __setup("selinux=", selinux_enabled_setup);
>> #else
>> int selinux_enabled = 1;
>> #endif
>> ...
>>         if (!security_module_enable("selinux")) {
>>                 selinux_enabled = 0;
>>                 return 0;
>>         }
>>
>>         if (!selinux_enabled) {
>>                 pr_info("SELinux:  Disabled at boot.\n");
>>                 return 0;
>>         }
>>
>>
>> AppArmor does:
>>
>> /* Boot time disable flag */
>> static bool apparmor_enabled = CONFIG_SECURITY_APPARMOR_BOOTPARAM_VALUE;
>> module_param_named(enabled, apparmor_enabled, bool, S_IRUGO);
>>
>> static int __init apparmor_enabled_setup(char *str)
>> {
>>         unsigned long enabled;
>>         int error = kstrtoul(str, 0, &enabled);
>>         if (!error)
>>                 apparmor_enabled = enabled ? 1 : 0;
>>         return 1;
>> }
>>
>> __setup("apparmor=", apparmor_enabled_setup);
>> ...
>>         if (!apparmor_enabled || !security_module_enable("apparmor")) {
>>                 aa_info_message("AppArmor disabled by boot time parameter");
>>                 apparmor_enabled = false;
>>                 return 0;
>>         }
>>
>>
>> Smack and TOMOYO each do:
>>
>>         if (!security_module_enable("smack"))
>>                 return 0;
>>
>>         if (!security_module_enable("tomoyo"))
>>                 return 0;
>>
>>
>> Capability, Integrity, Yama, and LoadPin always run init. (This series
>> fixes LoadPin to separate enable vs enforce, so we can ignore its
>> "enable" setting, which isn't an "am I active?" boolean -- its init
>> was always run.) With the enable logic is lifted out of the LSMs, we
>> want to have "implicit enable" for 6 of 8 of the LSMs. (Which is why I
>> had originally suggested CONFIG_LSM_DISABLE, since the normal state is
>> enabled.) But given your feedback, I made this "implicit disable" and
>> added CONFIG_LSM_ENABLE instead. (For which "CONFIG_LSM_ENABLE=all"
>> gets the same results.)
>>
>>
>> I think, then, the first question (mainly for you and Paul) is:
>>
>> Should we remove CONFIG_SECURITY_SELINUX_BOOTPARAM_VALUE and
>> CONFIG_SECURITY_APPARMOR_BOOTPARAM_VALUE in favor of only
>> CONFIG_LSM_ENABLE?
>>
>
> We can remove the Kconfig for the apparmor bootparam value. In fact I
> will attach that patch below. I can't get rid of the parameter as it
> is part of the userspace api. There are tools and applications
> checking /sys/module/apparmor/parameters/enabled
>
> but we can certainly default it to enabled and make it work only as a
> runtime kernel parameter to disable apparmor which is how it has been
> traditionally been used.
>
>> The answer will affect the next question: what should be done with the
>> boot parameters? AppArmor has two ways to change enablement:
>> apparmor=0/1 and apparmor.enabled=0/1. SELinux just has selinux=0/1.
>> Should those be removed in favor of "lsm.enable=..."? (And if they're
>> not removed, how do people imagine they should interact?)
>
> I am not against removing the apparmor one, it does mean retraining
> users but it is seldmon used so it may be worth dropping. If we keep
> it, it should be a disable only flag that where the use of apparmor=0
> or apparmor.enable=0 (same thing) means apparmor is disabled.

If we keep it, "apparmor=0 lsm_enable=apparmor" would mean it's
enabled. Is that okay?

> ---
>
> commit 367b8a47105c68fa170bdd14b0204555eb930476
> Author: John Johansen <john.johansen@canonical.com>
> Date:   Mon Oct 1 15:46:02 2018 -0700
>
>     apparmor: remove apparmor boot param config
>
>     The boot param value is only ever used as a means to disable apparmor.
>     Get rid of the Kconfig and a default the parameter to true.
>
>     Signed-off-by: John Johansen <john.johansen@canonical.com>
>
> diff --git a/security/apparmor/Kconfig b/security/apparmor/Kconfig
> index b6b68a7750ce..3de21f46c82a 100644
> --- a/security/apparmor/Kconfig
> +++ b/security/apparmor/Kconfig
> @@ -14,22 +14,6 @@ config SECURITY_APPARMOR
>
>           If you are unsure how to answer this question, answer N.
>
> -config SECURITY_APPARMOR_BOOTPARAM_VALUE
> -       int "AppArmor boot parameter default value"
> -       depends on SECURITY_APPARMOR
> -       range 0 1
> -       default 1
> -       help
> -         This option sets the default value for the kernel parameter
> -         'apparmor', which allows AppArmor to be enabled or disabled
> -          at boot.  If this option is set to 0 (zero), the AppArmor
> -         kernel parameter will default to 0, disabling AppArmor at
> -         boot.  If this option is set to 1 (one), the AppArmor
> -         kernel parameter will default to 1, enabling AppArmor at
> -         boot.
> -
> -         If you are unsure how to answer this question, answer 1.
> -
>  config SECURITY_APPARMOR_HASH
>         bool "Enable introspection of sha1 hashes for loaded profiles"
>         depends on SECURITY_APPARMOR
> diff --git a/security/apparmor/lsm.c b/security/apparmor/lsm.c
> index f09fea0b4db7..8e83ee52a0a3 100644
> --- a/security/apparmor/lsm.c
> +++ b/security/apparmor/lsm.c
> @@ -1303,7 +1303,7 @@ bool aa_g_paranoid_load = true;
>  module_param_named(paranoid_load, aa_g_paranoid_load, aabool, S_IRUGO);
>
>  /* Boot time disable flag */
> -static bool apparmor_enabled = CONFIG_SECURITY_APPARMOR_BOOTPARAM_VALUE;
> +static bool apparmor_enabled = true;

In the new world, this wouldn't be "= true" since its state would be
controlled by CONFIG_LSM_ENABLE (and lsm.enable=...). Is that okay?

>  module_param_named(enabled, apparmor_enabled, bool, S_IRUGO);
>
>  static int __init apparmor_enabled_setup(char *str)

I'll add this to the series, thanks!

-Kees

-- 
Kees Cook
Pixel Security

  reply	other threads:[~2018-10-01 23:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-25  0:18 [PATCH security-next v3 00/29] LSM: Explict LSM ordering Kees Cook
2018-09-25  0:18 ` [PATCH security-next v3 01/29] LSM: Correctly announce start of LSM initialization Kees Cook
2018-10-01 19:53   ` James Morris
2018-10-01 21:05   ` John Johansen
2018-09-25  0:18 ` [PATCH security-next v3 02/29] vmlinux.lds.h: Avoid copy/paste of security_init section Kees Cook
2018-10-01 19:56   ` James Morris
2018-10-01 21:05   ` John Johansen
2018-09-25  0:18 ` [PATCH security-next v3 03/29] LSM: Rename .security_initcall section to .lsm_info Kees Cook
2018-10-01 19:57   ` James Morris
2018-10-01 21:06   ` John Johansen
2018-09-25  0:18 ` [PATCH security-next v3 04/29] LSM: Remove initcall tracing Kees Cook
2018-09-26 16:35   ` Steven Rostedt
2018-09-26 18:35     ` Kees Cook
2018-09-30 23:25       ` Steven Rostedt
2018-10-01  1:01         ` Kees Cook
2018-10-01 21:07   ` John Johansen
2018-10-01 21:23     ` Steven Rostedt
2018-10-01 22:38       ` Kees Cook
2018-09-25  0:18 ` [PATCH security-next v3 05/29] LSM: Convert from initcall to struct lsm_info Kees Cook
2018-10-01 19:59   ` James Morris
2018-10-01 21:08   ` John Johansen
2018-09-25  0:18 ` [PATCH security-next v3 06/29] vmlinux.lds.h: Move LSM_TABLE into INIT_DATA Kees Cook
2018-10-01 21:10   ` John Johansen
2018-09-25  0:18 ` [PATCH security-next v3 07/29] LSM: Convert security_initcall() into DEFINE_LSM() Kees Cook
2018-10-01 21:12   ` John Johansen
2018-09-25  0:18 ` [PATCH security-next v3 08/29] LSM: Record LSM name in struct lsm_info Kees Cook
2018-10-01 21:13   ` John Johansen
2018-09-25  0:18 ` [PATCH security-next v3 09/29] LSM: Provide init debugging infrastructure Kees Cook
2018-10-01 21:14   ` John Johansen
2018-09-25  0:18 ` [PATCH security-next v3 10/29] LSM: Don't ignore initialization failures Kees Cook
2018-10-01 21:14   ` John Johansen
2018-09-25  0:18 ` [PATCH security-next v3 11/29] LSM: Introduce LSM_FLAG_LEGACY_MAJOR Kees Cook
2018-10-01 21:15   ` John Johansen
2018-09-25  0:18 ` [PATCH security-next v3 12/29] LSM: Provide separate ordered initialization Kees Cook
2018-10-01 21:17   ` John Johansen
2018-10-01 22:03     ` Kees Cook
2018-09-25  0:18 ` [PATCH security-next v3 13/29] LoadPin: Rename "enable" to "enforce" Kees Cook
2018-10-01 21:17   ` John Johansen
2018-09-25  0:18 ` [PATCH security-next v3 14/29] LSM: Plumb visibility into optional "enabled" state Kees Cook
2018-10-01 21:18   ` John Johansen
2018-10-01 21:47   ` James Morris
2018-10-01 21:56     ` Kees Cook
2018-10-01 22:20       ` John Johansen
2018-10-01 22:29         ` Kees Cook
2018-10-01 22:53           ` John Johansen
2018-09-25  0:18 ` [PATCH security-next v3 15/29] LSM: Lift LSM selection out of individual LSMs Kees Cook
2018-10-01 21:18   ` John Johansen
2018-09-25  0:18 ` [PATCH security-next v3 16/29] LSM: Prepare for arbitrary LSM enabling Kees Cook
2018-10-01 21:22   ` John Johansen
2018-09-25  0:18 ` [PATCH security-next v3 17/29] LSM: Introduce CONFIG_LSM_ENABLE Kees Cook
2018-10-01 21:34   ` John Johansen
2018-09-25  0:18 ` [PATCH security-next v3 18/29] LSM: Introduce lsm.enable= and lsm.disable= Kees Cook
2018-10-01 21:46   ` John Johansen
2018-10-01 22:27     ` Kees Cook
2018-10-01 22:48       ` John Johansen
2018-10-01 23:30         ` Kees Cook [this message]
2018-10-01 23:38           ` Kees Cook
2018-10-01 23:57             ` John Johansen
2018-10-01 23:44           ` John Johansen
2018-10-01 23:49             ` Kees Cook
2018-09-25  0:18 ` [PATCH security-next v3 19/29] LSM: Prepare for reorganizing "security=" logic Kees Cook
2018-10-01 21:47   ` John Johansen
2018-09-25  0:18 ` [PATCH security-next v3 20/29] LSM: Refactor "security=" in terms of enable/disable Kees Cook
2018-09-25  0:18 ` [PATCH security-next v3 21/29] LSM: Build ordered list of ordered LSMs for init Kees Cook
2018-09-25  0:18 ` [PATCH security-next v3 22/29] LSM: Introduce CONFIG_LSM_ORDER Kees Cook
2018-09-25  0:18 ` [PATCH security-next v3 23/29] LSM: Introduce "lsm.order=" for boottime ordering Kees Cook
2018-09-25  0:18 ` [PATCH security-next v3 24/29] LoadPin: Initialize as ordered LSM Kees Cook
2018-09-25  0:18 ` [PATCH security-next v3 25/29] Yama: " Kees Cook
2018-09-25  0:18 ` [PATCH security-next v3 26/29] LSM: Introduce enum lsm_order Kees Cook
2018-09-25  0:18 ` [PATCH security-next v3 27/29] capability: Initialize as LSM_ORDER_FIRST Kees Cook
2018-09-25  0:18 ` [PATCH security-next v3 28/29] LSM: Separate idea of "major" LSM from "exclusive" LSM Kees Cook
2018-09-25  0:18 ` [PATCH security-next v3 29/29] LSM: Add all exclusive LSMs to ordered initialization Kees Cook
2018-09-28 15:55 ` [PATCH security-next v3 00/29] LSM: Explict LSM ordering Casey Schaufler
2018-09-28 20:01   ` Kees Cook
2018-09-28 20:25     ` Stephen Smalley
2018-09-28 20:33       ` Stephen Smalley
2018-09-28 20:54         ` Kees Cook
2018-09-29 10:48     ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-09-29 18:18       ` Kees Cook
2018-09-30  2:36         ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-09-30 16:57           ` Kees Cook
2018-09-29 18:19       ` John Johansen

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