From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: Ankur Arora <ankur.a.arora@oracle.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, x86@kernel.org,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, luto@kernel.org, bp@alien8.de,
dave.hansen@linux.intel.com, hpa@zytor.com, mingo@redhat.com,
juri.lelli@redhat.com, vincent.guittot@linaro.org,
willy@infradead.org, mgorman@suse.de, tglx@linutronix.de,
jon.grimm@amd.com, bharata@amd.com, raghavendra.kt@amd.com,
boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com, konrad.wilk@oracle.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 7/9] sched: define TIF_ALLOW_RESCHED
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 14:16:18 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHk-=whc0Jsji_h-vLyDLT6Q-NCjSTMOg9qXACmoPZOdWqMovg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=whpYjm_AizQij6XEfTd7xvGjrVCx5gzHcHm=2Xijt+Kyg@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon, 11 Sept 2023 at 13:50, Linus Torvalds
<torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
>
> Except we've actually been *adding* to this whole mess, rather than
> removing it. So we have actively *expanded* on that preemption choice
> with PREEMPT_DYNAMIC.
Actually, that config option makes no sense.
It makes the sched_cond() behavior conditional with a static call.
But all the *real* overhead is still there and unconditional (ie all
the preempt count updates and the "did it go down to zero and we need
to check" code).
That just seems stupid. It seems to have all the overhead of a
preemptible kernel, just not doing the preemption.
So I must be mis-reading this, or just missing something important.
The real cost seems to be
PREEMPT_BUILD -> PREEMPTION -> PREEMPT_COUNT
and PREEMPT vs PREEMPT_DYNAMIC makes no difference to that, since both
will end up with that, and thus both cases will have all the spinlock
preempt count stuff.
There must be some non-preempt_count cost that people worry about.
Or maybe I'm just mis-reading the Kconfig stuff entirely. That's
possible, because this seems *so* pointless to me.
Somebody please hit me with a clue-bat to the noggin.
Linus
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-09-11 22:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 152+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-08-30 18:49 [PATCH v2 0/9] x86/clear_huge_page: multi-page clearing Ankur Arora
2023-08-30 18:49 ` [PATCH v2 1/9] mm/clear_huge_page: allow arch override for clear_huge_page() Ankur Arora
2023-08-30 18:49 ` [PATCH v2 2/9] mm/huge_page: separate clear_huge_page() and copy_huge_page() Ankur Arora
2023-08-30 18:49 ` [PATCH v2 3/9] mm/huge_page: cleanup clear_/copy_subpage() Ankur Arora
2023-09-08 13:09 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-11 17:22 ` Ankur Arora
2023-08-30 18:49 ` [PATCH v2 4/9] x86/clear_page: extend clear_page*() for multi-page clearing Ankur Arora
2023-09-08 13:11 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-08-30 18:49 ` [PATCH v2 5/9] x86/clear_page: add clear_pages() Ankur Arora
2023-08-30 18:49 ` [PATCH v2 6/9] x86/clear_huge_page: multi-page clearing Ankur Arora
2023-08-31 18:26 ` kernel test robot
2023-09-08 12:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-13 6:43 ` Raghavendra K T
2023-08-30 18:49 ` [PATCH v2 7/9] sched: define TIF_ALLOW_RESCHED Ankur Arora
2023-09-08 7:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-08 17:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-08 22:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-09 5:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-09 6:39 ` Ankur Arora
2023-09-09 9:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-09 20:04 ` Ankur Arora
2023-09-09 5:30 ` Ankur Arora
2023-09-09 9:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-09 20:15 ` Ankur Arora
2023-09-09 21:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-10 3:48 ` Ankur Arora
2023-09-10 4:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-10 10:01 ` Ankur Arora
2023-09-10 18:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-11 15:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-11 16:29 ` andrew.cooper3
2023-09-11 17:04 ` Ankur Arora
2023-09-12 8:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-12 12:24 ` Phil Auld
2023-09-12 12:33 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-18 23:42 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-19 1:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-19 8:03 ` Ingo Molnar
2023-09-19 8:43 ` Ingo Molnar
2023-09-19 13:43 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-19 13:25 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-19 12:30 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-19 13:00 ` Arches that don't support PREEMPT Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-19 13:34 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-09-19 13:37 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2023-09-19 13:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-19 13:48 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2023-09-19 14:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-19 14:24 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2023-09-19 14:32 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-19 15:31 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-09-20 14:38 ` Anton Ivanov
2023-09-21 12:20 ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-09-19 14:17 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-19 14:50 ` H. Peter Anvin
2023-09-19 14:57 ` Matt Turner
2023-09-19 17:09 ` Ulrich Teichert
2023-09-19 17:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-19 17:58 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2023-09-19 18:31 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-19 18:38 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-09-19 18:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-19 19:53 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-20 7:32 ` Ingo Molnar
2023-09-20 7:29 ` Ingo Molnar
2023-09-20 8:26 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-20 10:37 ` David Laight
2023-09-19 14:21 ` Anton Ivanov
2023-09-19 15:17 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-19 15:21 ` Anton Ivanov
2023-09-19 16:22 ` Richard Weinberger
2023-09-19 16:41 ` Anton Ivanov
2023-09-19 17:33 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-10-06 14:51 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-09-20 14:22 ` [PATCH v2 7/9] sched: define TIF_ALLOW_RESCHED Ankur Arora
2023-09-20 20:51 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-21 0:14 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-21 0:58 ` Ankur Arora
2023-09-21 2:12 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-20 23:58 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-21 0:57 ` Ankur Arora
2023-09-21 2:02 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-21 4:16 ` Ankur Arora
2023-09-21 13:59 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-09-21 16:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-21 22:55 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-23 1:11 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-10-02 14:15 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-02 16:13 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-10-18 1:03 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-10-18 12:09 ` Ankur Arora
2023-10-18 17:51 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-10-18 22:53 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-10-18 23:25 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-10-18 13:16 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-10-18 14:31 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-18 17:55 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-10-18 18:00 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-18 18:13 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-10-19 12:37 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-10-19 17:08 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-10-18 17:19 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-10-18 17:41 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-18 17:59 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-10-18 20:15 ` Ankur Arora
2023-10-18 20:42 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-10-19 0:21 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-10-19 19:13 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-10-20 21:59 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-10-20 22:56 ` Ankur Arora
2023-10-20 23:36 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-10-21 1:05 ` Ankur Arora
2023-10-21 2:08 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-10-24 12:15 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-10-24 18:59 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-09-23 22:50 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-24 0:10 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-24 7:19 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-24 7:55 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-24 10:29 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-25 0:13 ` Ankur Arora
2023-10-06 13:01 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-09-19 7:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2023-09-19 19:05 ` Ankur Arora
2023-10-24 14:34 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-25 1:49 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-26 7:50 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2023-10-26 12:48 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-09-11 16:48 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-09-11 20:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-11 21:16 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2023-09-12 7:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-12 7:38 ` Ingo Molnar
2023-09-11 22:20 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-09-11 23:10 ` Ankur Arora
2023-09-11 23:16 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-09-12 16:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-12 3:27 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-12 16:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-19 3:21 ` Andy Lutomirski
2023-09-19 9:20 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-19 9:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2023-08-30 18:49 ` [PATCH v2 8/9] irqentry: define irqentry_exit_allow_resched() Ankur Arora
2023-09-08 12:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-11 17:24 ` Ankur Arora
2023-08-30 18:49 ` [PATCH v2 9/9] x86/clear_huge_page: make clear_contig_region() preemptible Ankur Arora
2023-09-08 12:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-03 8:14 ` [PATCH v2 0/9] x86/clear_huge_page: multi-page clearing Mateusz Guzik
2023-09-05 22:14 ` Ankur Arora
2023-09-08 2:18 ` Raghavendra K T
2023-09-05 1:06 ` Raghavendra K T
2023-09-05 19:36 ` Ankur Arora
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