* (Song) Fk SystemD
@ 2014-10-04 16:49 Tom Collins
2014-10-04 17:40 ` Al Viro
[not found] ` <9c4839d12e9bc5251493034e66b550d2@neutralite.org>
0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Tom Collins @ 2014-10-04 16:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-kernel, debian-user
youtu.be/JbRztcLaQa8
Fuck Systemd. It is passionless static, worthless.
Only here to force us in a direction.
And Linus Trovalds agrees 100% with that direction.
But he never claimed to be brilliant
nor have good taste in women
nor be uncorruptable
(got to keep that RedHat stock valuable)
This was recorded in the morning
Fuck Systemd.
Fuck Lennart Poettering.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread* Re: (Song) Fk SystemD 2014-10-04 16:49 (Song) Fk SystemD Tom Collins @ 2014-10-04 17:40 ` Al Viro 2014-10-05 10:29 ` Gregory Smith [not found] ` <9c4839d12e9bc5251493034e66b550d2@neutralite.org> 1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Al Viro @ 2014-10-04 17:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Tom Collins; +Cc: linux-kernel, debian-user On Sat, Oct 04, 2014 at 06:49:30PM +0200, Tom Collins wrote: [snip masturbation] To quote Jordan Hubbard, Your brand of "advocacy" is akin to having the KKK show up at one's wedding to congradulate the happy couple on their choice of marrying within their race. Some kinds of "support" you just don't need if all it leaves you with the desire to take a couple of dozen showers. That was about a different dipshit in a different flamefest, but it applies to you nicely. Incidentally, as you obviously understand and don't give a fuck about, you are actively helping the Fine Piece Of Software in question, letting the pushers of said FPOS to paint everyone who has objections with your, er, output... Go play in the traffic, kid. Remember to arrange a video... ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: (Song) Fk SystemD 2014-10-04 17:40 ` Al Viro @ 2014-10-05 10:29 ` Gregory Smith 2014-10-05 10:54 ` Chuck Ebbert 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Gregory Smith @ 2014-10-05 10:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Al Viro; +Cc: Tom Collins, linux-kernel, debian-user Fuck you. This is what you systemd shitheads say to everything. It's either your way or the highway. On 10/4/14, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk> wrote: > On Sat, Oct 04, 2014 at 06:49:30PM +0200, Tom Collins wrote: > > [snip masturbation] > > To quote Jordan Hubbard, > > Your brand of "advocacy" is akin to having the KKK show up at one's > wedding to congradulate the happy couple on their choice of marrying > within their race. Some kinds of "support" you just don't need if > all it leaves you with the desire to take a couple of dozen showers. > > That was about a different dipshit in a different flamefest, but it applies > to you nicely. Incidentally, as you obviously understand and don't give > a fuck about, you are actively helping the Fine Piece Of Software in > question, > letting the pushers of said FPOS to paint everyone who has objections with > your, er, output... > > Go play in the traffic, kid. Remember to arrange a video... > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > listmaster@lists.debian.org > Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141004174018.GW7996@ZenIV.linux.org.uk > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: (Song) Fk SystemD 2014-10-05 10:29 ` Gregory Smith @ 2014-10-05 10:54 ` Chuck Ebbert 2014-10-05 12:40 ` Gregory Smith 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Chuck Ebbert @ 2014-10-05 10:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Gregory Smith; +Cc: Al Viro, Tom Collins, linux-kernel, debian-user On Sun, 5 Oct 2014 10:29:24 +0000 Gregory Smith <gregorysmith1974a@gmail.com> wrote: > Fuck you. > > This is what you systemd shitheads say to everything. > It's either your way or the highway. > Did you even *read* Al's reply? He's objecting to the tactics, not the underlying message that systemd is crap. Sheesh. > > On 10/4/14, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk> wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 04, 2014 at 06:49:30PM +0200, Tom Collins wrote: > > > > [snip masturbation] > > > > To quote Jordan Hubbard, > > > > Your brand of "advocacy" is akin to having the KKK show up at one's > > wedding to congradulate the happy couple on their choice of marrying > > within their race. Some kinds of "support" you just don't need if > > all it leaves you with the desire to take a couple of dozen showers. > > > > That was about a different dipshit in a different flamefest, but it applies > > to you nicely. Incidentally, as you obviously understand and don't give > > a fuck about, you are actively helping the Fine Piece Of Software in > > question, > > letting the pushers of said FPOS to paint everyone who has objections with > > your, er, output... > > > > Go play in the traffic, kid. Remember to arrange a video... > > > > > > -- > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST@lists.debian.org > > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > > listmaster@lists.debian.org > > Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141004174018.GW7996@ZenIV.linux.org.uk > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: (Song) Fk SystemD 2014-10-05 10:54 ` Chuck Ebbert @ 2014-10-05 12:40 ` Gregory Smith 2014-10-05 21:11 ` Gregory Smith 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Gregory Smith @ 2014-10-05 12:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Chuck Ebbert; +Cc: Al Viro, Tom Collins, linux-kernel, debian-user Dry logic is what the opponents of systemD have been using. Appeal to authority, appeal to emotion (new!) and circular reasoning plus the application of authority (Bans (Debian, Arch linux, Linux forums, etc)) are what the systemD proponents have been using. The proponents are winning, they even have linus on their side; Who in the past has weighed in on userspace issues such as KDE4, Gnome3, PulseAudio, etc.... now claims that he doesn't know ANNYTHING about userspace and is only a kernel hacker: when it comes to userspace he uses what he's given and is clueless (paraphrasing his claims Deb Conf '14) Clearly he is lying. He vouched for systemd, says he uses it, doesn't see any problem, says "the init wars are over, right" (lies again, systemd isn't only init. He knows that), says he doesn't know anything about userland anyway (another lie, comparing his earlier statements). The systemD proponents use every manner of persuasion and coersion. We are told to only use dry logic and not show ANY emotion or opinion. They take the hill, we are relegated to the ditch. Who's going to win? We are getting this thing shoved down our throats, and a little song against it is a problem? On 10/5/14, Chuck Ebbert <cebbert.lkml@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, 5 Oct 2014 10:29:24 +0000 > Gregory Smith <gregorysmith1974a@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Fuck you. >> >> This is what you systemd shitheads say to everything. >> It's either your way or the highway. >> > > Did you even *read* Al's reply? He's objecting to the tactics, not > the underlying message that systemd is crap. Sheesh. > >> >> On 10/4/14, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk> wrote: >> > On Sat, Oct 04, 2014 at 06:49:30PM +0200, Tom Collins wrote: >> > >> > [snip masturbation] >> > >> > To quote Jordan Hubbard, >> > >> > Your brand of "advocacy" is akin to having the KKK show up at one's >> > wedding to congradulate the happy couple on their choice of marrying >> > within their race. Some kinds of "support" you just don't need if >> > all it leaves you with the desire to take a couple of dozen showers. >> > >> > That was about a different dipshit in a different flamefest, but it >> > applies >> > to you nicely. Incidentally, as you obviously understand and don't >> > give >> > a fuck about, you are actively helping the Fine Piece Of Software in >> > question, >> > letting the pushers of said FPOS to paint everyone who has objections >> > with >> > your, er, output... >> > >> > Go play in the traffic, kid. Remember to arrange a video... >> > >> > >> > -- >> > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST@lists.debian.org >> > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact >> > listmaster@lists.debian.org >> > Archive: >> > https://lists.debian.org/20141004174018.GW7996@ZenIV.linux.org.uk >> > >> > >> -- >> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" >> in >> the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org >> More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html >> Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: (Song) Fk SystemD 2014-10-05 12:40 ` Gregory Smith @ 2014-10-05 21:11 ` Gregory Smith 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Gregory Smith @ 2014-10-05 21:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Chuck Ebbert; +Cc: Al Viro, Tom Collins, linux-kernel, debian-user It seems like the unix-like era of linux development is coming to a close. Those of us who prefer the unix ways should perhaps shelter them. Rambling Proposal pt 1 of 2. Unix-like Fork. "Indelible Linux/Crystalline Linux" youtu.be/N18rNxe3Z-o Rambling Proposal pt 2 of 2. Unix-like Fork. "Indelible Linux/Crystalline Linux" youtu.be/TG1uqwNzlnk ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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* Re: (Song) Fk SystemD [not found] ` <061c07c6a45a9534cf6cfcc4e80fa245@neutralite.org> @ 2014-10-06 16:30 ` Gregory Smith 2014-10-07 15:33 ` berenger.morel 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Gregory Smith @ 2014-10-06 16:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: berenger.morel, linux-kernel; +Cc: debian-user "No software is finished" This we fundamentally disagree on. You are incorrect. On 10/6/14, berenger.morel@neutralite.org <berenger.morel@neutralite.org> wrote: > Le 06.10.2014 13:17, Gregory Smith a écrit : >> What is needed is inaction, > > Huh.... I'm not a systemd lover, you know, but what you just wrote is > weird! > Seriously, I have so many problems at work because people never even > tries to make code more readable, more secured, because "inaction is > better". Systemd is excessive, yes. But inaction is never a good thing, > no software is finished. There is always a way to enhance it, or to do > things in a better way. Systemd tried, and convinced a lot of people > (not me), so it was adopted by almost all distros, despite the problems > it have. > >> what there was before systemd was fine. >> Acting is the problem. > > Then, why not forking whatever was fine for you, and stop annoying > people? Stop infringing the rules of this mailing list (because, I > really doubt that insulting people is allowed)? > You are enough systemd haters around to be able to maintain sysvinit, I > don't doubt it. But, of course, it's easier to whine on a user list, > annoying everyone which do not share your exact point of view, than > acting yourself. > With all mails on systemd's war, I am sure that there was enough time > to do that, if people had actually acted. > > Oh... and, there *are* some people which acts. I do not like the > systemd's direction, but I do think one of it's features is nice (the > unit system). And I have discovered (maybe with a mail on this list? Or > random searches? Not sure) that some people do act: there is uselessd, > which is an alternative which removes lot of "features" of systemd, to > go back to non-bloated software. There is also eudev, by gentoo, > destined to replace udev. The same distro which produces openrc IIRC. > > See? There *are* alternatives (yes, I have seen some mails saying in > title that there are no alternatives. I don't mind, I know it's wrong, > because gentoo does not use systemd). So, stop whining, move! And if you > want to stay on pure debian, I don't doubt people will be interested if > someone packages those projects into Debian. > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: (Song) Fk SystemD 2014-10-06 16:30 ` Gregory Smith @ 2014-10-07 15:33 ` berenger.morel 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: berenger.morel @ 2014-10-07 15:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux-kernel, debian-user Le 06.10.2014 18:30, Gregory Smith a écrit : > "No software is finished" > > This we fundamentally disagree on. > You are incorrect. So, give me any software that you are sure it does not contain any bug. Oh, and, "int main(){ return 0; }" is not a correct reply. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* (Song) Fk SystemD @ 2014-11-17 2:08 SystemD Abomination 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: SystemD Abomination @ 2014-11-17 2:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux-kernel http://youtu.be/JbRztcLaQa8 Fuck Systemd. It is passionless static, worthless. Only here to force us in a direction. And Linus Trovalds agrees 100% with that direction. But he never claimed to be brilliant nor have good taste in women nor be uncorruptable (got to keep that RedHat stock valuable) This was recorded in the morning abit ago. Fuck Systemd. Fuck Lennart Poettering. PS: Fuck You Erich Schubert, you lying male feminist son of a bitch. (And systemd fanboi in Debian) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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