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From: David Herrmann <dh.herrmann@gmail.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: "linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>, Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Lennart Poettering <lennart@poettering.net>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	Kay Sievers <kay@vrfy.org>, John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Daniel Mack <zonque@gmail.com>, Ryan Lortie <desrt@desrt.ca>,
	Linux FS Devel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Tony Battersby <tonyb@cybernetics.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/7] File Sealing & memfd_create()
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 18:36:55 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CANq1E4QdGz6cRm2Y-vMQHV1O=VK74XNP8qCAmiAskVaVKpJuxg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrVpZ0vFM4usHK+tQhk234Y2jWzB1522kGcGvdQQFAqsZQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote:
> Can you summarize why holes can't be reliably backed by the zero page?

To answer this, I will quote Hugh from "PATCH v2 1/3":

> We do already use the ZERO_PAGE instead of allocating when it's a
> simple read; and on the face of it, we could extend that to mmap
> once the file is sealed.  But I am rather afraid to do so - for
> many years there was an mmap /dev/zero case which did that, but
> it was an easily forgotten case which caught us out at least
> once, so I'm reluctant to reintroduce it now for sealing.
>
> Anyway, I don't expect you to resolve the issue of sealed holes:
> that's very much my territory, to give you support on.

Holes can be avoided with a simple fallocate(). I don't understand why
I should make SEAL_WRITE do the fallocate for the caller. During the
discussion of memfd_create() I was told to drop the "size" parameter,
because it is redundant. I don't see how this implicit fallocate()
does not fall into the same category?

Thanks
David

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-06-17 16:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-06-13 10:36 [PATCH v3 0/7] File Sealing & memfd_create() David Herrmann
2014-06-13 10:36 ` [PATCH v3 1/7] mm: allow drivers to prevent new writable mappings David Herrmann
2014-07-09  8:55   ` Hugh Dickins
2014-07-19 16:12     ` David Herrmann
2014-06-13 10:36 ` [PATCH v3 2/7] shm: add sealing API David Herrmann
2014-07-16 10:06   ` Hugh Dickins
2014-07-19 16:17     ` David Herrmann
2014-06-13 10:36 ` [PATCH v3 3/7] shm: add memfd_create() syscall David Herrmann
2014-06-13 12:27   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-06-13 12:41     ` David Herrmann
2014-06-13 14:20       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-06-13 16:20         ` John Stultz
2014-06-16  4:12           ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-07-08 18:39         ` David Herrmann
2014-06-15 10:50   ` Jann Horn
2014-07-16 10:07   ` Hugh Dickins
2014-07-19 16:29     ` David Herrmann
2014-06-13 10:36 ` [PATCH v3 4/7] selftests: add memfd_create() + sealing tests David Herrmann
2014-07-16 10:07   ` Hugh Dickins
2014-07-19 16:31     ` David Herrmann
2014-06-13 10:36 ` [PATCH v3 5/7] selftests: add memfd/sealing page-pinning tests David Herrmann
2014-07-16 10:08   ` Hugh Dickins
2014-07-19 16:32     ` David Herrmann
2014-06-13 10:36 ` [RFC v3 6/7] shm: wait for pins to be released when sealing David Herrmann
2014-07-16 10:09   ` Hugh Dickins
2014-07-19 16:36     ` David Herrmann
2014-06-13 10:36 ` [RFC v3 7/7] shm: isolate pinned pages when sealing files David Herrmann
2014-06-13 15:06   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-06-13 15:27     ` David Herrmann
2014-06-13 17:23       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-07-09  8:57   ` Hugh Dickins
2014-07-19 16:40     ` David Herrmann
2014-06-13 15:10 ` [PATCH v3 0/7] File Sealing & memfd_create() Andy Lutomirski
2014-06-13 15:15   ` David Herrmann
2014-06-13 15:17     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-06-13 15:33       ` David Herrmann
2014-06-17  9:54         ` Florian Weimer
2014-06-17 10:01           ` David Herrmann
2014-06-17 10:04             ` Florian Weimer
2014-06-17 10:10               ` David Herrmann
2014-06-17 12:13                 ` Florian Weimer
2014-06-17 13:26                   ` David Herrmann
     [not found]             ` <CALCETrVpZ0vFM4usHK+tQhk234Y2jWzB1522kGcGvdQQFAqsZQ@mail.gmail.com>
2014-06-17 16:36               ` David Herrmann [this message]
2014-06-17 16:41                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-06-17 16:51                   ` David Herrmann
2014-06-17 17:01                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-06-17 20:31                       ` Hugh Dickins
2014-06-17 21:25                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-07-08 16:54 ` David Herrmann
2014-07-09  8:53   ` Hugh Dickins

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