From: Daniel Phillips <phillips@arcor.de>
To: Daniel Jacobowitz <dan@debian.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>,
Matthew Dharm <mdharm-kernel@one-eyed-alien.net>,
Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
linux-usb-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [linux-usb-devel] Re: [BK PATCH] USB changes for 2.5.34
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:48:51 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E17qfNz-00008n-00@starship> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020915193223.GA22800@nevyn.them.org>
On Sunday 15 September 2002 21:32, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 15, 2002 at 12:26:02PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 15 Sep 2002, Daniel Phillips wrote:
> > >
> > > I use UML all the time. It's great, but it doesn't work for SMP debugging.
> >
> > That should not be something fundamental, though. It should be perfectly
> > doable with threading. "SMOP".
>
> I run into problems fairly often that I can't reproduce in UML - timing
> sensitive, hardware sensitive, etc. Some of them KGDB perturbs too
> much to be useful, but most of the time I can get it to work. UML also
> doesn't use a lot of the code under arch/i386/ (or didn't at least)
> which makes debugging that code under UML a bit futile.
True, however, it's really amazing what a wide range of kernel problems
UML does faithfully reproduce. It is, after all, just another port. You
could make the same argument about MIPS distorting timings vis a vis i386.
> > Yeah, and gdb (not to mention all the grapical nice stuff) sucks in a
> > threaded environment. At least it used to.
>
> Well, yeah. It's getting a little bit better - a lot better for some
> cases - but no one's really sure where it needs to go to keep
> improving. I'm making a little progress.
Oh, and there is another big suckage in UML in the area of modules, you
have to load the symbols by hand, which is just enough pain to make it
not worth compiling things as modules in UML. Jeff has reasons why its
hard to get gdb to load the module symbols automatically, but hopefully,
that is another problem we can dig into now that UML is officially part
of the tree.
--
Daniel
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-09-15 19:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-09-09 22:17 [BK PATCH] USB changes for 2.5.34 Greg KH
2002-09-10 0:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-10 0:19 ` Greg KH
2002-09-10 0:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-10 0:40 ` [linux-usb-devel] " Alan Cox
2002-09-10 1:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-10 1:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-10 10:23 ` Andries Brouwer
2002-09-10 0:35 ` Nicholas Miell
2002-09-10 1:01 ` [patch] dump_stack(): arch-neutral stack trace Andrew Morton
2002-09-15 4:34 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-15 4:51 ` Andrew Morton
2002-09-10 1:27 ` [BK PATCH] USB changes for 2.5.34 Linus Torvalds
2002-09-10 2:07 ` Matthew Dharm
2002-09-10 2:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-10 2:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-10 16:32 ` [linux-usb-devel] " David Brownell
2002-09-10 16:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-10 17:16 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-09-10 18:16 ` David S. Miller
2002-09-10 18:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-10 18:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-09-10 19:31 ` David S. Miller
2002-09-10 19:32 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-09-10 19:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-10 19:43 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-09-10 21:52 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-09-10 22:02 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-09-10 18:44 ` Alan Cox
2002-09-10 19:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-10 19:27 ` Rik van Riel
2002-09-10 20:18 ` Alan Cox
2002-09-10 22:00 ` David Woodhouse
2002-09-10 22:23 ` Alan Cox
2002-09-10 22:26 ` David Woodhouse
2002-09-10 23:01 ` Alan Cox
2002-09-10 19:29 ` David S. Miller
2002-09-15 5:10 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-15 5:33 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-09-15 16:41 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16 0:32 ` Horst von Brand
2002-09-15 6:07 ` Pete Zaitcev
2002-09-15 7:00 ` Andrew Morton
2002-09-15 14:53 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-15 18:23 ` Pete Zaitcev
2002-09-15 18:34 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-09-16 0:55 ` Larry McVoy
2002-09-15 20:05 ` David Woodhouse
2002-09-15 21:35 ` Rob Landley
2002-09-16 3:00 ` Larry McVoy
2002-09-16 3:08 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16 11:16 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-09-16 18:35 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-09-16 18:45 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16 19:36 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-09-16 19:40 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16 8:50 ` Ian Molton
2002-09-16 9:37 ` Rob Landley
2002-09-15 18:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-15 18:36 ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-15 19:04 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-09-15 19:43 ` Andrew Morton
2002-09-15 19:43 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-15 23:24 ` Larry McVoy
2002-09-15 23:41 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-09-15 23:52 ` Larry McVoy
2002-09-16 0:01 ` Robert Love
2002-09-16 1:29 ` Alan Cox
2002-09-16 2:13 ` Larry McVoy
2002-09-16 11:05 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-09-16 14:05 ` Rogier Wolff
2002-09-16 16:24 ` Marco Colombo
2002-09-16 0:44 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16 1:23 ` Alan Cox
2002-09-15 19:07 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16 9:06 ` Jens Axboe
2002-09-16 15:15 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16 15:59 ` kernel debuggers was [Re: [linux-usb-devel] Re: [BK PATCH] USB changes for 2.5.34] Soewono Effendi
2002-09-16 14:14 ` [linux-usb-devel] Re: [BK PATCH] USB changes for 2.5.34 David Woodhouse
2002-09-16 14:53 ` Jens Axboe
2002-09-15 19:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-15 19:10 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-15 19:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-15 19:32 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-09-15 19:48 ` Daniel Phillips [this message]
2002-09-16 4:59 ` Jeff Dike
2002-09-16 4:05 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16 4:55 ` Jeff Dike
2002-09-15 19:35 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16 4:51 ` Jeff Dike
2002-09-16 15:29 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-09-18 0:33 ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-18 0:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-09-18 0:50 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-18 1:16 ` Rik van Riel
2002-09-15 13:54 ` Rogier Wolff
2002-09-15 5:01 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-10 16:46 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-09-10 16:56 ` Vojtech Pavlik
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