From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: mark@mark.mielke.cc
Cc: billh@gnuppy.monkey.org, paul@clubi.ie, riel@conectiva.com.br,
Hell.Surfers@cwctv.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Why is Nvidia given GPL'd code to use in non-free drivers?
Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 18:44:38 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E18Uxy2-00047M-00@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030104011926.GB4472@mark.mielke.cc> (message from Mark Mielke on Fri, 3 Jan 2003 20:19:27 -0500)
I have the freedom to use Linux and ClearCase. If closed source modules
were to be disallowed, it would be illegal for me to use this configuration,
and I would be forced to use HP-UX or Solaris, and not Linux.
You can't have freedom while using ClearCase, because it is non-free
software. What we really need is a free replacement for it. Will
people write one? Our main influence on whether people do this is by
what we say. A strong Free Software Movement will inspire more people
to reject non-free software and write free replacements.
Allowing non-free modules (whether they are open-source or not)
weakens the impetus for people to make free extensions to Linux. The
general attitude Linux developers take towards non-free software also
weakens it. Your own message, citing this gap in Linux, will tend to
discourage people from working to close the gap.
All else being equal, I'm glad that you use a variant of the GNU
system, but what system you use is not really important except to you.
If you used HP-UX or Solaris, it would be your loss, not our
community's loss. Spurring the broader development of free software
should be higher priority than keeping you as a user.
I'm saying that if you truly have a just cause, you don't need a hammer
or a sickle to force people to see things your way. Intelligent people
will have no choice but to follow your lead.
Since our views have little in common with Communism, it is remarkable
that our enemies sometimes call us Communists. Perhaps they do this
because it is easier to attack Communism than confront our real views.
It is the system of non-free software that resembles Stalinism. For
more about this, see http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/why-free.html.
Visionaries should have faith in their own vision.
Real visionaries know that just having a vision does not change
society. Sustained effort is necessary.
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2002-12-31 3:57 Why is Nvidia given GPL'd code to use in closed source drivers? Hell.Surfers
2002-12-31 6:55 ` David Schwartz
2002-12-31 10:51 ` Andrew Walrond
2002-12-31 12:05 ` Xavier Bestel
2002-12-31 12:19 ` John Bradford
2002-12-31 14:22 ` Jochen Friedrich
2002-12-31 14:31 ` John Bradford
2003-01-01 19:28 ` Måns Rullgård
2002-12-31 14:14 ` Andrew Walrond
2002-12-31 12:41 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-12-31 13:49 ` Mark Rutherford
2002-12-31 15:26 ` Paul Jakma
2002-12-31 15:36 ` Mark Rutherford
2002-12-31 15:44 ` Paul Jakma
2002-12-31 17:05 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-01-01 19:35 ` Måns Rullgård
2002-12-31 15:11 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2002-12-31 22:36 ` David Schwartz
2003-01-01 16:45 ` Rik van Riel
2003-01-02 0:31 ` Paul Jakma
2003-01-02 1:08 ` David Lang
2003-01-02 1:29 ` Paul Jakma
2003-01-02 1:21 ` David Lang
2003-01-02 1:38 ` Paul Jakma
2003-01-02 1:37 ` Bill Huey
2003-01-02 2:57 ` Paul Jakma
2003-01-02 5:58 ` Bill Huey
2003-01-02 6:14 ` Mark Mielke
2003-01-03 3:32 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-03 4:06 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-03 5:00 ` Erik Andersen
2003-01-03 5:15 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-03 8:31 ` David S. Miller
2003-01-03 5:04 ` Marco Monteiro
2003-01-03 5:12 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-03 12:16 ` Marco Monteiro
2003-01-03 12:51 ` Andrew Walrond
2003-01-03 13:42 ` Helge Hafting
2003-01-03 14:46 ` John Alvord
2003-01-03 14:48 ` Andrew Walrond
2003-01-03 16:13 ` Erik Andersen
2003-01-03 16:58 ` David Schwartz
2003-01-05 14:04 ` Graham Murray
2003-01-05 22:37 ` Mark Mielke
2003-01-06 1:43 ` Ian Molton
2003-01-06 5:26 ` Mark Mielke
2003-01-06 10:44 ` Helge Hafting
2003-01-06 16:06 ` Mark Mielke
[not found] ` <3E195A4B.B160B1D2@aitel.hist.no>
2003-01-06 11:23 ` Andrew Walrond
2003-01-07 9:08 ` Helge Hafting
2003-01-07 15:15 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-01-08 10:06 ` Helge Hafting
2003-01-08 12:28 ` Mark Hounschell
2003-01-08 15:33 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-01-08 15:46 ` Mark Hounschell
2003-01-08 15:46 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-01-08 16:00 ` Mark Hounschell
2003-01-03 19:33 ` Mark Mielke
2003-01-06 10:31 ` Helge Hafting
2003-01-03 14:49 ` Paul Jakma
2003-01-03 16:16 ` Marco Monteiro
2003-01-03 17:45 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-03 17:53 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-03 18:03 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-03 18:29 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-04 1:33 ` David Schwartz
2003-01-03 21:19 ` Marco Monteiro
2003-01-03 21:37 ` Disconnect
2003-01-03 23:44 ` Marco Monteiro
2003-01-03 21:52 ` jw schultz
2003-01-04 15:41 ` Rik van Riel
2003-01-04 13:53 ` Daniel Egger
2003-01-03 16:16 ` David Schwartz
2003-01-03 16:37 ` Marco Monteiro
2003-01-03 18:38 ` Jon Portnoy
2003-01-03 19:02 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-03 19:10 ` Ben Greear
2003-01-03 20:21 ` Andrew Walrond
2003-01-04 1:51 ` Alan Cox
2003-01-04 1:24 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-01-04 5:28 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-01-04 8:06 ` Jon Portnoy
2003-01-04 8:21 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-03 6:04 ` Mike Galbraith
2003-01-03 6:29 ` Brad Hards
2003-01-03 7:04 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-03 18:31 ` Bob Taylor
2003-01-04 1:34 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-04 18:16 ` Rik van Riel
2003-01-03 15:57 ` Randy.Dunlap
2003-01-03 19:44 ` Mark Mielke
2003-01-03 20:30 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-03 20:39 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-04 23:44 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-03 22:17 ` Rik van Riel
2003-01-04 23:44 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-04 6:55 ` Bob Taylor
2003-01-04 9:06 ` Vincent Bernat
2003-01-04 21:04 ` Alan Cox
2003-01-05 18:39 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-01-04 22:06 ` Matthias Andree
2003-01-04 22:23 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-04 23:10 ` Steven Barnhart
2003-01-05 0:00 ` Chief Gadgeteer
2003-01-05 0:26 ` David Schwartz
2003-01-05 1:48 ` Chief Gadgeteer
2003-01-05 10:14 ` Tomas Szepe
2003-01-05 20:40 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-01-05 21:35 ` Alan Cox
2003-01-05 22:18 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-01-05 22:58 ` Tomas Szepe
2003-01-05 21:53 ` Bruce Harada
2003-01-06 21:05 ` Ranjeet Shetye
2003-01-06 22:06 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-01-05 18:34 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-05 19:28 ` Vlad@Vlad.geekizoid.com
2003-01-05 22:13 ` Mark Mielke
2003-01-06 17:13 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-06 17:29 ` RIZEN
2003-01-07 13:39 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-06 17:31 ` Paulo Andre'
2003-01-06 17:39 ` Bill Huey
2003-01-07 13:40 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-07 14:17 ` Bill Huey
2003-01-08 8:00 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-08 15:26 ` yodaiken
2003-01-09 23:13 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-09 23:40 ` David D. Hagood
2003-01-10 0:02 ` yodaiken
2003-01-11 0:21 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-08 18:10 ` Ranjeet Shetye
2003-01-08 8:00 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-08 9:04 ` OT Naming. was: " Nils Petter Vaskinn
2003-01-08 11:23 ` Hacksaw
2003-01-08 12:09 ` Måns Rullgård
2003-01-09 9:08 ` Hacksaw
2003-01-12 11:56 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-12 18:27 ` OT Naming. was: Re: Why is Nvidia given GPL'd code to use in closedsource drivers? Michael D. Shannon
2003-01-08 11:53 ` Why is Nvidia given GPL'd code to use in closed source drivers? Bill Huey
2003-01-09 23:13 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-09 23:19 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-11 0:21 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-10 0:12 ` Vlad@Vlad.geekizoid.com
2003-01-10 10:51 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-01-10 15:36 ` Linux KERNEL mailinglist! Jan Harkes
2003-01-10 16:10 ` Why is Nvidia given GPL'd code to use in closed source drivers? Jeff Randall
2003-01-12 11:54 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-12 18:58 ` Jeff Randall
2003-01-14 5:47 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-14 5:47 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-14 19:37 ` Mark Mielke
2003-01-14 11:23 ` Ranjeet Shetye
2003-01-07 15:10 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-01-03 4:38 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-03 20:31 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-03 21:35 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-01-04 23:45 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-04 23:58 ` Mark Rutherford
2003-01-06 3:25 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-06 4:55 ` Philip Wyett
2003-01-03 23:01 ` Gauntlet Set NOW! Andre Hedrick
2003-01-03 23:56 ` Andrew McGregor
2003-01-04 7:12 ` Ryan Anderson
2003-01-04 9:14 ` Andrew McGregor
2003-01-04 9:45 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-04 10:01 ` Andrew McGregor
2003-01-04 19:31 ` Matan Ziv-Av
2003-01-04 19:43 ` Andrew McGregor
2003-01-06 10:56 ` Helge Hafting
2003-01-04 23:44 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-05 1:22 ` Rik van Riel
2003-01-05 5:33 ` Milosz Tanski
2003-01-05 5:12 ` Andrew McGregor
2003-01-05 5:31 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-05 10:47 ` Andrew McGregor
2003-01-05 15:29 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-09 7:28 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-09 7:41 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-09 7:50 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-01-09 8:08 ` Andrew Morton
2003-01-09 8:57 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2003-01-09 23:06 ` Oliver Xymoron
2003-01-03 7:51 ` Why is Nvidia given GPL'd code to use in closed source drivers? Mark Mielke
2003-01-03 20:30 ` Why is Nvidia given GPL'd code to use in non-free drivers? Richard Stallman
2003-01-03 21:26 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-03 21:27 ` Dimitrie O. Paun
2003-01-05 21:24 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-01-05 22:08 ` Eric Ortega
2003-01-05 22:34 ` Ian Molton
2003-01-05 23:09 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-01-04 0:55 ` Shane R. Stixrud
2003-01-04 2:22 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-04 3:18 ` Shane R. Stixrud
2003-01-04 3:18 ` Matthew D. Pitts
2003-01-04 6:00 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-01-04 7:34 ` Mark Mielke
2003-01-04 7:45 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-04 8:36 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-01-04 8:52 ` Shane R. Stixrud
2003-01-04 9:16 ` Mark Mielke
2003-01-04 21:47 ` Roman Zippel
2003-01-05 11:15 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-01-04 1:19 ` Mark Mielke
2003-01-04 23:44 ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2003-01-05 1:32 ` Mark Mielke
2003-01-06 3:25 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-06 3:25 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-05 2:22 ` venom
2003-01-05 9:38 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-01-05 21:33 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-01-05 22:10 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-05 22:22 ` Mark Mielke
2003-01-04 3:10 ` David Schwartz
2003-01-04 23:44 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-05 0:17 ` David Schwartz
2003-01-05 4:39 ` Wolfgang Walter
2003-01-05 5:35 ` David Schwartz
2003-01-06 16:24 ` Wolfgang Walter
2003-01-06 22:04 ` David Schwartz
2003-01-07 0:08 ` Steven Barnhart
2003-01-07 15:53 ` Georg Nikodym
2003-01-07 18:05 ` Mike Galbraith
2003-01-05 21:46 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-01-05 22:06 ` David Schwartz
2003-01-05 21:17 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-01-05 22:44 ` Alan Cox
2003-01-05 22:45 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-01-05 23:03 ` Xavier Bestel
2003-01-05 23:40 ` Alan Cox
2003-01-03 10:39 ` Why is Nvidia given GPL'd code to use in closed source drivers? Rik van Riel
2003-01-03 11:29 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-01-03 11:33 ` ZHAO Wei
2003-01-03 14:52 ` Paul Jakma
2003-01-03 15:03 ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-01-03 20:30 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-03 22:27 ` Rik van Riel
2003-01-02 6:12 ` Erik Andersen
2003-01-02 6:26 ` Bill Huey
2003-01-02 8:51 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-01-02 1:57 ` Alan Cox
2003-01-02 1:32 ` Paul Jakma
2003-01-02 20:39 ` David Schwartz
[not found] <fa.ff58bdv.193ou06@ifi.uio.no>
[not found] ` <fa.glgbuvv.1m1g1he@ifi.uio.no>
2003-01-05 21:46 ` Why is Nvidia given GPL'd code to use in non-free drivers? walt
2003-01-07 22:30 ` Adrian Bunk
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