* RE: What's in a name? [not found] <0b9ad5923170a13DTVMAIL1@smtp.cwctv.net> @ 2003-01-10 18:36 ` Richard B. Johnson 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Richard B. Johnson @ 2003-01-10 18:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Hell.Surfers; +Cc: vlad, jalvo, linux-kernel, rms On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 Hell.Surfers@cwctv.net wrote: > what early distribution? grep gpl and lgpl... > > -- DM. > Yggdrasl (or however you spell it). Most binary files have the date of Feb 26, 1996. Many text files have the date of July 11, 1995. I have sources, many with the dates of Aug 31, 1992: -rw-r--r-- 1 root bin 4502 Aug 31 1992 CHANGES -rw-r--r-- 1 root bin 1658 Aug 31 1992 README -rw-r--r-- 1 root bin 2029 Aug 31 1992 brac.c -rw-r--r-- 1 root bin 11258 Aug 31 1992 ch.c -rw-r--r-- 1 root bin 3534 Aug 31 1992 charset.c [SNIPPED...] In those days very few persons even heard of GPL. These are the only gpl or GPL strings found in any binaries. sub showGPL { last if (/^{END OF GPL COPYRIGHT}$/) ; last if (/^{END OF GPL CONDITIONS}$/) ; &showGPL unless $QUIET ; {END OF GPL COPYRIGHT} {END OF GPL CONDITIONS} To appear in SIGPLAN Conference on Programming Language Design label .about.gpl3 -text "Pulic License (GPL)" Note that "Public" is even spelled incorrectly! Cheers, Dick Johnson Penguin : Linux version 2.4.18 on an i686 machine (797.90 BogoMips). Why is the government concerned about the lunatic fringe? Think about it. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: What's in a name? @ 2003-01-11 3:31 Clayton Weaver 2003-01-11 19:53 ` Mark Mielke 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Clayton Weaver @ 2003-01-11 3:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux-kernel The whole thing has depended on gcc from day one, so I see no valid objection to prominently give GNU credit for providing a decent compiler and thus saving Linus the work of inventing that before he started on his kernel. But most users simply don't care what it is called, they only care whether it works. I would guess that the name that gets used the most informally is "Linux", simply because that is shorter to type in email or Usenet messages than any of the alternatives presented in this discussion. "Linux" is thus the de facto standard name of the system, regardless of who invented what parts of it and who distributes it. (It's kind of like a beer label. It could be any brand in the world, but it's still just "beer" if you're in a hurry.) Regards, Clayton Weaver <mailto: cgweav@email.com> -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Meet Singles http://corp.mail.com/lavalife ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: What's in a name? 2003-01-11 3:31 Clayton Weaver @ 2003-01-11 19:53 ` Mark Mielke 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Mark Mielke @ 2003-01-11 19:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Clayton Weaver; +Cc: linux-kernel On Fri, Jan 10, 2003 at 10:31:04PM -0500, Clayton Weaver wrote: > The whole thing has depended on gcc from day one, > so I see no valid objection to prominently give GNU > credit for providing a decent compiler and thus saving > Linus the work of inventing that before he started on > his kernel. Actually, Linux depended on Linus Torvalds from day one, making Linux a *very* apt name, if the argument is that credit should be attributed to the primary contributory to Linux's success... The GCC license says that it can be used to compile pretty much anything anybody wants to. Richard Stallman gave up the right to claim credit for projects that happen to use GCC, the instance he wrote the GPL, and the LGPL. mark -- mark@mielke.cc/markm@ncf.ca/markm@nortelnetworks.com __________________________ . . _ ._ . . .__ . . ._. .__ . . . .__ | Neighbourhood Coder |\/| |_| |_| |/ |_ |\/| | |_ | |/ |_ | | | | | | \ | \ |__ . | | .|. |__ |__ | \ |__ | Ottawa, Ontario, Canada One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, one ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them... http://mark.mielke.cc/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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* RE: What's in a name? [not found] <0d1395823170a13DTVMAIL8@smtp.cwctv.net> @ 2003-01-10 18:42 ` Richard B. Johnson 2003-01-10 18:57 ` Valdis.Kletnieks 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Richard B. Johnson @ 2003-01-10 18:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Hell.Surfers; +Cc: vlad, jalvo, linux-kernel, rms On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 Hell.Surfers@cwctv.net wrote: > what was it compiled with ;-))) > > -- DM. > No doubt a gcc compiler. I built my house with a Stanley hammer and a Skill saw. Neither Stanley nor Skill own the house (the bank does). There is no tradition of attributing ownership of any works of any kind to tool makers. Cheers, Dick Johnson Penguin : Linux version 2.4.18 on an i686 machine (797.90 BogoMips). Why is the government concerned about the lunatic fringe? Think about it. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: What's in a name? 2003-01-10 18:42 ` Richard B. Johnson @ 2003-01-10 18:57 ` Valdis.Kletnieks 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Valdis.Kletnieks @ 2003-01-10 18:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: root; +Cc: linux-kernel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 664 bytes --] On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 13:42:52 EST, "Richard B. Johnson" said: > No doubt a gcc compiler. I built my house with a Stanley hammer > and a Skill saw. Neither Stanley nor Skill own the house (the > bank does). Actually, *YOU* probably own the house. What the bank has is a mortgage - a promise by you that if you don't pay them, they *then* get to own the house. Most banks try VERY hard to avoid actually owning houses. This is actually somewhat germane, as it reflects back on the "GPL the source after N units have been sold" business model, and code escrow, and related thigns... -- Valdis Kletnieks Computer Systems Senior Engineer Virginia Tech [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 226 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Nvidia and its choice to read the GPL "differently"
@ 2003-01-09 8:57 John Alvord
2003-01-09 15:18 ` What's in a name? Vlad@Vlad.geekizoid.com
0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: John Alvord @ 2003-01-09 8:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: vlad; +Cc: rms, linux-kernel
Try to imagine the last 12 years of Linux without
gcc
binutils
unix programs such as ls, cp, rm, etc
I personally believe the current state of the Linux kernel would have
been impossible to achieve (at this time) without the above tools.
The Linux kernel development has stood on the shoulders of the GNU
effort the whole time.
Whether the result should be labeled as GNU/Linux is semantics - what
is the meaning of "operating system". And it is redundant... after
all there is no Linux without GNU, so why force unnecessary
information on terms. If there was an ATT/Linux and an Intel/Linux,
having a GNU/Linux would make some sense... but that is not the way it
is. GNU/Linux is singular, so Linux makes a reasonable contraction.
Distributor marketting wants a neat snapy name that is easy to
remember. Linux is close enough to unix to merge meanings a bit.
People who read about Linus Torvalds get the Linus/Linux play on
words.
Another puzzling aspect to me is that GNU really goes beyond what I
think of as an operating system. I have a suite of GNU tools installed
on a Windows NT machine and I use make, ls, cp, mv all day. So I am
using GNU on a foreign operating system... or does my usage needs to
be labeled as GNU/Windows NT?
john alvord
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003 20:26:09 -0600, "Vlad@Vlad.geekizoid.com"
<vlad@vlad.geekizoid.com> wrote:
>Do you actually buy your own bullshit here? If so, that's sad. I used to
>respect you. I'd like to see you put your money where your mouth is - PROVE
>that GNU (not just people who have release GPL'd software) contributed most
>of the work to say Slackware, or Debian, or Red Hat.
>
>Face it - you're full of it. You're not fooling anyone either.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org
>[mailto:linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org]On Behalf Of Richard Stallman
>Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 2:00 AM
>To: lm@bitmover.com
>Cc: lm@bitmover.com; acahalan@cs.uml.edu; linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
>Subject: Re: Nvidia and its choice to read the GPL "differently"
>
>
> Great. So not only is there no legal need to cite GNU in the Linux
> name, there is no ethical obligation either.
>
>When you take part of my statement, stretch it, interpret it based on
>assumptions you know I disagree with, and present the result as
>something I said, that doesn't prove anything. It is childish.
>
>There is no ethical obligation to mention secondary contributions
>incorporated in a large project. There ethical obligation is to cite
>the main developer. In the GNU/Linux system, the GNU Project is the
>principal contributor; the system is more GNU than anything else,
>and we started it.
>
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread* What's in a name? 2003-01-09 8:57 Nvidia and its choice to read the GPL "differently" John Alvord @ 2003-01-09 15:18 ` Vlad@Vlad.geekizoid.com 2003-01-09 16:11 ` Richard B. Johnson 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Vlad@Vlad.geekizoid.com @ 2003-01-09 15:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'John Alvord'; +Cc: linux-kernel, rms And in that same period, look at Linux, and then look at Hurd. Hurd even has the advantage of using giant chunks of Linux code, but it still is basically useless. Why should Linux be refered to as GNU/Linux because of tools, and yet Hurd doesn't give credit where credit is due? RMS has done more to hurt GNU with his current stance on the matter than Microsoft ever could. He's getting annoying, too. Regards, Scott -----Original Message----- From: John Alvord [mailto:jalvo@mbay.net] Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 2:58 AM To: vlad@geekizoid.com Cc: rms@gnu.org; linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Nvidia and its choice to read the GPL "differently" Try to imagine the last 12 years of Linux without gcc binutils unix programs such as ls, cp, rm, etc I personally believe the current state of the Linux kernel would have been impossible to achieve (at this time) without the above tools. The Linux kernel development has stood on the shoulders of the GNU effort the whole time. Whether the result should be labeled as GNU/Linux is semantics - what is the meaning of "operating system". And it is redundant... after all there is no Linux without GNU, so why force unnecessary information on terms. If there was an ATT/Linux and an Intel/Linux, having a GNU/Linux would make some sense... but that is not the way it is. GNU/Linux is singular, so Linux makes a reasonable contraction. Distributor marketting wants a neat snapy name that is easy to remember. Linux is close enough to unix to merge meanings a bit. People who read about Linus Torvalds get the Linus/Linux play on words. Another puzzling aspect to me is that GNU really goes beyond what I think of as an operating system. I have a suite of GNU tools installed on a Windows NT machine and I use make, ls, cp, mv all day. So I am using GNU on a foreign operating system... or does my usage needs to be labeled as GNU/Windows NT? john alvord On Wed, 8 Jan 2003 20:26:09 -0600, "Vlad@Vlad.geekizoid.com" <vlad@vlad.geekizoid.com> wrote: >Do you actually buy your own bullshit here? If so, that's sad. I used to >respect you. I'd like to see you put your money where your mouth is - PROVE >that GNU (not just people who have release GPL'd software) contributed most >of the work to say Slackware, or Debian, or Red Hat. > >Face it - you're full of it. You're not fooling anyone either. > >-----Original Message----- >From: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org >[mailto:linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org]On Behalf Of Richard Stallman >Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 2:00 AM >To: lm@bitmover.com >Cc: lm@bitmover.com; acahalan@cs.uml.edu; linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org >Subject: Re: Nvidia and its choice to read the GPL "differently" > > > Great. So not only is there no legal need to cite GNU in the Linux > name, there is no ethical obligation either. > >When you take part of my statement, stretch it, interpret it based on >assumptions you know I disagree with, and present the result as >something I said, that doesn't prove anything. It is childish. > >There is no ethical obligation to mention secondary contributions >incorporated in a large project. There ethical obligation is to cite >the main developer. In the GNU/Linux system, the GNU Project is the >principal contributor; the system is more GNU than anything else, >and we started it. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: What's in a name? 2003-01-09 15:18 ` What's in a name? Vlad@Vlad.geekizoid.com @ 2003-01-09 16:11 ` Richard B. Johnson 2003-01-09 16:51 ` venom 2003-01-09 17:48 ` Jesse Pollard 0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Richard B. Johnson @ 2003-01-09 16:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: vlad; +Cc: 'John Alvord', linux-kernel, rms On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Vlad@Vlad.geekizoid.com wrote: > And in that same period, look at Linux, and then look at Hurd. Hurd even > has the advantage of using giant chunks of Linux code, but it still is > basically useless. > > Why should Linux be refered to as GNU/Linux because of tools, and yet Hurd > doesn't give credit where credit is due? RMS has done more to hurt GNU with > his current stance on the matter than Microsoft ever could. He's getting > annoying, too. > > Regards, > Scott > Damn. This is getting tried and it doesn't seem to "go away". Anybody remember this Copyright notice?? Most ALL of the early Linux Distributions contained programs with this notice: /* * Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. * All rights reserved. * * Redistribution and use in source and binary forms are permitted * provided that the above copyright notice and this paragraph are * duplicated in all such forms and that any documentation, * advertising materials, and other materials related to such * distribution and use acknowledge that the software was developed * by the University of California, Berkeley. The name of the * University may not be used to endorse or promote products derived * from this software without specific prior written permission. * THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED ``AS IS'' AND WITHOUT ANY EXPRESS OR * IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, THE IMPLIED * WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTIBILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. */ #ifndef lint char copyright[] = "@(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California.\n\ All rights reserved.\n"; #endif /* not lint */ ...however. Something happened so that this code was lifted "whole cloth" into some later distributions that contained the GNU License notice. By some unknown mystery, the embeded copyright notice was eliminated as well. However, much of the code remained the same. In some little-used programs, all the code, including the bug, remained the same. If I had anything to do with so-called GNU, I'd keep my mouth shut so this wholesale appropriation of intellectual property was not investigated. Here is an early distribution of Linux: Script started on Thu Jan 9 10:55:02 2003 # cd /usr/bin # strings * | grep Regents @(#) Copyright (c) 1980 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1980 The Regents of the University of California. The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. @(#) Copyright (c) 1990 The Regents of the University of California. The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. @(#) Copyright (c) 1980 Regents of the University of California. The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. @(#) Copyright (c) 1989 The Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1990 The Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1990 The Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1985, 1989 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1989 The Regents of the University of California. Based on BSD gprof, copyright 1983 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1989 The Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1986 Regents of the University of California. The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983, 1989 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. @(#) Copyright (c) 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995 by NCEMRSoft and Copyright (c) 1985, 1989 Regents of the University of California. The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. @(#) Copyright (c) 1985,1989 Regents of the University of California. The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1985, 1989 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1989 The Regents of the University of California. The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983, 1990 The Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1993 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. @(#) Copyright (c) 1987, 1992 The Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983, 1990 The Regents of the University of California. The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983, 1990 The Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 The Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1988 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 The Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1980 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1991 The Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1988, 1990 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1980, 1991 The Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1989 The Regents of the University of California. # strings * | grep Regents @(#) Copyright (c) 1980 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1980 The Regents of the University of California. The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. @(#) Copyright (c) 1990 The Regents of the University of California. The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. @(#) Copyright (c) 1980 Regents of the University of California. The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. @(#) Copyright (c) 1989 The Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1990 The Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1990 The Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1985, 1989 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1989 The Regents of the University of California. Based on BSD gprof, copyright 1983 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1989 The Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1986 Regents of the University of California. The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983, 1989 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. @(#) Copyright (c) 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995 by NCEMRSoft and Copyright (c) 1985, 1989 Regents of the University of California. The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. @(#) Copyright (c) 1985,1989 Regents of the University of California. The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1985, 1989 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1989 The Regents of the University of California. The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983, 1990 The Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1993 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. @(#) Copyright (c) 1987, 1992 The Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983, 1990 The Regents of the University of California. The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. @(#) Copyright (c) 1983, 1990 The Regents of the University The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. @(#) Copyright (c) 1980 The Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1989 The Regents of the University of California. # cd /bin # strings * | grep Regents @(#) Copyright (c) 1991 The Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1991 The Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1980, 1987, 1988 The Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1980 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1980 Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1980 The Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1989 The Regents of the University of California. @(#) Copyright (c) 1991 The Regents of the University of California. # cd /sbin # strings * | grep Regents strings: control: No such file or directory strings: discard: No such file or directory The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. strings: server: No such file or directory The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. strings: sysinit: No such file or directory # exit Script done on Thu Jan 9 10:57:53 2003 So much for the absolute bullshit that GNU started Linux and that there is somehow a GNU/Linux. Most all of the early distributions used programs ported from BSD. The Linux-BSD emulation was so good, thanks to Linus and others, that most programs needed to only be recompiled. That, ladies and gentlemen, is the true history of the "Linux Operating System" with all of the components that RMS insists are his, actually coming from the University of California, Berkeley. Don't be bambozzled by the persons who will re-write history to glorify their accomplishments. Saying something over-and-over again doesn't make it true. Facts stand alone. They only need to be noted. Bullshit needs repeating. Cheers, Dick Johnson Penguin : Linux version 2.4.18 on an i686 machine (797.90 BogoMips). Why is the government concerned about the lunatic fringe? Think about it. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: What's in a name? 2003-01-09 16:11 ` Richard B. Johnson @ 2003-01-09 16:51 ` venom 2003-01-09 17:48 ` Jesse Pollard 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: venom @ 2003-01-09 16:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Richard B. Johnson; +Cc: vlad, 'John Alvord', linux-kernel, rms Yes, for binaries most of the time we even did not need to use the /usr/lib/libbsd.a compatibility library and the /usr/include/bsd/*.h compatibility includes (just ash was needing that) coming with libc4 and libc5 distribution for compatibility pursues. Then also the boot system was BSD like, and now we see this prosecuted and evolved in Slackware. But please, let's stop this thread. We talked about GPLed modules and binary only modules, and none even considered implication brought by the new module interface with run queue, that is an important point in this discussion. We talked just about names, names, names, and again names. I do not expect in every thread on lkml to see some good contribution (not just code, but concept, discussions, and so on), but this specific one is just like "the wall I build with my belief is higher than your". And the few smart mails ususally got ignored. There is no interess in this for me. Luigi On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Richard B. Johnson wrote: > Most all of the early distributions > used programs ported from BSD. The Linux-BSD emulation was so good, > thanks to Linus and others, that most programs needed to only be > recompiled. > > That, ladies and gentlemen, is the true history of the "Linux Operating > System" with all of the components that RMS insists are his, actually > coming from the University of California, Berkeley. > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: What's in a name? 2003-01-09 16:11 ` Richard B. Johnson 2003-01-09 16:51 ` venom @ 2003-01-09 17:48 ` Jesse Pollard 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Jesse Pollard @ 2003-01-09 17:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: root, vlad; +Cc: 'John Alvord', linux-kernel, rms On Thursday 09 January 2003 10:11 am, Richard B. Johnson wrote: > On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Vlad@Vlad.geekizoid.com wrote: > > And in that same period, look at Linux, and then look at Hurd. Hurd even > > has the advantage of using giant chunks of Linux code, but it still is > > basically useless. > > > > Why should Linux be refered to as GNU/Linux because of tools, and yet > > Hurd doesn't give credit where credit is due? RMS has done more to hurt > > GNU with his current stance on the matter than Microsoft ever could. > > He's getting annoying, too. > > > > Regards, > > Scott > > Damn. This is getting tried and it doesn't seem to "go away". > > Anybody remember this Copyright notice?? Most ALL of the > early Linux Distributions contained programs with this > notice: > > /* > * Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California. > * All rights reserved. > * > * Redistribution and use in source and binary forms are permitted > * provided that the above copyright notice and this paragraph are > * duplicated in all such forms and that any documentation, > * advertising materials, and other materials related to such > * distribution and use acknowledge that the software was developed > * by the University of California, Berkeley. The name of the > * University may not be used to endorse or promote products derived > * from this software without specific prior written permission. > * THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED ``AS IS'' AND WITHOUT ANY EXPRESS OR > * IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, THE IMPLIED > * WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTIBILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. > */ > > #ifndef lint > char copyright[] = > "@(#) Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California.\n\ > All rights reserved.\n"; > #endif /* not lint */ > > > ...however. Something happened so that this code was lifted > "whole cloth" into some later distributions that contained > the GNU License notice. By some unknown mystery, the embeded > copyright notice was eliminated as well. However, much of the > code remained the same. In some little-used programs, all the > code, including the bug, remained the same. > > If I had anything to do with so-called GNU, I'd keep my mouth > shut so this wholesale appropriation of intellectual property > was not investigated. > > Here is an early distribution of Linux: > > Script started on Thu Jan 9 10:55:02 2003 > # cd /usr/bin > # strings * | grep Regents > @(#) Copyright (c) 1980 Regents of the University of California. > @(#) Copyright (c) 1980 The Regents of the University of California. [snip] > @(#) Copyright (c) 1991 The Regents of the University of California. > # cd /sbin > # strings * | grep Regents > strings: control: No such file or directory > strings: discard: No such file or directory > The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. > The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. > The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. > The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. > strings: server: No such file or directory > The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. > strings: sysinit: No such file or directory > # exit > Script done on Thu Jan 9 10:57:53 2003 > > > So much for the absolute bullshit that GNU started Linux and that > there is somehow a GNU/Linux. Most all of the early distributions > used programs ported from BSD. The Linux-BSD emulation was so good, > thanks to Linus and others, that most programs needed to only be > recompiled. > > That, ladies and gentlemen, is the true history of the "Linux Operating > System" with all of the components that RMS insists are his, actually > coming from the University of California, Berkeley. > > Don't be bambozzled by the persons who will re-write history to glorify > their accomplishments. Saying something over-and-over again doesn't > make it true. Facts stand alone. They only need to be noted. Bullshit > needs repeating. I seem to remember that there was also a request from the University of California to remove that code too. That was when they started charging for the BSD distribution, and before the NetBSD got out, which also had to rewrite/replace the code. Guess what got used... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jesse I Pollard, II Email: pollard@navo.hpc.mil Any opinions expressed are solely my own. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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