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From: Kash Pande <kash@tripleback.net>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: x86/fpu: Don't export __kernel_fpu_{begin,end}()
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 19:07:13 -0800
Message-ID: <a4c5c516-bf38-cc7a-bd4c-f0f3297e855e@tripleback.net> (raw)

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> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 07:07:52PM +0100, Sebastian Andrzej Siewior wrote:
> > On 2019-01-10 17:32:58 [+0000], Hutter, Tony wrote:
> > > > But since when did out-of-tree modules use __kernel_fpu_begin? 
It's an
> > > > x86-only thing, and shouldn't really be used by anyone, right?
> > >
> > > ZFS on Linux uses it for checksums.  Its removal is currently
breaking ZFS builds against 5.0:
> >
> > So btrfs uses crc32c() / kernel's crypto API for that and ZFS can't?
> > Well the crypto API is GPL only exported so that won't work. crc32c() is
> > EXPORT_SYMBOL() so it would work.
> > On the other hand it does not look right to provide a EXPORT_SYMBOL
> > wrapper around a GPL only interface…

> Yes, the "GPL condom" attempt doesn't work at all.  It's been shot down
> a long time ago in the courts.

SFLC maintains there is no kernel licensing issue[1].

As a side note, even Hellwig's suit against VMware was dismissed (he may
appeal)[2].

Debian and Canonical base their decision to ship DKMS source for ZFS on
Linux[3].

The GPL does not disqualify a user from compiling ZFS or Linux however
they see fit.
It is only the users' distribution rights that come into question.

No one is combing ZFS into Linux or even distributing binary modules here;
we're following the terms of GPL.

> My tolerance for ZFS is pretty non-existant.  Sun explicitly did not
> want their code to work on Linux, so why would we do extra work to get
> their code to work properly?


1. Should your personal feelings affect the quality of the Linux kernel?
I say no.

2. Did Sun or Oracle ever release any statement of any kind that backs
your statement?

3. What extra work is being done here aside from the dropping of a
pseudo-protection,
the "GPL ONLY" symbol export? Something tells me, even if someone else
did "the work"
and submitted patches, you would find a reason to tell them to get
stuffed and leave
it "as-is".


With all of that... why have ANY kind of tolerance for out of tree
kernel modules at all?


[1] https://www.softwarefreedom.org/resources/2016/linux-kernel-cddl.html

[2] https://opensource.com/law/16/8/gpl-enforcement-action-hellwig-v-vmware

[3] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/04/msg00006.html




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Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-01-11  3:07 Kash Pande [this message]
     [not found] <20190111054058.GA27966 () kroah ! com>
2019-01-11  6:24 ` Kash Pande
     [not found] <git-mailbomb-linux-master-12209993e98c5fa1855c467f22a24e3d5b8be205@kernel.org>
2019-01-07 22:08 ` Marc Dionne
2019-01-09 11:19   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2019-01-09 16:52     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2019-01-09 17:09       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2019-01-09 17:40         ` Marc Dionne
2019-01-10 13:13           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2019-01-10 13:11         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2019-01-10 17:32           ` Hutter, Tony
2019-01-10 18:07             ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2019-01-10 18:24               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2019-01-11  3:18                 ` Kash Pande
2019-01-11  5:04                 ` Lukas Wunner
2019-01-11  5:40                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2019-01-11 18:06                     ` Lukas Wunner
2019-01-23 15:58                     ` Pavel Machek
2019-01-15 13:01                 ` Rene Schickbauer
2019-01-15 13:32                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-01-15 13:42                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2019-01-15 18:51                     ` Kash Pande
2019-01-21 12:30                     ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2019-01-15 18:26                 ` Kash Pande

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