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From: "Haitao Huang" <haitao.huang@linux.intel.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 08/15] x86/sgx: Implement EPC reclamation flows for cgroup
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 11:20:37 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <op.2jjzsnz0wjvjmi@hhuan26-mobl.amr.corp.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d4aacbea13f0ff03ad94c31a4735746aedd009ba.camel@intel.com>

On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 05:00:27 -0600, Huang, Kai <kai.huang@intel.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 2024-02-21 at 00:44 -0600, Haitao Huang wrote:
>> [...]
>> >
>> > Here the @nr_to_scan is reduced by the number of pages that are
>> > isolated, but
>> > not actually reclaimed (which is reflected by @cnt).
>> >
>> > IIUC, looks you want to make this function do "each cycle" as what you
>> > mentioned
>> > in the v8 [1]:
>> >
>> > 	I tested with that approach and found we can only target number of
>> > pages
>> > 	attempted to reclaim not pages actually reclaimed due to the
>> > uncertainty
>> > 	of how long it takes to reclaim pages. Besides targeting number of
>> > 	scanned pages for each cycle is also what the ksgxd does.
>> >
>> > 	If we target actual number of pages, sometimes it just takes too  
>> long.
>> > I
>> > 	saw more timeouts with the default time limit when running parallel
>> > 	selftests.
>> >
>> > I am not sure what does "sometimes it just takes too long" mean, but
>> > what I am
>> > thinking is you are trying to do some perfect but yet complicated code
>> > here.
>>
>> I think what I observed was that the try_charge() would block too long
>> before getting chance of schedule() to yield, causing more timeouts than
>> necessary.
>> I'll do some re-test to be sure.
>
> Looks this is a valid information that can be used to justify whatever  
> you are
> implementing in the EPC cgroup reclaiming function(s).
>
I'll add some comments. Was assuming this is just following the old design  
as ksgxd.
There were some comments at the beginning of  
sgx_epc_cgrooup_reclaim_page().
         /*
          * Attempting to reclaim only a few pages will often fail and is
          * inefficient, while reclaiming a huge number of pages can result  
in
          * soft lockups due to holding various locks for an extended  
duration.
          */
         unsigned int nr_to_scan = SGX_NR_TO_SCAN;

I think it can be improved to emphasize we only "attempt" to finish  
scanning fixed number of pages for reclamation, not enforce number of  
pages successfully reclaimed.

>>
>> >
>> > For instance, I don't think selftest reflect the real workload, and I
>> > believe
>> > adjusting the limit of a given EPC cgroup shouldn't be a frequent
>> > operation,
>> > thus it is acceptable to use some easy-maintain code but less perfect
>> > code.
>> >
>> > Here I still think having @nr_to_scan as a pointer is  
>> over-complicated.
>> > For
>> > example, we can still let sgx_reclaim_pages() to always scan
>> > SGX_NR_TO_SCAN
>> > pages, but give up when there's enough pages reclaimed or when the EPC
>> > cgroup
>> > and its descendants have been looped:
>> >
>> > unsigned int sgx_epc_cgroup_reclaim_pages(struct misc_cg *root)
>> > {
>> > 	unsigned int cnt = 0;
>> > 	...
>> >
>> > 	css_for_each_descendant_pre(pos, css_root) {
>> > 		...
>> > 		epc_cg = sgx_epc_cgroup_from_misc_cg(css_misc(pos));
>> > 		cnt += sgx_reclaim_pages(&epc_cg->lru);
>> >
>> > 		if (cnt >= SGX_NR_TO_SCAN)
>> > 			break;
>> > 	}
>> >
>> > 	...
>> > 	return cnt;
>> > }
>> >
>> > Yeah it may reclaim more than SGX_NR_TO_SCAN when the loop actually
>> > reaches any
>> > descendants, but that should be rare and we don't care that much, do  
>> we?
>> >
>> I assume you meant @cnt here to be number of pages actually reclaimed.
>
> Yes.
>
>> This could cause  sgx_epc_cgroup_reclaim_pages() block too long as @cnt
>> may always be zero (all pages are too young) and you have to loop all
>> descendants.
>
> I am not sure whether this is a valid point.
>
> For example, your change in patch 10 "x86/sgx: Add EPC reclamation in  
> cgroup
> try_charge()" already loops all descendants in below code:
>
> +		if (sgx_epc_cgroup_lru_empty(epc_cg->cg))
> +			return -ENOMEM;
>

I meant looping all descendants for reclamation which is expensive and we  
want to avoid. Not just checking emptiness of LRUs.

> Anyway, I can see all these can be justification to your  
> design/implementation.
> My point is please put these justification in changelog/comments so that  
> we can
> actually understand.
>
Yes, will add clarifying comments.
Thanks

  reply	other threads:[~2024-02-22 17:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-02-05 21:06 [PATCH v9 00/15] Add Cgroup support for SGX EPC memory Haitao Huang
2024-02-05 21:06 ` [PATCH v9 01/15] cgroup/misc: Add per resource callbacks for CSS events Haitao Huang
2024-02-05 21:06 ` [PATCH v9 02/15] cgroup/misc: Export APIs for SGX driver Haitao Huang
2024-02-05 21:06 ` [PATCH v9 03/15] cgroup/misc: Add SGX EPC resource type Haitao Huang
2024-02-05 21:06 ` [PATCH v9 04/15] x86/sgx: Implement basic EPC misc cgroup functionality Haitao Huang
2024-02-19 12:47   ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-26 18:25   ` Michal Koutný
2024-02-27 21:35     ` Haitao Huang
2024-03-09 21:10       ` Haitao Huang
2024-02-05 21:06 ` [PATCH v9 05/15] x86/sgx: Add sgx_epc_lru_list to encapsulate LRU list Haitao Huang
2024-02-05 21:06 ` [PATCH v9 06/15] x86/sgx: Abstract tracking reclaimable pages in LRU Haitao Huang
2024-02-05 21:06 ` [PATCH v9 07/15] x86/sgx: Expose sgx_reclaim_pages() for cgroup Haitao Huang
2024-02-20  9:26   ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-05 21:06 ` [PATCH v9 08/15] x86/sgx: Implement EPC reclamation flows " Haitao Huang
2024-02-12 19:35   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-02-20  9:52   ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-20 13:18     ` Michal Koutný
2024-02-20 20:09       ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-21  6:23     ` Haitao Huang
2024-02-21 10:48       ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-22 20:12         ` Haitao Huang
2024-02-22 22:24           ` Huang, Kai
2024-03-28  0:24             ` Haitao Huang
2024-02-21  6:44     ` Haitao Huang
2024-02-21 11:00       ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-22 17:20         ` Haitao Huang [this message]
2024-02-22 22:31           ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-22 18:09     ` Haitao Huang
2024-02-05 21:06 ` [PATCH v9 09/15] x86/sgx: Charge mem_cgroup for per-cgroup reclamation Haitao Huang
2024-02-12 19:46   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-02-13  3:21     ` Haitao Huang
2024-02-15 23:43   ` Dave Hansen
2024-02-16  6:07     ` Haitao Huang
2024-02-16 15:15   ` Dave Hansen
2024-02-16 21:38     ` Haitao Huang
2024-02-16 21:55       ` Dave Hansen
2024-02-16 23:33         ` Haitao Huang
2024-02-05 21:06 ` [PATCH v9 10/15] x86/sgx: Add EPC reclamation in cgroup try_charge() Haitao Huang
2024-02-12 19:55   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-02-12 23:15     ` Haitao Huang
2024-02-14  1:52       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-02-19 15:12         ` Haitao Huang
2024-02-19 20:20           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-02-19 15:39         ` [RFC PATCH] x86/sgx: Remove 'reclaim' boolean parameters Haitao Huang
2024-02-19 15:56           ` Dave Hansen
2024-02-19 20:42             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-02-19 22:25               ` Haitao Huang
2024-02-19 22:43                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-02-19 20:23           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-02-21 11:06   ` [PATCH v9 10/15] x86/sgx: Add EPC reclamation in cgroup try_charge() Huang, Kai
2024-02-22 17:09     ` Haitao Huang
2024-02-22 21:26       ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-22 22:57         ` Haitao Huang
2024-02-23 10:18           ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-23 17:00             ` Haitao Huang
2024-02-26  1:38               ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-26  4:03                 ` Haitao Huang
2024-02-26 11:36                   ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-26 14:04                     ` Dave Hansen
2024-02-26 21:48                       ` Haitao Huang
2024-02-26 21:56                         ` Dave Hansen
2024-02-26 22:34                           ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-26 22:38                             ` Dave Hansen
2024-02-26 22:46                               ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-27 20:41                           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-02-27  9:26                         ` Michal Koutný
2024-02-26 21:18                     ` Haitao Huang
2024-02-26 22:24                       ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-26 22:31                         ` Dave Hansen
2024-02-26 22:38                           ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-05 21:06 ` [PATCH v9 11/15] x86/sgx: Abstract check for global reclaimable pages Haitao Huang
2024-02-12 19:56   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-02-21 11:34   ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-05 21:06 ` [PATCH v9 12/15] x86/sgx: Expose sgx_epc_cgroup_reclaim_pages() for global reclaimer Haitao Huang
2024-02-12 19:58   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-02-21 11:10   ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-22 16:35     ` Haitao Huang
2024-02-05 21:06 ` [PATCH v9 13/15] x86/sgx: Turn on per-cgroup EPC reclamation Haitao Huang
2024-02-21 11:23   ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-22 16:36     ` Haitao Huang
2024-02-22 22:44       ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-23 18:46         ` Haitao Huang
2024-02-05 21:06 ` [PATCH v9 14/15] Docs/x86/sgx: Add description for cgroup support Haitao Huang
2024-02-05 21:06 ` [PATCH v9 15/15] selftests/sgx: Add scripts for EPC cgroup testing Haitao Huang
2024-03-27 12:55   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-03-27 16:56     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-03-28  0:57       ` Haitao Huang
2024-03-28  3:05         ` Haitao Huang
2024-03-30 11:23         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-03-30 11:26           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-04-02 11:23             ` Michal Koutný
2024-04-02 11:58               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-04-02 16:20                 ` Haitao Huang
2024-04-02 17:40                   ` Michal Koutný
2024-04-02 18:20                     ` Haitao Huang
2024-04-03 16:46                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-04-03 15:33                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-04-02 15:42           ` Dave Hansen
2024-04-03 15:16             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-03-28  3:54     ` Haitao Huang
2024-03-30 11:15       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-03-30 15:32         ` Haitao Huang
2024-03-31 16:19           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-03-31 17:35             ` Haitao Huang
2024-04-01 14:10               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-02-08  8:43 ` [PATCH v9 00/15] Add Cgroup support for SGX EPC memory Mikko Ylinen

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