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From: "Haitao Huang" <haitao.huang@linux.intel.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 10/15] x86/sgx: Add EPC reclamation in cgroup try_charge()
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2024 22:03:09 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <op.2jqdjjd8wjvjmi@hhuan26-mobl.amr.corp.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7b53e155-2622-4acb-b7c9-d22e623e4cb3@intel.com>

On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 19:38:26 -0600, Huang, Kai <kai.huang@intel.com> wrote:

>
>
> On 24/02/2024 6:00 am, Haitao Huang wrote:
>> On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 04:18:18 -0600, Huang, Kai <kai.huang@intel.com>  
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> >
>>>> Right. When code reaches to here, we already passed reclaim per  
>>>> cgroup.
>>>
>>> Yes if try_charge() failed we must do pre-cgroup reclaim.
>>>
>>>> The cgroup may not at or reach limit but system has run out of  
>>>> physical
>>>> EPC.
>>>>
>>>
>>> But after try_charge() we can still choose to reclaim from the current  
>>> group,
>>> but not necessarily have to be global, right?  I am not sure whether I  
>>> am
>>> missing something, but could you elaborate why we should choose to  
>>> reclaim from
>>> the global?
>>>
>>  Once try_charge is done and returns zero that means the cgroup usage  
>> is charged and it's not over usage limit. So you really can't reclaim  
>> from that cgroup if allocation failed. The only  thing you can do is to  
>> reclaim globally.
>
> Sorry I still cannot establish the logic here.
>
> Let's say the sum of all cgroups are greater than the physical EPC, and  
> elclave(s) in each cgroup could potentially fault w/o reaching cgroup's  
> limit.
>
> In this case, when enclave(s) in one cgroup faults, why we cannot  
> reclaim from the current cgroup, but have to reclaim from global?
>
> Is there any real downside of the former, or you just want to follow the  
> reclaim logic w/o cgroup at all?
>
> IIUC, there's at least one advantage of reclaim from the current group,  
> that faults of enclave(s) in one group won't impact other enclaves in  
> other cgroups.  E.g., in this way other enclaves in other groups may  
> never need to trigger faults.
>
> Or perhaps I am missing anything?
>
The use case here is that user knows it's OK for group A to borrow some  
pages from group B for some time without impact much performance, vice  
versa. That's why the user is overcomitting so system can run more  
enclave/groups. Otherwise, if she is concerned about impact of A on B, she  
could lower limit for A so it never interfere or interfere less with B  
(assume the lower limit is still high enough to run all enclaves in A),  
and sacrifice some of A's performance. Or if she does not want any  
interference between groups, just don't over-comit. So we don't really  
lose anything here.

In case of overcomitting, even if we always reclaim from the same cgroup  
for each fault, one group may still interfere the other: e.g., consider an  
extreme case in that group A used up almost all EPC at the time group B  
has a fault, B has to fail allocation and kill enclaves.

Haitao

  reply	other threads:[~2024-02-26  4:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-02-05 21:06 [PATCH v9 00/15] Add Cgroup support for SGX EPC memory Haitao Huang
2024-02-05 21:06 ` [PATCH v9 01/15] cgroup/misc: Add per resource callbacks for CSS events Haitao Huang
2024-02-05 21:06 ` [PATCH v9 02/15] cgroup/misc: Export APIs for SGX driver Haitao Huang
2024-02-05 21:06 ` [PATCH v9 03/15] cgroup/misc: Add SGX EPC resource type Haitao Huang
2024-02-05 21:06 ` [PATCH v9 04/15] x86/sgx: Implement basic EPC misc cgroup functionality Haitao Huang
2024-02-19 12:47   ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-26 18:25   ` Michal Koutný
2024-02-27 21:35     ` Haitao Huang
2024-03-09 21:10       ` Haitao Huang
2024-02-05 21:06 ` [PATCH v9 05/15] x86/sgx: Add sgx_epc_lru_list to encapsulate LRU list Haitao Huang
2024-02-05 21:06 ` [PATCH v9 06/15] x86/sgx: Abstract tracking reclaimable pages in LRU Haitao Huang
2024-02-05 21:06 ` [PATCH v9 07/15] x86/sgx: Expose sgx_reclaim_pages() for cgroup Haitao Huang
2024-02-20  9:26   ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-05 21:06 ` [PATCH v9 08/15] x86/sgx: Implement EPC reclamation flows " Haitao Huang
2024-02-12 19:35   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-02-20  9:52   ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-20 13:18     ` Michal Koutný
2024-02-20 20:09       ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-21  6:23     ` Haitao Huang
2024-02-21 10:48       ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-22 20:12         ` Haitao Huang
2024-02-22 22:24           ` Huang, Kai
2024-03-28  0:24             ` Haitao Huang
2024-02-21  6:44     ` Haitao Huang
2024-02-21 11:00       ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-22 17:20         ` Haitao Huang
2024-02-22 22:31           ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-22 18:09     ` Haitao Huang
2024-02-05 21:06 ` [PATCH v9 09/15] x86/sgx: Charge mem_cgroup for per-cgroup reclamation Haitao Huang
2024-02-12 19:46   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-02-13  3:21     ` Haitao Huang
2024-02-15 23:43   ` Dave Hansen
2024-02-16  6:07     ` Haitao Huang
2024-02-16 15:15   ` Dave Hansen
2024-02-16 21:38     ` Haitao Huang
2024-02-16 21:55       ` Dave Hansen
2024-02-16 23:33         ` Haitao Huang
2024-02-05 21:06 ` [PATCH v9 10/15] x86/sgx: Add EPC reclamation in cgroup try_charge() Haitao Huang
2024-02-12 19:55   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-02-12 23:15     ` Haitao Huang
2024-02-14  1:52       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-02-19 15:12         ` Haitao Huang
2024-02-19 20:20           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-02-19 15:39         ` [RFC PATCH] x86/sgx: Remove 'reclaim' boolean parameters Haitao Huang
2024-02-19 15:56           ` Dave Hansen
2024-02-19 20:42             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-02-19 22:25               ` Haitao Huang
2024-02-19 22:43                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-02-19 20:23           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-02-21 11:06   ` [PATCH v9 10/15] x86/sgx: Add EPC reclamation in cgroup try_charge() Huang, Kai
2024-02-22 17:09     ` Haitao Huang
2024-02-22 21:26       ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-22 22:57         ` Haitao Huang
2024-02-23 10:18           ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-23 17:00             ` Haitao Huang
2024-02-26  1:38               ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-26  4:03                 ` Haitao Huang [this message]
2024-02-26 11:36                   ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-26 14:04                     ` Dave Hansen
2024-02-26 21:48                       ` Haitao Huang
2024-02-26 21:56                         ` Dave Hansen
2024-02-26 22:34                           ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-26 22:38                             ` Dave Hansen
2024-02-26 22:46                               ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-27 20:41                           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-02-27  9:26                         ` Michal Koutný
2024-02-26 21:18                     ` Haitao Huang
2024-02-26 22:24                       ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-26 22:31                         ` Dave Hansen
2024-02-26 22:38                           ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-05 21:06 ` [PATCH v9 11/15] x86/sgx: Abstract check for global reclaimable pages Haitao Huang
2024-02-12 19:56   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-02-21 11:34   ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-05 21:06 ` [PATCH v9 12/15] x86/sgx: Expose sgx_epc_cgroup_reclaim_pages() for global reclaimer Haitao Huang
2024-02-12 19:58   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-02-21 11:10   ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-22 16:35     ` Haitao Huang
2024-02-05 21:06 ` [PATCH v9 13/15] x86/sgx: Turn on per-cgroup EPC reclamation Haitao Huang
2024-02-21 11:23   ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-22 16:36     ` Haitao Huang
2024-02-22 22:44       ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-23 18:46         ` Haitao Huang
2024-02-05 21:06 ` [PATCH v9 14/15] Docs/x86/sgx: Add description for cgroup support Haitao Huang
2024-02-05 21:06 ` [PATCH v9 15/15] selftests/sgx: Add scripts for EPC cgroup testing Haitao Huang
2024-03-27 12:55   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-03-27 16:56     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-03-28  0:57       ` Haitao Huang
2024-03-28  3:05         ` Haitao Huang
2024-03-30 11:23         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-03-30 11:26           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-04-02 11:23             ` Michal Koutný
2024-04-02 11:58               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-04-02 16:20                 ` Haitao Huang
2024-04-02 17:40                   ` Michal Koutný
2024-04-02 18:20                     ` Haitao Huang
2024-04-03 16:46                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-04-03 15:33                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-04-02 15:42           ` Dave Hansen
2024-04-03 15:16             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-03-28  3:54     ` Haitao Huang
2024-03-30 11:15       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-03-30 15:32         ` Haitao Huang
2024-03-31 16:19           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-03-31 17:35             ` Haitao Huang
2024-04-01 14:10               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-02-08  8:43 ` [PATCH v9 00/15] Add Cgroup support for SGX EPC memory Mikko Ylinen

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