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From: Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@redhat.com>
To: Linda Knippers <linda.knippers@hp.com>
Cc: Boaz Harrosh <boaz@plexistor.com>, "Wilcox\,
	Matthew R" <matthew.r.wilcox@intel.com>,
	"linux-kernel\@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel\@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Vishal L. Verma" <vishal.l.verma@intel.com>
Subject: Re: regression introduced by "block: Add support for DAX reads/writes to block devices"
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 13:14:49 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <x49y4hf3yba.fsf@segfault.boston.devel.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <55CCC8F8.6080204@hp.com> (Linda Knippers's message of "Thu, 13 Aug 2015 12:42:32 -0400")

Linda Knippers <linda.knippers@hp.com> writes:

>> I'd be fine with changing the persistent memory block device to only
>> support 4k logical, 4k physical block size.  That probably makes the
>> most sense.
>
> If that's what we want, the current patch doesn't do that.
> https://lists.01.org/pipermail/linux-nvdimm/2015-July/001555.html
>
> It causes the physical block size to be PAGE_SIZE but the
> logical block size is still 512.  However, the minimum_io_size
> is now 4096 (same as physical block size, I assume).  The
> optimal_io_size is still 0.  What does that mean?

physical block size - device's internal block size
logical block size - addressable unit
optimal io size - device's preferred unit for streaming
minimum io size - device’s preferred minimum unit for random I/O

See Martin Petersen's "Linux & Advanced Storage Interfaces" document for
more information.

> Whatever we go with, we should do something because 4.2rc6 is still
> broken, unable to create a xfs file system on a pmem device, ever
> since the change to use DAX on block devices with O_DIRECT.

We can change the block device to export logical/physical block sizes of
PAGE_SIZE.  However, when persistent memory support comes to platforms
that support page sizes > 32k, xfs will again run into problems (Dave
Chinner mentioned that xfs can't deal with logical block sizes >32k.)
Arguably, you can use pmem and dax on such platforms using RAM today for
testing.  Do we care about breaking that?

Cheers,
Jeff

  reply	other threads:[~2015-08-13 17:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-08-05 20:19 regression introduced by "block: Add support for DAX reads/writes to block devices" Jeff Moyer
2015-08-05 22:01 ` Dave Chinner
2015-08-06  1:42   ` Linda Knippers
2015-08-06  3:24     ` Dave Chinner
2015-08-06  7:52       ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-08-06 20:34         ` Dave Chinner
2015-08-09  8:52           ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-08-10 16:32             ` Linda Knippers
2015-08-10 21:27               ` Dave Chinner
2015-08-10 23:04                 ` Linda Knippers
2015-08-06 14:21 ` Wilcox, Matthew R
2015-08-06 15:33   ` Jeff Moyer
2015-08-06 15:51     ` Wilcox, Matthew R
2015-08-06 21:30   ` Jeff Moyer
2015-08-07 18:11     ` Wilcox, Matthew R
2015-08-07 20:41       ` Jeff Moyer
2015-08-10  7:42         ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-08-12 21:11           ` Jeff Moyer
2015-08-13  5:32             ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-08-13 14:00               ` Jeff Moyer
2015-08-13 16:42                 ` Linda Knippers
2015-08-13 17:14                   ` Jeff Moyer [this message]
2015-08-13 17:52                     ` Linda Knippers
2015-08-13 18:19                       ` Jeff Moyer
2015-08-13 19:32                         ` Wilcox, Matthew R
2015-08-14 16:28                           ` Dan Williams

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