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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: aliguori@us.ibm.com, gleb@redhat.com,
	Marcel Apfelbaum <marcel.a@redhat.com>,
	hutao@cn.fujitsu.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	Ronen Hod <rhod@redhat.com>,
	kraxel@redhat.com, afaerber@suse.de, vrozenfe@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH for-1.6 V2 0/2] pvpanic: Separate pvpanic from machine type
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 11:59:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <52148F88.5000509@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130821094237.GA4757@redhat.com>

Il 21/08/2013 11:42, Michael S. Tsirkin ha scritto:
> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 10:18:23AM +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
>> Il 21/08/2013 10:03, Marcel Apfelbaum ha scritto:
>>> On Wed, 2013-08-14 at 10:02 +0300, Ronen Hod wrote:
>>>> How about adding a flag that tells QEMU whether to pause or reboot the guest
>>>> after the panic?
>>>> We cannot assume that we always have a management layer that takes care
>>>> of this.
>>>> One example is Microsoft's WHQL that deliberately generates a BSOD, and then
>>>> examines the dump files.
>>> After this patch the pvpanic is not part of the global devices anymore so just
>>> don't enable it if you want to reboot on BSOD.
>>> In my opinion "reboot after panic" equals "run without pvpanic device"
>>
>> This is not entirely possible, since "reboot after panic" is a guest
>> setting while "run without pvpanic device" is a host setting (that the
>> guest administrator may not even have access to: Ronen's case is a good
>> example of this, because the "administrator" there is the WHQL harness).
>>
>> However, I think this is a driver problem.  The driver should just probe
>> the "reboot after panic" setting and not issue the outb to the pvpanic port.
> 
> This might or might not be possible on different OS-es.
> What exactly is gained by doing vmstop on outb of pvpanic?

Because events are edge-triggered, and can be lost if management dies at
the wrong time, each event that QEMU sends must go together with a way
for management to poll the state.

For panic, the way to poll the state is "info status".  This matches
what we do for watchdogs, for example.  Management can issue "info
status" to learn of the panic state, even if it happens while management
itself is not running:

     libvirtd                 QEMU                  guest
  ---------------------------------------------------------------
     stops
                                                 <- pvpanic outb
                              emits panic event
                              (no one receives it)
     starts
     info status ->
                              <- PANICKED


Because there is only one running state, this means the VM has to be
stopped.

But actually, fixing the driver would only be required if pvpanic were
mandatory.

Now that pvpanic is optional, "reboot after panic" can also be fixed in
libvirt.  Let's remove the "must reset after panic" limitation; then,
libvirt can simply do itself a "continue" after receiving the panicked
event (or after seeing that the guest is in panicked state).  The
panicked event will never be sent unless management explicitly requests
it (with "-device pvpanic"), so backwards compatibility is preserved.

The pause will still happen if management was stopped, but that's a fair
compromise IMHO.

It will mean also that "reboot after panic" will be broken in 1.6.0,
unfortunately.  Perhaps we can have a quick 1.6.1 release with this patch:

diff --git a/vl.c b/vl.c
index 25b8f2f..25e890a 100644
--- a/vl.c
+++ b/vl.c
@@ -685,8 +685,7 @@ int runstate_is_running(void)
 bool runstate_needs_reset(void)
 {
     return runstate_check(RUN_STATE_INTERNAL_ERROR) ||
-        runstate_check(RUN_STATE_SHUTDOWN) ||
-        runstate_check(RUN_STATE_GUEST_PANICKED);
+        runstate_check(RUN_STATE_SHUTDOWN);
 }

 StatusInfo *qmp_query_status(Error **errp)


By the way, this means two things:

- I am now sold on the idea that explicitly enabling of pvpanic is the
right thing to do;

- on the other hand this is the proof that the change was not fully
understood, and rushing it in 1.6 was the wrong thing to do.

Paolo

> We want a notification about the panic but
> adding yet another way to halt seems kind of useless.
> Why not let VM continue? If it wants to stop it
> can always call halt.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-08-21 10:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-11 15:10 Marcel Apfelbaum
2013-08-11 15:10 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH for-1.6 V2 1/2] hw/misc: don't create pvpanic device by default Marcel Apfelbaum
2013-08-12  3:06   ` Hu Tao
2013-08-12 15:59   ` Andreas Färber
2013-08-13 11:26   ` Markus Armbruster
2013-08-11 15:10 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH for-1.6 V2 2/2] hw/misc: make pvpanic known to user Marcel Apfelbaum
2013-08-12  3:07   ` Hu Tao
2013-08-12 15:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH for-1.6 V2 0/2] pvpanic: Separate pvpanic from machine type Eric Blake
2013-08-12 16:26   ` Marcel Apfelbaum
2013-08-14  7:02 ` Ronen Hod
2013-08-21  8:03   ` Marcel Apfelbaum
2013-08-21  8:18     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-21  9:42       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-08-21  9:56         ` Hu Tao
2013-08-21  9:59         ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2013-08-21 10:16           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-08-21 10:37             ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-14 16:27 ` Anthony Liguori

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