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From: Jan Beulich <jbeulich@suse.com>
To: Hongyan Xia <hx242@xen.org>
Cc: julien@xen.org, Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
	George Dunlap <george.dunlap@citrix.com>,
	Ian Jackson <ian.jackson@eu.citrix.com>,
	Stefano Stabellini <sstabellini@kernel.org>, Wei Liu <wl@xen.org>,
	xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 13/16] xen/page_alloc: add a path for xenheap when there is no direct map
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 15:55:03 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3a5deabc-d711-651a-8d76-44fb03613901@suse.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4317b9a308cce76de8c75288d41af9dde10cbe6e.camel@xen.org>

On 28.04.2021 15:22, Hongyan Xia wrote:
> On Wed, 2021-04-28 at 13:51 +0200, Jan Beulich wrote:
>> See my proposal to defer unmapping of the domain's own pages
>> (and I would consider the p2m pages to be part of the domain's
>> ones for this purpose). In fact, since the p2m pages come from a
>> fixed, separate pool I wonder whether the entire pool couldn't
>> be mapped in e.g. the per-domain VA range.
> 
> I thought about that as well, not just EPT but a lot of domain-private
> pages can be moved to the per-domain range, and the secrets are hidden
> by virtue of cr3 switches when switching to other domains. But still we
> have the problem of quickly finding PA->VA (I don't mean __va(), I mean
> finding the VA that can access a page table page) for EPT walks.
> 
> Mapping in bigger pages should work wonders for pre-partitioned guests
> where we know the guest mostly just has contiguous physical memory and
> a superpage map probably covers all pages in an HVM 2-level walk. But
> for a generic solution where domain memory can be really fragmented
> (and context switches can happen a lot on a pCPU), how can we quickly
> find PA->VA in EPT walking without some intrusive changes to Xen? Of
> course, if we do not allow the HAP pool to change and force the HAP
> pool to be physically contiguous, we can just remember the base VA of
> its vmapped region for quick PA->VA, but I don't think this is a
> generic solution.

We don't need to make the p2m pool static, but I think we can build on
it changing rarely, if ever. Hence it changing may be acceptable to be
moderately expensive.

If we made the pool physically contiguous, translation - as you say -
would be easy. But even if we can't find enough physical memory for it
to be contiguous, we can still help ourselves. The intermediate case is
when we can still make it consist of all 2M pages. There translation
may be fast enough even via a brute force array lookup. If we need to
resort to 4k pages, why not maintain the PA->VA association in a radix
tree?

Independent of that I think there are some cycles to be gained by,
already today, not having to map and unmap the root page table for
every access (get, set, etc).

Jan


  reply	other threads:[~2021-04-28 13:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-04-30 20:44 [PATCH 00/16] Remove the direct map Hongyan Xia
2020-04-30 20:44 ` [PATCH 01/16] x86/setup: move vm_init() before acpi calls Hongyan Xia
2020-04-30 20:44 ` [PATCH 02/16] acpi: vmap pages in acpi_os_alloc_memory Hongyan Xia
2020-05-01 12:02   ` Wei Liu
2020-05-01 12:46     ` Hongyan Xia
2020-05-01 21:35   ` Julien Grall
2020-05-04  8:27     ` Hongyan Xia
2020-04-30 20:44 ` [PATCH 03/16] x86/numa: vmap the pages for memnodemap Hongyan Xia
2020-04-30 20:44 ` [PATCH 04/16] x86/srat: vmap the pages for acpi_slit Hongyan Xia
2020-11-30 10:16   ` Jan Beulich
2020-11-30 18:11     ` Hongyan Xia
2020-12-01  7:37       ` Jan Beulich
2020-04-30 20:44 ` [PATCH 05/16] x86: map/unmap pages in restore_all_guests Hongyan Xia
2020-04-30 20:44 ` [PATCH 06/16] x86/pv: domheap pages should be mapped while relocating initrd Hongyan Xia
2020-04-30 20:44 ` [PATCH 07/16] x86/pv: rewrite how building PV dom0 handles domheap mappings Hongyan Xia
2020-04-30 20:44 ` [PATCH 08/16] x86: add Persistent Map (PMAP) infrastructure Hongyan Xia
2020-04-30 20:44 ` [PATCH 09/16] x86: lift mapcache variable to the arch level Hongyan Xia
2020-04-30 20:44 ` [PATCH 10/16] x86/mapcache: initialise the mapcache for the idle domain Hongyan Xia
2020-04-30 20:44 ` [PATCH 11/16] x86: add a boot option to enable and disable the direct map Hongyan Xia
2020-05-01  8:43   ` Julien Grall
2020-05-01 12:11   ` Wei Liu
2020-05-01 12:59     ` Hongyan Xia
2020-05-01 13:11       ` Wei Liu
2020-05-01 15:59         ` Julien Grall
2020-04-30 20:44 ` [PATCH 12/16] x86/domain_page: remove the fast paths when mfn is not in the directmap Hongyan Xia
2020-04-30 20:44 ` [PATCH 13/16] xen/page_alloc: add a path for xenheap when there is no direct map Hongyan Xia
2020-05-01  8:50   ` Julien Grall
2021-04-22 12:31   ` Jan Beulich
2021-04-28 11:04     ` Hongyan Xia
2021-04-28 11:51       ` Jan Beulich
2021-04-28 13:22         ` Hongyan Xia
2021-04-28 13:55           ` Jan Beulich [this message]
2020-04-30 20:44 ` [PATCH 14/16] x86/setup: leave early boot slightly earlier Hongyan Xia
2020-04-30 20:44 ` [PATCH 15/16] x86/setup: vmap heap nodes when they are outside the direct map Hongyan Xia
2020-04-30 20:44 ` [PATCH 16/16] x86/setup: do not create valid mappings when directmap=no Hongyan Xia
2020-05-01 12:07 ` [PATCH 00/16] Remove the direct map Wei Liu
2020-05-01 13:53   ` Hongyan Xia
2020-06-02  9:08     ` Wei Liu
2021-04-28 10:14       ` Hongyan Xia

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