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From: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>
To: Rob Herring <robherring2@gmail.com>
Cc: Yakir Yang <ykk@rock-chips.com>, Heiko Stuebner <heiko@sntech.de>,
	Thierry Reding <treding@nvidia.com>,
	Jingoo Han <jingoohan1@gmail.com>,
	Fabio Estevam <fabio.estevam@freescale.com>,
	Inki Dae <inki.dae@samsung.com>, Joe Perches <joe@perches.com>,
	Sean Paul <seanpaul@google.com>, Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>,
	dri-devel <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	Andrzej Hajda <a.hajda@samsung.com>,
	Gustavo Padovan <gustavo.padovan@collabora.co.uk>,
	"linux-samsung-soc@vger.kernel.org" 
	<linux-samsung-soc@vger.kernel.org>,
	Vincent Palatin <vpalatin@chromium.org>,
	linux-rockchip@lists.infradead.org,
	Kishon Vijay Abraham I <kishon@ti.com>,
	David Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>,
	"devicetree@vger.kernel.org" <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>,
	Pawel Moll <pawel.moll@arm.com>,
	Ian Campbell <ijc+devicetree@hellion.org.uk>,
	Doug Anderson <dianders@google.com>,
	Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org" 
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	Mark Yao <mark.yao@rock-chips.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Kyungmin Park <kyungmin.park@samsung.com>,
	Daniel Kurtz <djkurtz@google.com>,
	Philipp Zabel <p.zabel@pengutronix.de>,
	Kumar Gala <galak@codeaurora.org>,
	Ajay kumar <ajaynumb@gmail.com>,
	Andy Yan <andy.yan@rock-chips.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 06/14] Documentation: drm/bridge: add document for analogix_dp
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 13:57:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150824125758.GA7557@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAL_JsqLz+8RtBucctUj4euXZ3Ac0DvB52N9ONpAerh5T9BiTJg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 06:23:14PM -0500, Rob Herring wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Yakir Yang <ykk@rock-chips.com> wrote:
> > +       -analogix,color-depth:
> > +               number of bits per colour component.
> > +                       COLOR_6 = 0, COLOR_8 = 1, COLOR_10 = 2, COLOR_12 = 3
> 
> This seems pretty generic. Just use 6, 8, 10, or 12 for values. And
> drop the vendor prefix.

Please think about this some more.  What does "color-depth" mean?  Does it
mean the number of bits per colour _component_, or does it mean the total
number of bits to represent a particular colour.  It's confusing as it
stands.

> > +Optional properties for dp-controller:
> > +       -analogix,hpd-gpio:
> > +               Hotplug detect GPIO.
> > +                       Indicates which GPIO should be used for hotplug
> > +                       detection
> 
> We should align with "hpd-gpios" used by HDMI connector binding. Or do
> we need a DP connector binding that this should be defined in?
> Probably so.
> 
> The DRM related bindings are such a cluster f*ck with everyone picking
> their own way to do things. Just grep hpd in bindings for starters.
> That is just the tip.

I'm not surprised one iota that DRM bindings are a mess.  There's no one
overlooking the adoption of DRM bindings, so surprise surprise, everyone
does their own thing.  This is exactly what happens every time in that
scenario.  It's not a new problem.

When we adopted the graph bindings for iMX DRM, I thought exactly at that
time "it would be nice if this could become the standard for binding DRM
components together" but I don't have the authority from either the DT
perspective or the DRM perspective to mandate that.  Neither does anyone
else.  That's the _real_ problem here.

I've seen several DRM bindings go by which don't use the of-graph stuff,
which means that they'll never be compatible with generic components
which do use the of-graph stuff.

Like you say, it's a mess, but it's a mess of our own making, because no
one has the authority to regulate this.

-- 
FTTC broadband for 0.8mile line: currently at 10.5Mbps down 400kbps up
according to speedtest.net.

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From: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux-lFZ/pmaqli7XmaaqVzeoHQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Rob Herring <robherring2-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Yakir Yang <ykk-TNX95d0MmH7DzftRWevZcw@public.gmane.org>,
	Heiko Stuebner <heiko-4mtYJXux2i+zQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Thierry Reding <treding-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Jingoo Han <jingoohan1-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Fabio Estevam
	<fabio.estevam-KZfg59tc24xl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org>,
	Inki Dae <inki.dae-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Joe Perches <joe-6d6DIl74uiNBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Sean Paul <seanpaul-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Takashi Iwai <tiwai-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>,
	dri-devel
	<dri-devel-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW@public.gmane.org>,
	Andrzej Hajda <a.hajda-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Gustavo Padovan
	<gustavo.padovan-ZGY8ohtN/8pPYcu2f3hruQ@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-samsung-soc-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-samsung-soc-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Vincent Palatin
	<vpalatin-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-rockchip-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org,
	Kishon Vijay Abraham I <kishon-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>,
	David Airlie <airlied-cv59FeDIM0c@public.gmane.org>,
	"devicetree-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<devicetree-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Pawel Moll <pawel.moll-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
	Ian Campbell
	<ijc+devicetree-KcIKpvwj1kUDXYZnReoRVg@public.gmane.org>,
	Doug Anderson <dianders-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Rob Herring <robh+dt-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 06/14] Documentation: drm/bridge: add document for analogix_dp
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 13:57:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150824125758.GA7557@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAL_JsqLz+8RtBucctUj4euXZ3Ac0DvB52N9ONpAerh5T9BiTJg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>

On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 06:23:14PM -0500, Rob Herring wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Yakir Yang <ykk-TNX95d0MmH7DzftRWevZcw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > +       -analogix,color-depth:
> > +               number of bits per colour component.
> > +                       COLOR_6 = 0, COLOR_8 = 1, COLOR_10 = 2, COLOR_12 = 3
> 
> This seems pretty generic. Just use 6, 8, 10, or 12 for values. And
> drop the vendor prefix.

Please think about this some more.  What does "color-depth" mean?  Does it
mean the number of bits per colour _component_, or does it mean the total
number of bits to represent a particular colour.  It's confusing as it
stands.

> > +Optional properties for dp-controller:
> > +       -analogix,hpd-gpio:
> > +               Hotplug detect GPIO.
> > +                       Indicates which GPIO should be used for hotplug
> > +                       detection
> 
> We should align with "hpd-gpios" used by HDMI connector binding. Or do
> we need a DP connector binding that this should be defined in?
> Probably so.
> 
> The DRM related bindings are such a cluster f*ck with everyone picking
> their own way to do things. Just grep hpd in bindings for starters.
> That is just the tip.

I'm not surprised one iota that DRM bindings are a mess.  There's no one
overlooking the adoption of DRM bindings, so surprise surprise, everyone
does their own thing.  This is exactly what happens every time in that
scenario.  It's not a new problem.

When we adopted the graph bindings for iMX DRM, I thought exactly at that
time "it would be nice if this could become the standard for binding DRM
components together" but I don't have the authority from either the DT
perspective or the DRM perspective to mandate that.  Neither does anyone
else.  That's the _real_ problem here.

I've seen several DRM bindings go by which don't use the of-graph stuff,
which means that they'll never be compatible with generic components
which do use the of-graph stuff.

Like you say, it's a mess, but it's a mess of our own making, because no
one has the authority to regulate this.

-- 
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according to speedtest.net.
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From: linux@arm.linux.org.uk (Russell King - ARM Linux)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v3 06/14] Documentation: drm/bridge: add document for analogix_dp
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 13:57:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150824125758.GA7557@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAL_JsqLz+8RtBucctUj4euXZ3Ac0DvB52N9ONpAerh5T9BiTJg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 06:23:14PM -0500, Rob Herring wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Yakir Yang <ykk@rock-chips.com> wrote:
> > +       -analogix,color-depth:
> > +               number of bits per colour component.
> > +                       COLOR_6 = 0, COLOR_8 = 1, COLOR_10 = 2, COLOR_12 = 3
> 
> This seems pretty generic. Just use 6, 8, 10, or 12 for values. And
> drop the vendor prefix.

Please think about this some more.  What does "color-depth" mean?  Does it
mean the number of bits per colour _component_, or does it mean the total
number of bits to represent a particular colour.  It's confusing as it
stands.

> > +Optional properties for dp-controller:
> > +       -analogix,hpd-gpio:
> > +               Hotplug detect GPIO.
> > +                       Indicates which GPIO should be used for hotplug
> > +                       detection
> 
> We should align with "hpd-gpios" used by HDMI connector binding. Or do
> we need a DP connector binding that this should be defined in?
> Probably so.
> 
> The DRM related bindings are such a cluster f*ck with everyone picking
> their own way to do things. Just grep hpd in bindings for starters.
> That is just the tip.

I'm not surprised one iota that DRM bindings are a mess.  There's no one
overlooking the adoption of DRM bindings, so surprise surprise, everyone
does their own thing.  This is exactly what happens every time in that
scenario.  It's not a new problem.

When we adopted the graph bindings for iMX DRM, I thought exactly at that
time "it would be nice if this could become the standard for binding DRM
components together" but I don't have the authority from either the DT
perspective or the DRM perspective to mandate that.  Neither does anyone
else.  That's the _real_ problem here.

I've seen several DRM bindings go by which don't use the of-graph stuff,
which means that they'll never be compatible with generic components
which do use the of-graph stuff.

Like you say, it's a mess, but it's a mess of our own making, because no
one has the authority to regulate this.

-- 
FTTC broadband for 0.8mile line: currently at 10.5Mbps down 400kbps up
according to speedtest.net.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-08-24 12:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 187+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-08-19 14:48 [PATCH v3 0/14] Add Analogix Core Display Port Driver Yakir Yang
2015-08-19 14:48 ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-19 14:49 ` [PATCH v3 01/14] drm: exynos/dp: fix code style Yakir Yang
2015-08-19 14:49   ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-19 14:49 ` [PATCH v3 02/14] drm: exynos/dp: convert to drm bridge mode Yakir Yang
2015-08-19 14:49   ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-19 14:50 ` [PATCH v3 03/14] drm: bridge: analogix_dp: split exynos dp driver to bridge dir Yakir Yang
2015-08-19 14:50   ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-19 14:50 ` [PATCH v3 04/14] drm: bridge/analogix_dp: dynamic parse sync_pol & interlace & colorimetry Yakir Yang
2015-08-19 14:50   ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-19 14:50 ` [PATCH v3 05/14] drm: bridge/analogix_dp: fix link_rate & lane_count bug Yakir Yang
2015-08-19 14:50   ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-20  7:22   ` Jingoo Han
2015-08-20  7:22     ` Jingoo Han
2015-08-20  7:22     ` Jingoo Han
2015-08-20  8:04     ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-20  8:04       ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-20  8:04       ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-19 14:50 ` [PATCH v3 06/14] Documentation: drm/bridge: add document for analogix_dp Yakir Yang
2015-08-19 14:50   ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-23 23:23   ` Rob Herring
2015-08-23 23:23     ` Rob Herring
2015-08-23 23:23     ` Rob Herring
2015-08-24  0:43     ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2015-08-24  0:43       ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2015-08-24  0:43       ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2015-08-24  2:42       ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-24  2:42         ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-24  4:20         ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2015-08-24  4:20           ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2015-08-24  4:20           ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2015-08-24 12:48           ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-24 12:48             ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-24 12:48             ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-24 13:03             ` Heiko Stuebner
2015-08-24 13:03               ` Heiko Stuebner
2015-08-24 13:03               ` Heiko Stuebner
2015-08-25  1:37               ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-25  1:37                 ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-25  1:37                 ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-24 23:49             ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2015-08-24 23:49               ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2015-08-24 23:49               ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
     [not found]               ` <55DBAD90.3040901-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-08-25  1:32                 ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-25  1:33               ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-25  1:33                 ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-25  1:33                 ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-25  1:35                 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2015-08-25  1:35                   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2015-08-25  1:35                   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2015-08-24  7:40       ` Jingoo Han
2015-08-24  7:40         ` Jingoo Han
2015-08-24  7:40         ` Jingoo Han
2015-08-24 12:55         ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-24 12:55           ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-24 12:55           ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-24  2:19     ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-24  2:19       ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-24 12:57     ` Russell King - ARM Linux [this message]
2015-08-24 12:57       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-08-24 12:57       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-08-24 14:48       ` Rob Herring
2015-08-24 14:48         ` Rob Herring
2015-08-24 14:48         ` Rob Herring
2015-08-24 16:16         ` Heiko Stuebner
2015-08-24 16:16           ` Heiko Stuebner
2015-08-24 16:16           ` Heiko Stuebner
2015-08-25  1:21         ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-25  1:21           ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-25  1:21           ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-25  9:12         ` Thierry Reding
2015-08-25  9:12           ` Thierry Reding
2015-08-25  9:12           ` Thierry Reding
2015-08-25  9:29           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-08-25  9:29             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-08-25  9:29             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-08-25 10:40             ` Thierry Reding
2015-08-25 10:40               ` Thierry Reding
2015-08-25 10:40               ` Thierry Reding
2015-08-25 10:52               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-08-25 10:52                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-08-25 10:52                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-08-25  9:41           ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-25  9:41             ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-25 10:06             ` Thierry Reding
2015-08-25 10:06               ` Thierry Reding
2015-08-25 10:06               ` Thierry Reding
2015-08-25 14:02               ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-25 14:02                 ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-25  9:15     ` Thierry Reding
2015-08-25  9:15       ` Thierry Reding
2015-08-25  9:15       ` Thierry Reding
2015-08-25  9:37       ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-25  9:37         ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-25 13:27       ` Rob Herring
2015-08-25 13:27         ` Rob Herring
2015-08-25 13:27         ` Rob Herring
2015-08-25 13:48         ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-25 14:16           ` Thierry Reding
2015-08-25 14:16             ` Thierry Reding
2015-08-25 14:16             ` Thierry Reding
2015-08-25 14:23             ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-25 14:23               ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-25  9:58   ` Thierry Reding
2015-08-25  9:58     ` Thierry Reding
2015-08-25  9:58     ` Thierry Reding
2015-08-25 14:03     ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-25 14:03       ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-25 14:21       ` Thierry Reding
2015-08-25 14:21         ` Thierry Reding
2015-08-25 14:21         ` Thierry Reding
2015-08-25 15:57         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-08-25 15:57           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-08-25 15:57           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-08-19 14:50 ` [PATCH v3 07/14] drm: rockchip/dp: add rockchip platform dp driver Yakir Yang
2015-08-19 14:50   ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-19 14:50   ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-19 14:51 ` [PATCH v3 08/14] phy: Add driver for rockchip Display Port PHY Yakir Yang
2015-08-19 14:51   ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-20  4:40   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2015-08-20  4:40     ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2015-08-20  4:40     ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2015-08-20  6:56     ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-20  7:01       ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-19 14:51 ` [PATCH v3 09/14] drm: bridge/analogix_dp: add platform device type support Yakir Yang
2015-08-19 14:51   ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-19 14:51   ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-19 14:51 ` [PATCH v3 10/14] drm: bridge: analogix_dp: add some rk3288 special registers setting Yakir Yang
2015-08-19 14:51   ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-19 14:51 ` [PATCH v3 11/14] drm: bridge: analogix_dp: try force hpd after plug in lookup failed Yakir Yang
2015-08-19 14:51   ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-19 14:52 ` [PATCH v3 12/14] drm: bridge/analogix_dp: expand the delay time for hpd detect Yakir Yang
2015-08-19 14:52   ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-19 14:52   ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-20  6:11   ` Jingoo Han
2015-08-20  6:11     ` Jingoo Han
2015-08-20  6:11     ` Jingoo Han
2015-08-20  8:02     ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-20  8:02       ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-20  8:02       ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-19 14:52 ` [PATCH v3 13/14] drm: bridge/analogix_dp: move hpd detect to connector detect function Yakir Yang
2015-08-19 14:52   ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-20  7:49   ` Jingoo Han
2015-08-20  7:49     ` Jingoo Han
2015-08-20  7:49     ` Jingoo Han
2015-08-20  8:18     ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-20  8:18       ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-20  8:18       ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-19 14:52 ` [PATCH v3 14/14] drm: bridge/analogix_dp: add edid modes parse in get_modes method Yakir Yang
2015-08-19 14:52   ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-19 23:54 ` [PATCH v3 0/14] Add Analogix Core Display Port Driver Dave Airlie
2015-08-19 23:54   ` Dave Airlie
2015-08-19 23:54   ` Dave Airlie
2015-08-20  1:02   ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-20  1:02     ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-20  1:02     ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-20  4:29 ` Archit Taneja
2015-08-20  4:29   ` Archit Taneja
2015-08-20  4:29   ` Archit Taneja
2015-08-20  5:54   ` Jingoo Han
2015-08-20  5:54     ` Jingoo Han
2015-08-20  5:54     ` Jingoo Han
2015-08-20  6:23     ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-20  6:23       ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-20  6:23       ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-20  6:55       ` Jingoo Han
2015-08-20  6:55         ` Jingoo Han
2015-08-20  6:55         ` Jingoo Han
2015-08-20  8:03         ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-20  8:03           ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-20  8:03           ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-21  8:20 ` Jingoo Han
2015-08-21  8:20   ` Jingoo Han
2015-08-21  8:20   ` Jingoo Han
2015-08-21 10:01   ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-21 11:24     ` Jingoo Han
2015-08-21 13:16       ` Thierry Reding
2015-08-21 13:16         ` Thierry Reding
2015-08-21 13:16         ` Thierry Reding
2015-08-22 10:13         ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-30 12:16         ` Romain Perier
2015-08-30 12:16           ` Romain Perier
2015-08-30 12:16           ` Romain Perier
2015-08-31  2:40           ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-31  2:40             ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-31  2:40             ` Yakir Yang
2015-08-22  9:42       ` Yakir Yang

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