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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
Cc: virtio-fs@redhat.com, linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org,
	miklos@szeredi.hu, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	dgilbert@redhat.com, Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	stefanha@redhat.com, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/19] dax: remove block device dependencies
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2019 23:58:09 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190828065809.GA27426@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190827163828.GA6859@redhat.com>

On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 12:38:28PM -0400, Vivek Goyal wrote:
> > For bdev_dax_pgoff
> > I'd much rather have the partition offset if there is on in the daxdev
> > somehow so that we can get rid of the block device entirely.
> 
> IIUC, there is one block_device per partition while there is only one
> dax_device for the whole disk. So we can't directly move bdev logical
> offset into dax_device.

Well, then we need to find a way to get partitions for dax devices,
as we really should not expect a block device hiding behind a dax
dev.  That is just a weird legacy assumption - block device need to
layer on top of the dax device optionally.

> 
> We probably could put this in "iomap" and leave it to filesystems to
> report offset into dax_dev in iomap that way dax generic code does not
> have to deal with it. But that probably will be a bigger change.

And where would the file system get that information from?

> commit 4b0228fa1d753f77fe0e6cf4c41398ec77dfbd2a
> Author: Vishal Verma <vishal.l.verma@intel.com>
> Date:   Thu Apr 21 15:13:46 2016 -0400
> 
>  dax: for truncate/hole-punch, do zeroing through the driver if possible
> 
> IIUC, they are doing it so that they can clear gendisk->badblocks list.
> 
> So even if there is pure dax way to do it, there will have to some
> involvment of block layer to clear gendisk->badblocks list.

Once again we need to move that list to the dax device, as the
assumption that there is a block device associated with the dax dev
is flawed.

> I am not sure I fully understand your suggestion. But I am hoping its
> not a must for these changes to make a progress. For now, I will drop
> change to dax_range_is_aligned().

Well, someone needs to clean this mess up, and as you have an actual
real life example of a dax dev without the block device I think the
burden naturally falls on you.
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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	miklos@szeredi.hu, linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, dgilbert@redhat.com,
	virtio-fs@redhat.com, stefanha@redhat.com,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/19] dax: remove block device dependencies
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2019 23:58:09 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190828065809.GA27426@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190827163828.GA6859@redhat.com>

On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 12:38:28PM -0400, Vivek Goyal wrote:
> > For bdev_dax_pgoff
> > I'd much rather have the partition offset if there is on in the daxdev
> > somehow so that we can get rid of the block device entirely.
> 
> IIUC, there is one block_device per partition while there is only one
> dax_device for the whole disk. So we can't directly move bdev logical
> offset into dax_device.

Well, then we need to find a way to get partitions for dax devices,
as we really should not expect a block device hiding behind a dax
dev.  That is just a weird legacy assumption - block device need to
layer on top of the dax device optionally.

> 
> We probably could put this in "iomap" and leave it to filesystems to
> report offset into dax_dev in iomap that way dax generic code does not
> have to deal with it. But that probably will be a bigger change.

And where would the file system get that information from?

> commit 4b0228fa1d753f77fe0e6cf4c41398ec77dfbd2a
> Author: Vishal Verma <vishal.l.verma@intel.com>
> Date:   Thu Apr 21 15:13:46 2016 -0400
> 
>  dax: for truncate/hole-punch, do zeroing through the driver if possible
> 
> IIUC, they are doing it so that they can clear gendisk->badblocks list.
> 
> So even if there is pure dax way to do it, there will have to some
> involvment of block layer to clear gendisk->badblocks list.

Once again we need to move that list to the dax device, as the
assumption that there is a block device associated with the dax dev
is flawed.

> I am not sure I fully understand your suggestion. But I am hoping its
> not a must for these changes to make a progress. For now, I will drop
> change to dax_range_is_aligned().

Well, someone needs to clean this mess up, and as you have an actual
real life example of a dax dev without the block device I think the
burden naturally falls on you.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
Cc: virtio-fs@redhat.com, linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org,
	miklos@szeredi.hu, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Virtio-fs] [PATCH 01/19] dax: remove block device dependencies
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2019 23:58:09 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190828065809.GA27426@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190827163828.GA6859@redhat.com>

On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 12:38:28PM -0400, Vivek Goyal wrote:
> > For bdev_dax_pgoff
> > I'd much rather have the partition offset if there is on in the daxdev
> > somehow so that we can get rid of the block device entirely.
> 
> IIUC, there is one block_device per partition while there is only one
> dax_device for the whole disk. So we can't directly move bdev logical
> offset into dax_device.

Well, then we need to find a way to get partitions for dax devices,
as we really should not expect a block device hiding behind a dax
dev.  That is just a weird legacy assumption - block device need to
layer on top of the dax device optionally.

> 
> We probably could put this in "iomap" and leave it to filesystems to
> report offset into dax_dev in iomap that way dax generic code does not
> have to deal with it. But that probably will be a bigger change.

And where would the file system get that information from?

> commit 4b0228fa1d753f77fe0e6cf4c41398ec77dfbd2a
> Author: Vishal Verma <vishal.l.verma@intel.com>
> Date:   Thu Apr 21 15:13:46 2016 -0400
> 
>  dax: for truncate/hole-punch, do zeroing through the driver if possible
> 
> IIUC, they are doing it so that they can clear gendisk->badblocks list.
> 
> So even if there is pure dax way to do it, there will have to some
> involvment of block layer to clear gendisk->badblocks list.

Once again we need to move that list to the dax device, as the
assumption that there is a block device associated with the dax dev
is flawed.

> I am not sure I fully understand your suggestion. But I am hoping its
> not a must for these changes to make a progress. For now, I will drop
> change to dax_range_is_aligned().

Well, someone needs to clean this mess up, and as you have an actual
real life example of a dax dev without the block device I think the
burden naturally falls on you.


  reply	other threads:[~2019-08-28  7:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 231+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-08-21 17:57 [PATCH v3 00/19][RFC] virtio-fs: Enable DAX support Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57 ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57 ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57 ` [PATCH 01/19] dax: remove block device dependencies Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-26 11:51   ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-26 11:51     ` [Virtio-fs] " Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-26 11:51     ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-27 16:38     ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-27 16:38       ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-27 16:38       ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-28  6:58       ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2019-08-28  6:58         ` [Virtio-fs] " Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-28  6:58         ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-28 17:58         ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-28 17:58           ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-28 17:58           ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-28 22:53           ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-28 22:53             ` [Virtio-fs] " Dave Chinner
2019-08-28 22:53             ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-29  0:04             ` Dan Williams
2019-08-29  0:04               ` [Virtio-fs] " Dan Williams
2019-08-29  0:04               ` Dan Williams
2019-08-29  9:32               ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-29  9:32                 ` [Virtio-fs] " Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-29  9:32                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-12-16 18:10               ` Vivek Goyal
2019-12-16 18:10                 ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-12-16 18:10                 ` Vivek Goyal
2020-01-07 12:51                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-01-07 12:51                   ` [Virtio-fs] " Christoph Hellwig
2020-01-07 12:51                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-01-07 14:22                   ` Dan Williams
2020-01-07 14:22                     ` [Virtio-fs] " Dan Williams
2020-01-07 14:22                     ` Dan Williams
2020-01-07 17:07                     ` Darrick J. Wong
2020-01-07 17:07                       ` [Virtio-fs] " Darrick J. Wong
2020-01-07 17:07                       ` Darrick J. Wong
2020-01-07 17:29                       ` Dan Williams
2020-01-07 17:29                         ` [Virtio-fs] " Dan Williams
2020-01-07 17:29                         ` Dan Williams
2020-01-07 18:01                         ` Vivek Goyal
2020-01-07 18:01                           ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2020-01-07 18:01                           ` Vivek Goyal
2020-01-07 18:07                           ` Dan Williams
2020-01-07 18:07                             ` [Virtio-fs] " Dan Williams
2020-01-07 18:07                             ` Dan Williams
2020-01-07 18:33                             ` Vivek Goyal
2020-01-07 18:33                               ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2020-01-07 18:33                               ` Vivek Goyal
2020-01-07 18:49                               ` Dan Williams
2020-01-07 18:49                                 ` [Virtio-fs] " Dan Williams
2020-01-07 18:49                                 ` Dan Williams
2020-01-07 19:02                                 ` Darrick J. Wong
2020-01-07 19:02                                   ` [Virtio-fs] " Darrick J. Wong
2020-01-07 19:02                                   ` Darrick J. Wong
2020-01-07 19:46                                   ` Dan Williams
2020-01-07 19:46                                     ` [Virtio-fs] " Dan Williams
2020-01-07 19:46                                     ` Dan Williams
2020-01-07 23:38                                     ` Dan Williams
2020-01-07 23:38                                       ` [Virtio-fs] " Dan Williams
2020-01-07 23:38                                       ` Dan Williams
2020-01-09 11:24                                 ` Jan Kara
2020-01-09 11:24                                   ` [Virtio-fs] " Jan Kara
2020-01-09 11:24                                   ` Jan Kara
2020-01-09 20:03                                   ` Dan Williams
2020-01-09 20:03                                     ` [Virtio-fs] " Dan Williams
2020-01-09 20:03                                     ` Dan Williams
2020-01-10 12:36                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-01-10 12:36                                       ` [Virtio-fs] " Christoph Hellwig
2020-01-10 12:36                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-01-14 20:31                                     ` Vivek Goyal
2020-01-14 20:31                                       ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2020-01-14 20:31                                       ` Vivek Goyal
2020-01-14 20:39                                       ` Dan Williams
2020-01-14 20:39                                         ` [Virtio-fs] " Dan Williams
2020-01-14 20:39                                         ` Dan Williams
2020-01-14 21:28                                         ` Vivek Goyal
2020-01-14 21:28                                           ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2020-01-14 21:28                                           ` Vivek Goyal
2020-01-14 22:23                                           ` Dan Williams
2020-01-14 22:23                                             ` [Virtio-fs] " Dan Williams
2020-01-14 22:23                                             ` Dan Williams
2020-01-15 19:56                                             ` Vivek Goyal
2020-01-15 19:56                                               ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2020-01-15 19:56                                               ` Vivek Goyal
2020-01-15 20:17                                               ` Dan Williams
2020-01-15 20:17                                                 ` [Virtio-fs] " Dan Williams
2020-01-15 20:17                                                 ` Dan Williams
2020-01-15 21:08                                                 ` Jeff Moyer
2020-01-15 21:08                                                   ` [Virtio-fs] " Jeff Moyer
2020-01-15 21:08                                                   ` Jeff Moyer
2020-01-16 18:09                                                   ` Dan Williams
2020-01-16 18:09                                                     ` [Virtio-fs] " Dan Williams
2020-01-16 18:09                                                     ` Dan Williams
2020-01-16 18:39                                                     ` Vivek Goyal
2020-01-16 18:39                                                       ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2020-01-16 18:39                                                       ` Vivek Goyal
2020-01-16 19:09                                                       ` Dan Williams
2020-01-16 19:09                                                         ` [Virtio-fs] " Dan Williams
2020-01-16 19:09                                                         ` Dan Williams
2020-01-16 19:23                                                         ` Vivek Goyal
2020-01-16 19:23                                                           ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2020-01-16 19:23                                                           ` Vivek Goyal
2020-02-11 17:33                                                     ` Vivek Goyal
2020-02-11 17:33                                                       ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2020-02-11 17:33                                                       ` Vivek Goyal
2020-01-15  9:03                                           ` Jan Kara
2020-01-15  9:03                                             ` [Virtio-fs] " Jan Kara
2020-01-15  9:03                                             ` Jan Kara
2019-08-21 17:57 ` [PATCH 02/19] dax: Pass dax_dev to dax_writeback_mapping_range() Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-26 11:53   ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-26 11:53     ` [Virtio-fs] " Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-26 11:53     ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-26 20:33     ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-26 20:33       ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-26 20:33       ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-26 20:58       ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-26 20:58         ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-26 20:58         ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-26 21:33         ` Dan Williams
2019-08-26 21:33           ` [Virtio-fs] " Dan Williams
2019-08-26 21:33           ` Dan Williams
2019-08-28  6:58         ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-28  6:58           ` [Virtio-fs] " Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-28  6:58           ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-01-03 14:12         ` Vivek Goyal
2020-01-03 14:12           ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2020-01-03 14:12           ` Vivek Goyal
2020-01-03 18:12           ` Dan Williams
2020-01-03 18:12             ` [Virtio-fs] " Dan Williams
2020-01-03 18:12             ` Dan Williams
2020-01-03 18:18             ` Dan Williams
2020-01-03 18:18               ` [Virtio-fs] " Dan Williams
2020-01-03 18:18               ` Dan Williams
2020-01-03 18:33               ` Vivek Goyal
2020-01-03 18:33                 ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2020-01-03 18:33                 ` Vivek Goyal
2020-01-03 19:30                 ` Dan Williams
2020-01-03 19:30                   ` [Virtio-fs] " Dan Williams
2020-01-03 19:30                   ` Dan Williams
2020-01-03 18:43               ` Vivek Goyal
2020-01-03 18:43                 ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2020-01-03 18:43                 ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-27 13:45       ` Jan Kara
2019-08-27 13:45         ` [Virtio-fs] " Jan Kara
2019-08-27 13:45         ` Jan Kara
2019-08-21 17:57 ` [PATCH 03/19] virtio: Add get_shm_region method Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57 ` [PATCH 04/19] virtio: Implement get_shm_region for PCI transport Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-26  1:43   ` [Virtio-fs] " piaojun
2019-08-26  1:43     ` piaojun
2019-08-26  1:43     ` piaojun
2019-08-26 13:06     ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-26 13:06       ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-26 13:06       ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-27  9:41       ` piaojun
2019-08-27  9:41         ` piaojun
2019-08-27  9:41         ` piaojun
2019-08-27  8:34   ` Cornelia Huck
2019-08-27  8:34     ` [Virtio-fs] " Cornelia Huck
2019-08-27  8:34     ` Cornelia Huck
2019-08-27  8:46     ` Cornelia Huck
2019-08-27  8:46       ` [Virtio-fs] " Cornelia Huck
2019-08-27  8:46       ` Cornelia Huck
2019-08-27 11:53     ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-27 11:53       ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-27 11:53       ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57 ` [PATCH 05/19] virtio: Implement get_shm_region for MMIO transport Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-27  8:39   ` Cornelia Huck
2019-08-27  8:39     ` [Virtio-fs] " Cornelia Huck
2019-08-27  8:39     ` Cornelia Huck
2019-08-27 11:54     ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-27 11:54       ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-27 11:54       ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57 ` [PATCH 06/19] fuse, dax: add fuse_conn->dax_dev field Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57 ` [PATCH 07/19] virtio_fs, dax: Set up virtio_fs dax_device Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57 ` [PATCH 08/19] fuse: Keep a list of free dax memory ranges Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57 ` [PATCH 09/19] fuse: implement FUSE_INIT map_alignment field Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57 ` [PATCH 10/19] fuse: Introduce setupmapping/removemapping commands Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57 ` [PATCH 11/19] fuse, dax: Implement dax read/write operations Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 19:49   ` Liu Bo
2019-08-21 19:49     ` [Virtio-fs] " Liu Bo
2019-08-21 19:49     ` Liu Bo
2019-08-22 12:59     ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-22 12:59       ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-22 12:59       ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57 ` [PATCH 12/19] fuse, dax: add DAX mmap support Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57 ` [PATCH 13/19] fuse: Define dax address space operations Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57 ` [PATCH 14/19] fuse, dax: Take ->i_mmap_sem lock during dax page fault Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57 ` [PATCH 15/19] fuse: Maintain a list of busy elements Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57 ` [PATCH 16/19] dax: Create a range version of dax_layout_busy_page() Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57 ` [PATCH 17/19] fuse: Add logic to free up a memory range Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57 ` [PATCH 18/19] fuse: Release file in process context Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57 ` [PATCH 19/19] fuse: Take inode lock for dax inode truncation Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` Vivek Goyal

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