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From: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	"Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong@oracle.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
	linux-nvdimm <linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	virtio-fs@redhat.com, Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/19] dax: remove block device dependencies
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 13:39:00 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200116183900.GC25291@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPcyv4hCR9NV+2MF0iAJ5rHS2uiOgTnu=+yQRfpieDJQpQz22w@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 10:09:46AM -0800, Dan Williams wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 1:08 PM Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Dan,
> >
> > Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> writes:
> >
> > > I'm going to take a look at how hard it would be to develop a kpartx
> > > fallback in udev. If that can live across the driver transition then
> > > maybe this can be a non-event for end users that already have that
> > > udev update deployed.
> >
> > I just wanted to remind you that label-less dimms still exist, and are
> > still being shipped.  For those devices, the only way to subdivide the
> > storage is via partitioning.
> 
> True, but if kpartx + udev can make this transparent then I don't
> think users lose any functionality. They just gain a device-mapper
> dependency.

So udev rules will trigger when a /dev/pmemX device shows up and run
kpartx which in turn will create dm-linear devices and device nodes
will show up in /dev/mapper/pmemXpY.

IOW, /dev/pmemXpY device nodes will be gone. So if any of the scripts or
systemd unit files are depenent on /dev/pmemXpY, these will still be
broken out of the box and will have to be modified to use device nodes
in /dev/mapper/ directory instead. Do I understand it right, Or I missed
the idea completely.

Vivek
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From: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Cc: Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@redhat.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	"Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong@oracle.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
	linux-nvdimm <linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	virtio-fs@redhat.com, Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/19] dax: remove block device dependencies
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 13:39:00 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200116183900.GC25291@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPcyv4hCR9NV+2MF0iAJ5rHS2uiOgTnu=+yQRfpieDJQpQz22w@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 10:09:46AM -0800, Dan Williams wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 1:08 PM Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Dan,
> >
> > Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> writes:
> >
> > > I'm going to take a look at how hard it would be to develop a kpartx
> > > fallback in udev. If that can live across the driver transition then
> > > maybe this can be a non-event for end users that already have that
> > > udev update deployed.
> >
> > I just wanted to remind you that label-less dimms still exist, and are
> > still being shipped.  For those devices, the only way to subdivide the
> > storage is via partitioning.
> 
> True, but if kpartx + udev can make this transparent then I don't
> think users lose any functionality. They just gain a device-mapper
> dependency.

So udev rules will trigger when a /dev/pmemX device shows up and run
kpartx which in turn will create dm-linear devices and device nodes
will show up in /dev/mapper/pmemXpY.

IOW, /dev/pmemXpY device nodes will be gone. So if any of the scripts or
systemd unit files are depenent on /dev/pmemXpY, these will still be
broken out of the box and will have to be modified to use device nodes
in /dev/mapper/ directory instead. Do I understand it right, Or I missed
the idea completely.

Vivek


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Cc: virtio-fs@redhat.com, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
	"Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong@oracle.com>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	linux-nvdimm <linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org>,
	Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@redhat.com>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [Virtio-fs] [PATCH 01/19] dax: remove block device dependencies
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 13:39:00 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200116183900.GC25291@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPcyv4hCR9NV+2MF0iAJ5rHS2uiOgTnu=+yQRfpieDJQpQz22w@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 10:09:46AM -0800, Dan Williams wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 1:08 PM Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Dan,
> >
> > Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> writes:
> >
> > > I'm going to take a look at how hard it would be to develop a kpartx
> > > fallback in udev. If that can live across the driver transition then
> > > maybe this can be a non-event for end users that already have that
> > > udev update deployed.
> >
> > I just wanted to remind you that label-less dimms still exist, and are
> > still being shipped.  For those devices, the only way to subdivide the
> > storage is via partitioning.
> 
> True, but if kpartx + udev can make this transparent then I don't
> think users lose any functionality. They just gain a device-mapper
> dependency.

So udev rules will trigger when a /dev/pmemX device shows up and run
kpartx which in turn will create dm-linear devices and device nodes
will show up in /dev/mapper/pmemXpY.

IOW, /dev/pmemXpY device nodes will be gone. So if any of the scripts or
systemd unit files are depenent on /dev/pmemXpY, these will still be
broken out of the box and will have to be modified to use device nodes
in /dev/mapper/ directory instead. Do I understand it right, Or I missed
the idea completely.

Vivek


  reply	other threads:[~2020-01-16 18:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 231+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-08-21 17:57 [PATCH v3 00/19][RFC] virtio-fs: Enable DAX support Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57 ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57 ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57 ` [PATCH 01/19] dax: remove block device dependencies Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-26 11:51   ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-26 11:51     ` [Virtio-fs] " Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-26 11:51     ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-27 16:38     ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-27 16:38       ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-27 16:38       ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-28  6:58       ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-28  6:58         ` [Virtio-fs] " Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-28  6:58         ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-28 17:58         ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-28 17:58           ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-28 17:58           ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-28 22:53           ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-28 22:53             ` [Virtio-fs] " Dave Chinner
2019-08-28 22:53             ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-29  0:04             ` Dan Williams
2019-08-29  0:04               ` [Virtio-fs] " Dan Williams
2019-08-29  0:04               ` Dan Williams
2019-08-29  9:32               ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-29  9:32                 ` [Virtio-fs] " Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-29  9:32                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-12-16 18:10               ` Vivek Goyal
2019-12-16 18:10                 ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-12-16 18:10                 ` Vivek Goyal
2020-01-07 12:51                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-01-07 12:51                   ` [Virtio-fs] " Christoph Hellwig
2020-01-07 12:51                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-01-07 14:22                   ` Dan Williams
2020-01-07 14:22                     ` [Virtio-fs] " Dan Williams
2020-01-07 14:22                     ` Dan Williams
2020-01-07 17:07                     ` Darrick J. Wong
2020-01-07 17:07                       ` [Virtio-fs] " Darrick J. Wong
2020-01-07 17:07                       ` Darrick J. Wong
2020-01-07 17:29                       ` Dan Williams
2020-01-07 17:29                         ` [Virtio-fs] " Dan Williams
2020-01-07 17:29                         ` Dan Williams
2020-01-07 18:01                         ` Vivek Goyal
2020-01-07 18:01                           ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2020-01-07 18:01                           ` Vivek Goyal
2020-01-07 18:07                           ` Dan Williams
2020-01-07 18:07                             ` [Virtio-fs] " Dan Williams
2020-01-07 18:07                             ` Dan Williams
2020-01-07 18:33                             ` Vivek Goyal
2020-01-07 18:33                               ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2020-01-07 18:33                               ` Vivek Goyal
2020-01-07 18:49                               ` Dan Williams
2020-01-07 18:49                                 ` [Virtio-fs] " Dan Williams
2020-01-07 18:49                                 ` Dan Williams
2020-01-07 19:02                                 ` Darrick J. Wong
2020-01-07 19:02                                   ` [Virtio-fs] " Darrick J. Wong
2020-01-07 19:02                                   ` Darrick J. Wong
2020-01-07 19:46                                   ` Dan Williams
2020-01-07 19:46                                     ` [Virtio-fs] " Dan Williams
2020-01-07 19:46                                     ` Dan Williams
2020-01-07 23:38                                     ` Dan Williams
2020-01-07 23:38                                       ` [Virtio-fs] " Dan Williams
2020-01-07 23:38                                       ` Dan Williams
2020-01-09 11:24                                 ` Jan Kara
2020-01-09 11:24                                   ` [Virtio-fs] " Jan Kara
2020-01-09 11:24                                   ` Jan Kara
2020-01-09 20:03                                   ` Dan Williams
2020-01-09 20:03                                     ` [Virtio-fs] " Dan Williams
2020-01-09 20:03                                     ` Dan Williams
2020-01-10 12:36                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-01-10 12:36                                       ` [Virtio-fs] " Christoph Hellwig
2020-01-10 12:36                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-01-14 20:31                                     ` Vivek Goyal
2020-01-14 20:31                                       ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2020-01-14 20:31                                       ` Vivek Goyal
2020-01-14 20:39                                       ` Dan Williams
2020-01-14 20:39                                         ` [Virtio-fs] " Dan Williams
2020-01-14 20:39                                         ` Dan Williams
2020-01-14 21:28                                         ` Vivek Goyal
2020-01-14 21:28                                           ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2020-01-14 21:28                                           ` Vivek Goyal
2020-01-14 22:23                                           ` Dan Williams
2020-01-14 22:23                                             ` [Virtio-fs] " Dan Williams
2020-01-14 22:23                                             ` Dan Williams
2020-01-15 19:56                                             ` Vivek Goyal
2020-01-15 19:56                                               ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2020-01-15 19:56                                               ` Vivek Goyal
2020-01-15 20:17                                               ` Dan Williams
2020-01-15 20:17                                                 ` [Virtio-fs] " Dan Williams
2020-01-15 20:17                                                 ` Dan Williams
2020-01-15 21:08                                                 ` Jeff Moyer
2020-01-15 21:08                                                   ` [Virtio-fs] " Jeff Moyer
2020-01-15 21:08                                                   ` Jeff Moyer
2020-01-16 18:09                                                   ` Dan Williams
2020-01-16 18:09                                                     ` [Virtio-fs] " Dan Williams
2020-01-16 18:09                                                     ` Dan Williams
2020-01-16 18:39                                                     ` Vivek Goyal [this message]
2020-01-16 18:39                                                       ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2020-01-16 18:39                                                       ` Vivek Goyal
2020-01-16 19:09                                                       ` Dan Williams
2020-01-16 19:09                                                         ` [Virtio-fs] " Dan Williams
2020-01-16 19:09                                                         ` Dan Williams
2020-01-16 19:23                                                         ` Vivek Goyal
2020-01-16 19:23                                                           ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2020-01-16 19:23                                                           ` Vivek Goyal
2020-02-11 17:33                                                     ` Vivek Goyal
2020-02-11 17:33                                                       ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2020-02-11 17:33                                                       ` Vivek Goyal
2020-01-15  9:03                                           ` Jan Kara
2020-01-15  9:03                                             ` [Virtio-fs] " Jan Kara
2020-01-15  9:03                                             ` Jan Kara
2019-08-21 17:57 ` [PATCH 02/19] dax: Pass dax_dev to dax_writeback_mapping_range() Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-26 11:53   ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-26 11:53     ` [Virtio-fs] " Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-26 11:53     ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-26 20:33     ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-26 20:33       ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-26 20:33       ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-26 20:58       ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-26 20:58         ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-26 20:58         ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-26 21:33         ` Dan Williams
2019-08-26 21:33           ` [Virtio-fs] " Dan Williams
2019-08-26 21:33           ` Dan Williams
2019-08-28  6:58         ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-28  6:58           ` [Virtio-fs] " Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-28  6:58           ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-01-03 14:12         ` Vivek Goyal
2020-01-03 14:12           ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2020-01-03 14:12           ` Vivek Goyal
2020-01-03 18:12           ` Dan Williams
2020-01-03 18:12             ` [Virtio-fs] " Dan Williams
2020-01-03 18:12             ` Dan Williams
2020-01-03 18:18             ` Dan Williams
2020-01-03 18:18               ` [Virtio-fs] " Dan Williams
2020-01-03 18:18               ` Dan Williams
2020-01-03 18:33               ` Vivek Goyal
2020-01-03 18:33                 ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2020-01-03 18:33                 ` Vivek Goyal
2020-01-03 19:30                 ` Dan Williams
2020-01-03 19:30                   ` [Virtio-fs] " Dan Williams
2020-01-03 19:30                   ` Dan Williams
2020-01-03 18:43               ` Vivek Goyal
2020-01-03 18:43                 ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2020-01-03 18:43                 ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-27 13:45       ` Jan Kara
2019-08-27 13:45         ` [Virtio-fs] " Jan Kara
2019-08-27 13:45         ` Jan Kara
2019-08-21 17:57 ` [PATCH 03/19] virtio: Add get_shm_region method Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57 ` [PATCH 04/19] virtio: Implement get_shm_region for PCI transport Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-26  1:43   ` [Virtio-fs] " piaojun
2019-08-26  1:43     ` piaojun
2019-08-26  1:43     ` piaojun
2019-08-26 13:06     ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-26 13:06       ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-26 13:06       ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-27  9:41       ` piaojun
2019-08-27  9:41         ` piaojun
2019-08-27  9:41         ` piaojun
2019-08-27  8:34   ` Cornelia Huck
2019-08-27  8:34     ` [Virtio-fs] " Cornelia Huck
2019-08-27  8:34     ` Cornelia Huck
2019-08-27  8:46     ` Cornelia Huck
2019-08-27  8:46       ` [Virtio-fs] " Cornelia Huck
2019-08-27  8:46       ` Cornelia Huck
2019-08-27 11:53     ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-27 11:53       ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-27 11:53       ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57 ` [PATCH 05/19] virtio: Implement get_shm_region for MMIO transport Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-27  8:39   ` Cornelia Huck
2019-08-27  8:39     ` [Virtio-fs] " Cornelia Huck
2019-08-27  8:39     ` Cornelia Huck
2019-08-27 11:54     ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-27 11:54       ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-27 11:54       ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57 ` [PATCH 06/19] fuse, dax: add fuse_conn->dax_dev field Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57 ` [PATCH 07/19] virtio_fs, dax: Set up virtio_fs dax_device Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57 ` [PATCH 08/19] fuse: Keep a list of free dax memory ranges Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57 ` [PATCH 09/19] fuse: implement FUSE_INIT map_alignment field Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57 ` [PATCH 10/19] fuse: Introduce setupmapping/removemapping commands Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57 ` [PATCH 11/19] fuse, dax: Implement dax read/write operations Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 19:49   ` Liu Bo
2019-08-21 19:49     ` [Virtio-fs] " Liu Bo
2019-08-21 19:49     ` Liu Bo
2019-08-22 12:59     ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-22 12:59       ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-22 12:59       ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57 ` [PATCH 12/19] fuse, dax: add DAX mmap support Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57 ` [PATCH 13/19] fuse: Define dax address space operations Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57 ` [PATCH 14/19] fuse, dax: Take ->i_mmap_sem lock during dax page fault Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57 ` [PATCH 15/19] fuse: Maintain a list of busy elements Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57 ` [PATCH 16/19] dax: Create a range version of dax_layout_busy_page() Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57 ` [PATCH 17/19] fuse: Add logic to free up a memory range Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57 ` [PATCH 18/19] fuse: Release file in process context Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57 ` [PATCH 19/19] fuse: Take inode lock for dax inode truncation Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2019-08-21 17:57   ` Vivek Goyal

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