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From: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@redhat.com>
To: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@redhat.com>,
	Jon Smirl <jonsmirl@gmail.com>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>,
	Krzysztof Halasa <khc@pm.waw.pl>,
	hermann pitton <hermann-pitton@arcor.de>,
	Christoph Bartelmus <lirc@bartelmus.de>,
	awalls@radix.net, j@jannau.net, jarod@redhat.com,
	jarod@wilsonet.com, kraxel@redhat.com,
	linux-input@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-media@vger.kernel.org, superm1@ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: [RFC] What are the goals for the architecture of an in-kernel IR 	system?
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 12:17:34 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4BACD00E.7040401@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100326122317.GC5387@hardeman.nu>

David Härdeman wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:42:33AM -0300, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
>>>        2) add current_protocol support on other drivers;
>> Done. Patch were already merged upstream.
>>
>> The current_protocol attribute shows the protocol(s) that the device is accepting
>> and allows changing it to another protocol. 
>>
>> In the case of the em28xx hardware, only one protocol can be active, since the decoder
>> is inside the hardware. 
>>
>> On the raw IR decode implementation I've done at the saa7134, all raw pulse events are
>> sent to all registered decoders, so I'm thinking on using this sysfs node to allow
>> disabling the standard behavior of passing the IR codes to all decoders, routing it
>> to just one decoder.
>>
>> Another alternative would be to show current_protocol only for devices with hardware
>> decoder, and create one sysfs node for each decoder, allowing enabling/disabling each
>> decoder individually.
> 
> You're eventually going to want to add ioctl's to set a lot of TX or RX 
> parameters in one go (stuff like active receiver(s) and transmitter(s), 
> carrier frequency, duty cycle, timeouts, filter levels and resolution - 
> all of which would need to be set in one operation since some hardware 
> will need to be reset after each parameter is changed).

TX is a completely different history. It has nothing to do with input event
subsystem. So, another approach should be taken for it.

I haven't seen yet a hardware decoder with such parameters, but maybe I just
don't have enough specs here to adjust them. Anyway, one simple way to avoid
resetting the hardware for every new parameter change would be to use a timer
for reset. This way, an userspace application or script that is touching on 
several parameters would just send the complete RX init sequence and
after some dozens of milliseconds, the hardware will load the new parameters.

> Then you'll end up with a few things being controlled via sysfs and some 
> being controlled via ioctls. Maybe it's a good idea to have a bitmask of 
> supported and enabled protocols in those ioctls instead?

There's an interesting discussion about bitmasks x a list of enumerated values
as a way to represent a bitmask into a series of values on sysfs,
at http://lwn.net/Articles/378219/  (see "A critical look at sysfs attribute values"
article there).

That's said, I'm starting to think that the better is to have some differentiation
there between hardware and software decoders. IMO, software decoders are better
handled with an "enabled" attribute, per software decoder, inside each irrcv.

In the case of hardware decoders, just one attribute is enough to control it. I think
it should be a bitmask parameter, but presented with their aliases, like for example:
	$cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors
	ondemand conservative performance 

This is clearly a bitmask, but it is presented as textual values, instead of a
magic number.

So, we may have
	/sys/class/irrcv/irrcv0/supported_protocols

as, for example:
	RC-5 NEC

and allow setting current_protocol as just "RC-5" or, if the hardware supports
more than one decoder at the same time, as "RC-5 NEC".

-- 

Cheers,
Mauro

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@redhat.com>
To: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@redhat.com>,
	Jon Smirl <jonsmirl@gmail.com>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>,
	Krzysztof Halasa <khc@pm.waw.pl>
Subject: Re: [RFC] What are the goals for the architecture of an in-kernel IR 	system?
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 12:17:34 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4BACD00E.7040401@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100326122317.GC5387@hardeman.nu>

David Härdeman wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:42:33AM -0300, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
>>>        2) add current_protocol support on other drivers;
>> Done. Patch were already merged upstream.
>>
>> The current_protocol attribute shows the protocol(s) that the device is accepting
>> and allows changing it to another protocol. 
>>
>> In the case of the em28xx hardware, only one protocol can be active, since the decoder
>> is inside the hardware. 
>>
>> On the raw IR decode implementation I've done at the saa7134, all raw pulse events are
>> sent to all registered decoders, so I'm thinking on using this sysfs node to allow
>> disabling the standard behavior of passing the IR codes to all decoders, routing it
>> to just one decoder.
>>
>> Another alternative would be to show current_protocol only for devices with hardware
>> decoder, and create one sysfs node for each decoder, allowing enabling/disabling each
>> decoder individually.
> 
> You're eventually going to want to add ioctl's to set a lot of TX or RX 
> parameters in one go (stuff like active receiver(s) and transmitter(s), 
> carrier frequency, duty cycle, timeouts, filter levels and resolution - 
> all of which would need to be set in one operation since some hardware 
> will need to be reset after each parameter is changed).

TX is a completely different history. It has nothing to do with input event
subsystem. So, another approach should be taken for it.

I haven't seen yet a hardware decoder with such parameters, but maybe I just
don't have enough specs here to adjust them. Anyway, one simple way to avoid
resetting the hardware for every new parameter change would be to use a timer
for reset. This way, an userspace application or script that is touching on 
several parameters would just send the complete RX init sequence and
after some dozens of milliseconds, the hardware will load the new parameters.

> Then you'll end up with a few things being controlled via sysfs and some 
> being controlled via ioctls. Maybe it's a good idea to have a bitmask of 
> supported and enabled protocols in those ioctls instead?

There's an interesting discussion about bitmasks x a list of enumerated values
as a way to represent a bitmask into a series of values on sysfs,
at http://lwn.net/Articles/378219/  (see "A critical look at sysfs attribute values"
article there).

That's said, I'm starting to think that the better is to have some differentiation
there between hardware and software decoders. IMO, software decoders are better
handled with an "enabled" attribute, per software decoder, inside each irrcv.

In the case of hardware decoders, just one attribute is enough to control it. I think
it should be a bitmask parameter, but presented with their aliases, like for example:
	$cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors
	ondemand conservative performance 

This is clearly a bitmask, but it is presented as textual values, instead of a
magic number.

So, we may have
	/sys/class/irrcv/irrcv0/supported_protocols

as, for example:
	RC-5 NEC

and allow setting current_protocol as just "RC-5" or, if the hardware supports
more than one decoder at the same time, as "RC-5 NEC".

-- 

Cheers,
Mauro
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2009-11-27 15:57 [RFC] What are the goals for the architecture of an in-kernel IR system? Jon Smirl
2009-11-27 15:57 ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-27 16:57 ` Andy Walls
2009-11-27 17:29 ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-27 17:29   ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-27 17:49   ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-27 17:49     ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-27 19:03     ` Ferenc Wagner
2009-11-27 19:21       ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-27 19:21         ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-28  1:34         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-29 12:01     ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-29 12:01       ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-30 10:41       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-30 19:49         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-30 21:35       ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-30 21:35         ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-01  7:45         ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-12-01  7:45           ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-12-01 11:38           ` Andy Walls
2009-12-01 14:10             ` Maxim Levitsky
2009-12-03 17:31           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-12-03 17:31             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-28  9:04   ` Simon Kenyon
2009-11-28  9:04     ` Simon Kenyon
2009-11-28  9:04     ` Simon Kenyon
2009-11-28 11:21   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-29 11:50     ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-29 11:50       ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-30 12:34       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-01  9:52         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-01 13:11           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-01 14:32           ` Jarod Wilson
2009-12-01 10:20       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-01 14:14         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-01 15:28           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-03  4:29             ` Jarod Wilson
2009-12-03 12:09               ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-03 17:55                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-03 18:33                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-04 10:06                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-04 14:12                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-04 15:42                         ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-04 15:42                           ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-06  7:09                         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-06 11:03                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-06 20:19                             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-12-08  0:00                               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 14:06                                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-12-07  7:48                             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-07 15:34                               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-07 18:34                                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-07 23:01                                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-06  7:14                         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-06 11:23                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-03 18:56                   ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-03 18:56                     ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-03 18:56                     ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-03 21:10                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-03 21:51                   ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-12-03 21:51                     ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-12-03 22:12                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-04  7:37                       ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-12-04  7:37                         ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-12-04 14:33                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-04 21:46                           ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-12-04 21:46                             ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-12-04 22:07                             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-04 23:01                               ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-12-04 23:01                                 ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-12-04 23:15                                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-06 11:58                                   ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-12-06 11:58                                     ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-12-07  7:51                                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-08 22:27                                       ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-12-08 22:27                                         ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-12-05  0:28                                 ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-05  0:28                                   ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-05  1:48                                   ` Andy Walls
2009-12-05  2:10                                     ` Andy Walls
2009-12-05  3:45                                     ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-05  3:45                                       ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-06  2:30                                       ` Andy Walls
2009-12-06 17:26                                         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-12-12 22:52                                           ` david
2009-12-06  3:36                                   ` hermann pitton
2009-12-06  6:55                                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-06 11:46                                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-06 17:48                                         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-12-06 17:52                                           ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-06 17:52                                             ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-06 20:34                                             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-12-06 21:23                                               ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-06 21:23                                                 ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-07 23:44                                                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08  0:28                                                   ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08  0:28                                                     ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08  0:28                                                     ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 11:17                                                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 13:34                                                       ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 13:34                                                         ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 13:34                                                         ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 14:56                                                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 22:25                                                         ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-12-08 22:25                                                           ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-12-08 17:04                                                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-08 13:54                                                     ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-12-08  4:23                                                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-08 11:58                                                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 14:01                                                       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-12-08 14:13                                                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 15:26                                                           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-12-08 15:41                                                             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 17:12                                                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-08 13:57                                                     ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-12-08 17:25                                                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-08 13:52                                                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-12-08 14:07                                                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 14:51                                                       ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 14:51                                                         ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 15:29                                                       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-12-08 15:49                                                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 16:26                                                           ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 16:26                                                             ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08  4:10                                                 ` Andy Walls
2009-12-08 22:30                                                   ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-12-08 22:30                                                     ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-12-09  2:21                                                     ` Andy Walls
2009-12-07 18:41                                               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-07 20:08                                                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-12-07 21:38                                                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-08 15:24                                                     ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-12-08  0:44                                                 ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08  0:44                                                   ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 11:23                                                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-13 12:14                                                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-15 11:50                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-15 13:33                                                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-15 13:43                                                       ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-15 13:43                                                         ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-15 13:43                                                         ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-15 14:19                                                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-15 19:58                                                       ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-15 20:14                                                         ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-15 20:14                                                           ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-15 20:19                                                           ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-15 20:19                                                             ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-15 20:29                                                             ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-15 20:29                                                               ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-15 20:33                                                               ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-15 20:45                                                                 ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-15 20:45                                                                   ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-15 20:45                                                                   ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-15 21:05                                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-15 21:05                                                                     ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-15 21:38                                                                   ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-15 21:38                                                                     ` Jon Smirl
2010-03-25 14:42                                                                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2010-03-25 18:32                                                                       ` Pavel Machek
2010-03-25 19:00                                                                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2010-03-26 11:04                                                                         ` David Härdeman
2010-03-26 11:04                                                                           ` David Härdeman
2010-03-26 11:27                                                                       ` David Härdeman
2010-03-26 11:27                                                                         ` David Härdeman
2010-03-26 14:40                                                                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2010-03-26 14:40                                                                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2010-03-26 16:01                                                                           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-03-26 16:01                                                                             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-03-26 17:22                                                                             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2010-03-26 19:07                                                                               ` David Härdeman
2010-03-26 19:07                                                                                 ` David Härdeman
2010-03-26 22:37                                                                               ` Jon Smirl
2010-03-26 22:37                                                                                 ` Jon Smirl
2010-03-26 22:37                                                                                 ` Jon Smirl
2010-03-27  8:27                                                                                 ` David Härdeman
2010-03-28 23:22                                                                             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2010-03-28 23:22                                                                               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2010-03-29  0:51                                                                               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2010-03-30 11:01                                                                                 ` David Härdeman
2010-03-31  6:01                                                                                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2010-03-31  6:01                                                                                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2010-03-30 11:09                                                                               ` David Härdeman
2010-03-30 11:09                                                                                 ` David Härdeman
2010-03-30 12:43                                                                                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2010-03-30 12:43                                                                                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2010-03-26 12:23                                                                       ` David Härdeman
2010-03-26 15:17                                                                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab [this message]
2010-03-26 15:17                                                                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2010-03-26 19:21                                                                           ` David Härdeman
2010-03-26 19:21                                                                             ` David Härdeman
2010-03-27  5:56                                                                             ` Pavel Machek
2010-03-27  5:56                                                                               ` Pavel Machek
2010-04-09  7:21                                                                       ` James Hogan
2010-04-09 10:50                                                                         ` Andy Walls
2010-04-09 12:58                                                                           ` Jarod Wilson
2010-04-09 13:02                                                                             ` Jon Smirl
2010-04-09 13:02                                                                               ` Jon Smirl
2010-04-09 13:02                                                                               ` Jon Smirl
2010-04-09 13:01                                                                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2010-04-09 21:42                                                                             ` James Hogan
2010-04-09 21:55                                                                             ` Devin Heitmueller
2010-04-09 21:55                                                                               ` Devin Heitmueller
2010-04-09 22:14                                                                               ` Andy Walls
2010-04-09 23:32                                                                                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2010-04-10  0:18                                                                                   ` Jon Smirl
2010-04-10  0:18                                                                                     ` Jon Smirl
2010-04-10  1:01                                                                                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2010-04-10  0:38                                                                                   ` hermann pitton
2009-12-07 15:36                                             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-06 11:59                                       ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-12-06 11:59                                         ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-12-15 11:47                                         ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-06 12:12                                   ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-12-06 12:12                                     ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-12-06 16:38                                     ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-06 16:38                                       ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-06 16:38                                       ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-06 20:22                                       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-12-07 23:50                                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-03 23:45                   ` Andy Walls
2009-12-03 17:47             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-27 21:49 ` Stefan Richter
2009-11-28  1:08   ` Maxim Levitsky
2009-11-28 11:20     ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-28 14:42       ` Maxim Levitsky
2009-11-28 15:25         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-28 15:35           ` Maxim Levitsky
2009-11-28 15:44             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-28 16:26               ` Maxim Levitsky
2009-11-28 16:44                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-28 16:47               ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-28 16:47                 ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-28 17:06                 ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-28 17:06                   ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-28 17:35                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-28 17:37                     ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-28 17:37                       ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-28 17:37                       ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-28 17:40                       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-28 17:40                         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-28 23:26                       ` Andy Walls
2009-11-29  4:58                         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-29 20:27                         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-29 20:44                           ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-29 20:44                             ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-29 20:44                             ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-29 21:29                             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-29 21:47                               ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-29 21:47                                 ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-29 22:48                                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-29 21:31                           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-30  4:50                             ` Jarod Wilson
2009-11-30  0:48                           ` Andy Walls
2009-12-01 10:46                             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-01 11:49                               ` Andy Walls
2009-12-01 14:02                                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-01 14:18                                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-30 17:45                         ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-11-29  4:32                       ` Andy Walls
2009-11-29  4:50                         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-29 12:40                         ` Alan Cox
2009-11-29 17:28                           ` Maxim Levitsky
2009-11-29 17:49                             ` Ray Lee
2009-11-29 17:49                               ` Ray Lee
2009-11-29 18:13                               ` Alan Cox
2009-11-29 18:52                                 ` Ray Lee
2009-11-29 18:52                                   ` Ray Lee
2009-11-29 19:04                                   ` Alan Cox
2009-11-29 19:16                                     ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-29 19:16                                       ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-29 19:29                                       ` Alan Cox
2009-11-29 19:49                                       ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-29 19:49                                         ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-30  0:05                                         ` Andy Walls
2009-11-29 23:35                               ` Andy Walls
2009-11-30  2:15                                 ` Ray Lee
2009-11-30  2:15                                   ` Ray Lee
2009-11-30  2:15                                   ` Ray Lee
2009-11-30  9:58                                   ` Artur Skawina
2009-11-30 11:56                                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-30 12:57                                   ` Andy Walls
2009-11-30 13:23                                     ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-30 13:23                                       ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-30 13:23                                       ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-30 13:24                                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-30 16:14                                       ` kevin granade
2009-11-30 16:14                                         ` kevin granade
2009-11-30 17:33                                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-30 18:02                                           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-30 18:27                                             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-30 19:07                                               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-30 20:07                                         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-30 13:43                                     ` Maxim Levitsky
2009-11-30 14:01                                       ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-30 14:01                                         ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-30 15:04                                         ` Maxim Levitsky
2009-11-30 16:19                                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-30 20:03                                     ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-29 18:19                           ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-29 18:19                             ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-29 19:00                             ` Alan Cox
2009-11-30  9:57                               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-28 18:17                   ` Stefan Richter
2009-11-28 18:58                     ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-28 18:58                       ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-28 18:58                       ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-28 19:45                       ` Stefan Richter
2009-11-28 20:08                         ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-28 20:08                           ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-28 20:08                           ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-28 20:21                           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-12-12 19:33                             ` Pavel Machek
2009-11-28 20:29                           ` Stefan Richter
2009-11-28 20:34                             ` Stefan Richter
2009-11-28 20:46                             ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-28 20:46                               ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-28 20:46                               ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-28 21:46                               ` Stefan Richter
2009-11-28 22:10                                 ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-28 22:10                                   ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-28 22:10                                   ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-28 22:18                                   ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-28 22:18                                     ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-29  4:59                                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-29 16:01                                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-29 16:18                                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-29 11:24                             ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-29 11:24                               ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-29 16:01                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-28 19:55                       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-28 20:14                         ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-28 20:14                           ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-28 20:29                           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-28 17:21                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-28 17:21                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-29 11:07                   ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-29 11:07                     ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-28 16:45             ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-28 16:45               ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-28 18:45               ` Maxim Levitsky
2009-11-28 18:56                 ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-28 18:56                   ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-28 19:16                   ` Maxim Levitsky
2009-11-28 19:30                   ` Stefan Richter
2009-11-28 19:32                     ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-28 19:32                       ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-28 19:48                       ` Stefan Richter
2009-11-29  2:47 ` Mike Lampard
2009-11-29  4:55   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-29  5:31     ` Mike Lampard
2009-11-29  7:14       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-29 21:59   ` Artur Skawina
2009-11-30 12:13 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-07 17:53 Emmanuel Fusté
2009-12-07 23:16 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-07 17:54 Emmanuel Fusté
2009-12-07 18:24 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-08  9:31   ` Emmanuel Fusté

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