From: lirc@bartelmus.de (Christoph Bartelmus)
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Subject: Re: [RFC] What are the goals for the architecture of an in-kernel IR system?
Date: 08 Dec 2009 23:25:00 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <BEVhz2BHqgB@lirc> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9e4733910912080534m1fe8c5bakb9219c6a55f0bcaa@mail.gmail.com>
Hi Jon,
on 08 Dec 09 at 08:34, Jon Smirl wrote:
[...]
> The point of those design review questions was to illustrate that the
> existing LIRC system is only partially designed. Subsystems need to be
> fully designed before they get merged.
I'd say that a system that has proven itself in real world applications
for >10 years, does not deserve to be called partially designed.
> For example 36-40K and 56K IR signals are both in use. It is a simple
> matter to design a receiver (or buy two receivers) that would support
> both these frequencies. But the current LIRC model only supports a
> single IR receiver. Adjusting it to support two receivers is going to
> break the ABI.
Really? When we added support for multiple transmitters, we somehow
managed to do without breaking the ABI. Do I miss something?
Your example could even now be solved by using the LIRC_SET_REC_CARRIER
ioctl. The driver would have to choose the receiver that best fits the
requested frequency.
[...]
> We need to think about all of these use cases before designing the
> ABI. Only after we think we have a good ABI design should code start
> being merged. Of course we may make mistakes and have to fix the ABI,
> but there is nothing to be gained by merging the existing ABI if we
> already know it has problems.
The point is that we did not get up this morning and started to think
about how the LIRC interface should look like. That happened 10 years ago.
I'm not saying that the interface is the nicest thing ever invented, but
it works and is extendable. If you see that something is missing please
bring it up.
Christoph
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Subject: Re: [RFC] What are the goals for the architecture of an in-kernel IR system?
Date: 08 Dec 2009 23:25:00 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <BEVhz2BHqgB@lirc> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9e4733910912080534m1fe8c5bakb9219c6a55f0bcaa@mail.gmail.com>
Hi Jon,
on 08 Dec 09 at 08:34, Jon Smirl wrote:
[...]
> The point of those design review questions was to illustrate that the
> existing LIRC system is only partially designed. Subsystems need to be
> fully designed before they get merged.
I'd say that a system that has proven itself in real world applications
for >10 years, does not deserve to be called partially designed.
> For example 36-40K and 56K IR signals are both in use. It is a simple
> matter to design a receiver (or buy two receivers) that would support
> both these frequencies. But the current LIRC model only supports a
> single IR receiver. Adjusting it to support two receivers is going to
> break the ABI.
Really? When we added support for multiple transmitters, we somehow
managed to do without breaking the ABI. Do I miss something?
Your example could even now be solved by using the LIRC_SET_REC_CARRIER
ioctl. The driver would have to choose the receiver that best fits the
requested frequency.
[...]
> We need to think about all of these use cases before designing the
> ABI. Only after we think we have a good ABI design should code start
> being merged. Of course we may make mistakes and have to fix the ABI,
> but there is nothing to be gained by merging the existing ABI if we
> already know it has problems.
The point is that we did not get up this morning and started to think
about how the LIRC interface should look like. That happened 10 years ago.
I'm not saying that the interface is the nicest thing ever invented, but
it works and is extendable. If you see that something is missing please
bring it up.
Christoph
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-12-08 22:34 UTC|newest]
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2009-11-27 15:57 [RFC] What are the goals for the architecture of an in-kernel IR system? Jon Smirl
2009-11-27 15:57 ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-27 16:57 ` Andy Walls
2009-11-27 17:29 ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-27 17:29 ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-27 17:49 ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-27 17:49 ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-27 19:03 ` Ferenc Wagner
2009-11-27 19:21 ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-27 19:21 ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-28 1:34 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-11-29 12:01 ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-29 12:01 ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-30 10:41 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-30 19:49 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-30 21:35 ` Jon Smirl
2009-11-30 21:35 ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-01 7:45 ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-12-01 7:45 ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-12-01 11:38 ` Andy Walls
2009-12-01 14:10 ` Maxim Levitsky
2009-12-03 17:31 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-12-03 17:31 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-28 9:04 ` Simon Kenyon
2009-11-28 9:04 ` Simon Kenyon
2009-11-28 9:04 ` Simon Kenyon
2009-11-28 11:21 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-11-29 11:50 ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-29 11:50 ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-11-30 12:34 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-01 9:52 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-01 13:11 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-01 14:32 ` Jarod Wilson
2009-12-01 10:20 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-01 14:14 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-01 15:28 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-03 4:29 ` Jarod Wilson
2009-12-03 12:09 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-03 17:55 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-03 18:33 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-04 10:06 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-04 14:12 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-04 15:42 ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-04 15:42 ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-06 7:09 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-06 11:03 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-06 20:19 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-12-08 0:00 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
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2009-12-07 7:48 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-07 15:34 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-07 18:34 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-07 23:01 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-06 7:14 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-06 11:23 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-03 18:56 ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-03 18:56 ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-03 18:56 ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-03 21:10 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-03 21:51 ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-12-03 21:51 ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-12-03 22:12 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-04 7:37 ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-12-04 7:37 ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-12-04 14:33 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-04 21:46 ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-12-04 21:46 ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-12-04 22:07 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-04 23:01 ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-12-04 23:01 ` Christoph Bartelmus
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2009-12-06 11:58 ` Christoph Bartelmus
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2009-12-08 22:27 ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-12-08 22:27 ` Christoph Bartelmus
2009-12-05 0:28 ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-05 0:28 ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-05 1:48 ` Andy Walls
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2009-12-05 3:45 ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-05 3:45 ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-06 2:30 ` Andy Walls
2009-12-06 17:26 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-12-12 22:52 ` david
2009-12-06 3:36 ` hermann pitton
2009-12-06 6:55 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-06 11:46 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-06 17:48 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-12-06 17:52 ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-06 17:52 ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-06 20:34 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-12-06 21:23 ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-06 21:23 ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-07 23:44 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 0:28 ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 0:28 ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 0:28 ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 11:17 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 13:34 ` Jon Smirl
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2009-12-08 13:34 ` Jon Smirl
2009-12-08 14:56 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 22:25 ` Christoph Bartelmus [this message]
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2009-12-08 13:54 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-12-08 4:23 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-12-08 11:58 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 14:01 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-12-08 14:13 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 15:26 ` Krzysztof Halasa
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2009-12-08 13:52 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-12-08 14:07 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2009-12-08 14:51 ` Jon Smirl
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2009-12-08 16:26 ` Jon Smirl
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2009-12-09 2:21 ` Andy Walls
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2009-11-28 20:14 ` Jon Smirl
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2009-11-29 11:07 ` Christoph Bartelmus
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2009-11-28 16:45 ` Jon Smirl
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2009-11-28 19:30 ` Stefan Richter
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