From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com> To: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@linux.vnet.ibm.com> Cc: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>, Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>, Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>, Glauber Costa <glommer@redhat.com>, "kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, "qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org> Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 28/35] kvm: x86: Introduce kvmclock device to save/restore its state Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 12:34:57 +0200 [thread overview] Message-ID: <4D3EA751.3000004@redhat.com> (raw) In-Reply-To: <4D35B6DD.1020005@linux.vnet.ibm.com> On 01/18/2011 05:50 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote: >> This design is in conflict with the requirement to attach KVM-assisted >> devices also to their home bus, e.g. an assigned PCI device to the PCI >> bus. We don't support multi-homed qdev devices. > > The bus topology reflects how I/O flows in and out of a device. We do > not model a perfect PC bus architecture and I don't think we ever > intend to. Instead, we model a functional architecture. A KVM bus is far from a function architecture. It simply departs from both what a real PC looks like, and what a KVM PC looks like to a guest, for no reason except to force a particular object model. It's completely artificial. If kvm were not behind the kernel/user interface, and an unchangeable ABI, we'd refactor it. However, we can't refactor it, and you're trying to warp the device model to adapt to this design problem instead of working around it. You're elevating a kink into an architectural feature. > > I/O from an assigned device does not flow through the emulated PCI > bus. Therefore, it does not belong on the emulated PCI bus. Yes it does. Config space and some mmio flows through qemu and the emulated PCI bus. So do things like hotplug/hotunplug. > > Assigned devices need to interact with the emulated PCI bus, but they > shouldn't be children of it. > What's the difference, from the guest point of view, from an assigned RTL8139 card, and an emulated RTL8139 card? If you believe there is no difference, what better way to model this than implement them the same way using the same interfaces? -- error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function
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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com> To: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@linux.vnet.ibm.com> Cc: "kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>, Glauber Costa <glommer@redhat.com>, Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>, Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>, "qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org> Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 28/35] kvm: x86: Introduce kvmclock device to save/restore its state Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 12:34:57 +0200 [thread overview] Message-ID: <4D3EA751.3000004@redhat.com> (raw) In-Reply-To: <4D35B6DD.1020005@linux.vnet.ibm.com> On 01/18/2011 05:50 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote: >> This design is in conflict with the requirement to attach KVM-assisted >> devices also to their home bus, e.g. an assigned PCI device to the PCI >> bus. We don't support multi-homed qdev devices. > > The bus topology reflects how I/O flows in and out of a device. We do > not model a perfect PC bus architecture and I don't think we ever > intend to. Instead, we model a functional architecture. A KVM bus is far from a function architecture. It simply departs from both what a real PC looks like, and what a KVM PC looks like to a guest, for no reason except to force a particular object model. It's completely artificial. If kvm were not behind the kernel/user interface, and an unchangeable ABI, we'd refactor it. However, we can't refactor it, and you're trying to warp the device model to adapt to this design problem instead of working around it. You're elevating a kink into an architectural feature. > > I/O from an assigned device does not flow through the emulated PCI > bus. Therefore, it does not belong on the emulated PCI bus. Yes it does. Config space and some mmio flows through qemu and the emulated PCI bus. So do things like hotplug/hotunplug. > > Assigned devices need to interact with the emulated PCI bus, but they > shouldn't be children of it. > What's the difference, from the guest point of view, from an assigned RTL8139 card, and an emulated RTL8139 card? If you believe there is no difference, what better way to model this than implement them the same way using the same interfaces? -- error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-01-25 10:35 UTC|newest] Thread overview: 300+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top 2011-01-06 17:56 [PATCH 00/35] [PULL] qemu-kvm.git uq/master queue Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [PATCH 01/35] kvm: Enable user space NMI injection for kvm guest Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [PATCH 02/35] kvm: convert kvm_ioctl(KVM_CHECK_EXTENSION) to kvm_check_extension() Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [PATCH 03/35] Clean up cpu_inject_x86_mce() Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [PATCH 04/35] Add "broadcast" option for mce command Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-09 18:51 ` Jan Kiszka 2011-01-09 18:51 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka 2011-01-15 16:24 ` Jan Kiszka 2011-01-15 16:24 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [PATCH 05/35] Add function for checking mca broadcast of CPU Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [PATCH 06/35] kvm: introduce kvm_mce_in_progress Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [PATCH 07/35] kvm: kvm_mce_inj_* subroutines for templated error injections Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [PATCH 08/35] kvm: introduce kvm_inject_x86_mce_on Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [PATCH 09/35] kvm: x86: Fix DPL write back of segment registers Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [PATCH 10/35] kvm: x86: Remove obsolete SS.RPL/DPL aligment Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [PATCH 11/35] kvm: x86: Prevent sign extension of DR7 in guest debugging mode Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [PATCH 12/35] kvm: x86: Fix a few coding style violations Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [PATCH 13/35] kvm: Fix " Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [PATCH 14/35] kvm: Drop return value of kvm_cpu_exec Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-08 13:09 ` Jan Kiszka 2011-01-08 13:09 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [PATCH 15/35] kvm: Stop on all fatal exit reasons Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [PATCH 16/35] kvm: Improve reporting of fatal errors Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [PATCH 17/35] x86: Optionally dump code bytes on cpu_dump_state Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [PATCH 18/35] kvm: x86: Align kvm_arch_put_registers code with comment Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [PATCH 19/35] kvm: x86: Prepare kvm_get_mp_state for in-kernel irqchip Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [PATCH 20/35] kvm: x86: Remove redundant mp_state initialization Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [PATCH 21/35] kvm: x86: Fix xcr0 reset mismerge Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [PATCH 22/35] kvm: x86: Refactor msr_star/hsave_pa setup and checks Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [PATCH 23/35] kvm: x86: Reset paravirtual MSRs Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [PATCH 24/35] Synchronize VCPU states before reset Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [PATCH 25/35] kvm: x86: Drop MCE MSRs write back restrictions Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [PATCH 26/35] kvm: Eliminate KVMState arguments Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 19:24 ` Anthony Liguori 2011-01-06 19:24 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori 2011-01-07 9:03 ` Jan Kiszka 2011-01-07 9:03 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka 2011-01-07 23:27 ` Anthony Liguori 2011-01-07 23:27 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori 2011-01-08 8:47 ` Jan Kiszka 2011-01-08 8:47 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka 2011-01-10 19:59 ` Anthony Liguori 2011-01-10 19:59 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori 2011-01-10 20:12 ` Jan Kiszka 2011-01-10 20:12 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka 2011-01-10 20:23 ` Anthony Liguori 2011-01-10 20:34 ` Jan Kiszka 2011-01-11 9:01 ` Avi Kivity 2011-01-11 9:01 ` Avi Kivity 2011-01-11 14:00 ` Anthony Liguori 2011-01-11 14:00 ` Anthony Liguori 2011-01-11 14:06 ` Alexander Graf 2011-01-11 14:06 ` Alexander Graf 2011-01-11 14:09 ` Anthony Liguori 2011-01-11 14:09 ` Anthony Liguori 2011-01-11 14:22 ` Avi Kivity 2011-01-11 14:22 ` Avi Kivity 2011-01-11 14:36 ` Anthony Liguori 2011-01-11 14:36 ` Anthony Liguori 2011-01-11 14:56 ` Avi Kivity 2011-01-11 14:56 ` Avi Kivity 2011-01-11 15:12 ` Anthony Liguori 2011-01-11 15:12 ` Anthony Liguori 2011-01-11 15:17 ` Alexander Graf 2011-01-11 15:17 ` Alexander Graf 2011-01-11 15:37 ` Avi Kivity 2011-01-11 15:37 ` Avi Kivity 2011-01-11 15:55 ` Anthony Liguori 2011-01-11 15:55 ` Anthony Liguori 2011-01-11 16:03 ` Avi Kivity 2011-01-11 16:03 ` Avi Kivity 2011-01-11 16:26 ` Anthony Liguori 2011-01-11 16:26 ` Anthony Liguori 2011-01-11 17:05 ` Avi Kivity 2011-01-11 17:05 ` Avi Kivity 2011-01-11 14:24 ` Alexander Graf 2011-01-11 14:24 ` Alexander Graf 2011-01-11 14:18 ` Avi Kivity 2011-01-11 14:18 ` Avi Kivity 2011-01-11 14:28 ` Anthony Liguori 2011-01-11 14:28 ` Anthony Liguori 2011-01-11 14:52 ` Avi Kivity 2011-01-11 14:52 ` Avi Kivity 2011-01-10 20:11 ` Anthony Liguori 2011-01-10 20:15 ` Jan Kiszka 2011-01-11 9:17 ` Avi Kivity 2011-01-11 9:17 ` Avi Kivity 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [PATCH 27/35] kvm: x86: Fix !CONFIG_KVM_PARA build Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [PATCH 28/35] kvm: x86: Introduce kvmclock device to save/restore its state Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-06 17:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti 2011-01-10 20:31 ` Anthony Liguori 2011-01-10 20:31 ` Anthony Liguori 2011-01-10 21:06 ` Jan Kiszka 2011-01-10 21:06 ` Jan Kiszka 2011-01-10 22:21 ` Jan Kiszka 2011-01-10 22:21 ` Jan Kiszka 2011-01-10 23:02 ` Anthony Liguori 2011-01-10 23:02 ` Anthony Liguori 2011-01-11 5:54 ` Jan Kiszka 2011-01-11 5:54 ` Jan Kiszka 2011-01-11 8:00 ` Paolo Bonzini 2011-01-11 8:00 ` Paolo Bonzini 2011-01-11 8:53 ` Gerd Hoffmann 2011-01-11 8:53 ` Gerd Hoffmann 2011-01-11 17:13 ` Jan Kiszka 2011-01-11 17:13 ` Jan Kiszka 2011-01-11 9:31 ` Markus Armbruster 2011-01-11 9:31 ` Markus Armbruster 2011-01-11 13:54 ` Anthony Liguori 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