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From: Nicolas Ferre <nicolas.ferre@microchip.com>
To: Andre Przywara <andre.przywara@arm.com>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: Maxime Ripard <mripard@kernel.org>, Chen-Yu Tsai <wens@csie.org>,
	Jernej Skrabec <jernej.skrabec@gmail.com>,
	Samuel Holland <samuel@sholland.org>,
	Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	Mesih Kilinc <mesihkilinc@gmail.com>,
	Icenowy Zheng <icenowy@aosc.io>,
	Jesse Taube <mr.bossman075@gmail.com>,
	Giulio Benetti <giulio.benetti@benettiengineering.com>,
	George Hilliard <thirtythreeforty@gmail.com>,
	DTML <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	<linux-sunxi@lists.linux.dev>,
	Russell King <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	Olof Johansson <olof@lixom.net>, SoC Team <soc@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 13/14] ARM: configs: sync multi_v5_defconfig from savedefconfig
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2022 15:30:16 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <99029bae-cf1b-c3c1-004e-8a6795d19f7f@microchip.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220308120750.0bbe0122@donnerap.cambridge.arm.com>

On 08/03/2022 at 13:07, Andre Przywara wrote:
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> On Tue, 8 Mar 2022 10:38:37 +0100
> Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> wrote:
> 
> Hi Arnd,
> 
> thanks for having a look. I was a bit unsure about the policy of those
> changes, so glad to have the discussion.
> 
>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 3:34 PM Andre Przywara <andre.przywara@arm.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Some Kconfig options have changed, some other platforms have been
>>> removed.
>>
>> Please split this up into logical chunks: list the platforms that were removed
>> and remove only the lines corresponding to those platforms in one patch,
>> do functional changes in separate patches each with a reason for doing them,
>> and cleanups (moving lines to match the savedefconfig output, removing lines
>> that are now the default) in one final patch.
> 
> Actually this patch is meant to be only about the last past: to sync
> multi_v5_defconfig with the output of "make savedefconfig". .config stays
> the same. I initially tried to chase down the reason for each line change,
> but gave up quickly, because it becomes tedious to learn about this,
> especially about symbols that got *removed*. Also Kconfig is somewhat
> sensitive, a single "select" or "default" change in one random Kconfig can
> affect the result of savedefconfig.
> 
> As I noted in the commit message, the .config does *not* change as a result
> of this patch, the whole purpose is just to make the next patch clearer.
> 
> So I can try find the reason for each removal, if you like, but I am not
> sure that's worthwhile? It is my understanding that Kconfig changes tend
> to accumulate cruft in the various defconfigs over time. In U-Boot we gave
> up on reasoning, and just regularly sync the output of savedefconfig over
> to the *_defconfigs, to keep them minimal and meaningful.
> 
> And I found Olof's commit 30b10c77837c ("ARM: defconfig: re-run
> savedefconfig on multi_v* configs") as a precedence for this kind of cleanup.
> 
>>>   CONFIG_AEABI=y
>>>   CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y
>>> -CONFIG_ZBOOT_ROM_TEXT=0x0
>>> -CONFIG_ZBOOT_ROM_BSS=0x0
>>>   CONFIG_ARM_APPENDED_DTB=y
>>>   CONFIG_ARM_ATAG_DTB_COMPAT=y
>>>   CONFIG_CPU_FREQ=y
>>
>> These were not removed, what happened here is that 'savedefconfig'
>> no longer produces the lines because they now match the defaults.
> 
> Yes, I understand. Is there some policy here, for instance to keep
> those in, for clarity?
> 
>>> @@ -159,7 +151,6 @@ CONFIG_I2C_ASPEED=m
>>>   CONFIG_I2C_AT91=y
>>>   CONFIG_I2C_IMX=y
>>>   CONFIG_I2C_MV64XXX=y
>>> -CONFIG_I2C_NOMADIK=y
>>>   CONFIG_SPI=y
>>>   CONFIG_SPI_ATMEL=y
>>>   CONFIG_SPI_IMX=y
>>
>> This one is still there. Not sure why it's no longer enabled.
> 
> It's not in the current .config. From what I can see, it depends on
> ARCH_AMBA, which is selected by ARCH_NOMADIK, but that one is not enabled
> by multi_v5_defconfig. Not sure if that is an oversight, or a change, a
> the dependency is bogus, or something else.
> 
> If you find that useful, I can try to find those dependency chains for the
> other options, but I definitely lack the knowledge about the history of
> those old platforms, so I can't reason about them. But I could present you
> the findings and you can then say what to do?
> 
>>>   CONFIG_REGULATOR_FIXED_VOLTAGE=y
>>>   CONFIG_MEDIA_SUPPORT=y
>>>   CONFIG_MEDIA_CAMERA_SUPPORT=y
>>> -CONFIG_V4L_PLATFORM_DRIVERS=y
>>> -CONFIG_VIDEO_ASPEED=m
>>> -CONFIG_VIDEO_ATMEL_ISI=m
>>>   CONFIG_DRM=y
>>>   CONFIG_DRM_ATMEL_HLCDC=m
>>> -CONFIG_DRM_PANEL_SIMPLE=y
>>> -CONFIG_DRM_PANEL_EDP=y
>>>   CONFIG_DRM_ASPEED_GFX=m
>>> -CONFIG_FB_IMX=y
>>> -CONFIG_FB_ATMEL=y
>>> -CONFIG_BACKLIGHT_ATMEL_LCDC=y
>>
>> This doesn't look right at all. If you want to disable graphics support,
>> please do that in a separate patch and explain why we can't have those
>> any more. Are you running into problems with the vmlinux size?
> 
> As I mentioned, the .config didn't change at all, so those options are
> already not included in mainline anymore.

As far as I'm concerned and only talking about the drivers, I would 
prefer that we keep the following config options activated in the .config:

CONFIG_VIDEO_ATMEL_ISI=m
CONFIG_DRM_PANEL_SIMPLE=y
CONFIG_FB_ATMEL=y
CONFIG_BACKLIGHT_ATMEL_LCDC=y

The question to know if they are activated by default or not and if the 
associated stack is selected or not, well... I lost track of this, sorry.

Regards,
   Nicolas


> AFAICS, those last options depend on CONFIG_FB, which isn't enabled. Is
> that a regression due to the recent fbdev changes?
> 
> Cheers,
> Andre
> 
>>
>>>   CONFIG_LIBCRC32C=y
>>>   CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO=y
>>> -CONFIG_DEBUG_FS=y
>>>   CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ=y
>>> +CONFIG_DEBUG_FS=y
>>>   CONFIG_DEBUG_KERNEL=y
>>>   # CONFIG_SCHED_DEBUG is not set
>>>   # CONFIG_DEBUG_PREEMPT is not set
>>
>> This should probably go along with the ZBOOT_ROM change, it's
>> only cosmetic.
>>
>>          Arnd
> 
> 
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-- 
Nicolas Ferre

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From: Nicolas Ferre <nicolas.ferre@microchip.com>
To: Andre Przywara <andre.przywara@arm.com>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: Maxime Ripard <mripard@kernel.org>, Chen-Yu Tsai <wens@csie.org>,
	Jernej Skrabec <jernej.skrabec@gmail.com>,
	Samuel Holland <samuel@sholland.org>,
	Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	Mesih Kilinc <mesihkilinc@gmail.com>,
	Icenowy Zheng <icenowy@aosc.io>,
	Jesse Taube <mr.bossman075@gmail.com>,
	Giulio Benetti <giulio.benetti@benettiengineering.com>,
	George Hilliard <thirtythreeforty@gmail.com>,
	DTML <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	<linux-sunxi@lists.linux.dev>,
	Russell King <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	Olof Johansson <olof@lixom.net>, SoC Team <soc@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 13/14] ARM: configs: sync multi_v5_defconfig from savedefconfig
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2022 15:30:16 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <99029bae-cf1b-c3c1-004e-8a6795d19f7f@microchip.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220308120750.0bbe0122@donnerap.cambridge.arm.com>

On 08/03/2022 at 13:07, Andre Przywara wrote:
> EXTERNAL EMAIL: Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe
> 
> On Tue, 8 Mar 2022 10:38:37 +0100
> Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> wrote:
> 
> Hi Arnd,
> 
> thanks for having a look. I was a bit unsure about the policy of those
> changes, so glad to have the discussion.
> 
>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 3:34 PM Andre Przywara <andre.przywara@arm.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Some Kconfig options have changed, some other platforms have been
>>> removed.
>>
>> Please split this up into logical chunks: list the platforms that were removed
>> and remove only the lines corresponding to those platforms in one patch,
>> do functional changes in separate patches each with a reason for doing them,
>> and cleanups (moving lines to match the savedefconfig output, removing lines
>> that are now the default) in one final patch.
> 
> Actually this patch is meant to be only about the last past: to sync
> multi_v5_defconfig with the output of "make savedefconfig". .config stays
> the same. I initially tried to chase down the reason for each line change,
> but gave up quickly, because it becomes tedious to learn about this,
> especially about symbols that got *removed*. Also Kconfig is somewhat
> sensitive, a single "select" or "default" change in one random Kconfig can
> affect the result of savedefconfig.
> 
> As I noted in the commit message, the .config does *not* change as a result
> of this patch, the whole purpose is just to make the next patch clearer.
> 
> So I can try find the reason for each removal, if you like, but I am not
> sure that's worthwhile? It is my understanding that Kconfig changes tend
> to accumulate cruft in the various defconfigs over time. In U-Boot we gave
> up on reasoning, and just regularly sync the output of savedefconfig over
> to the *_defconfigs, to keep them minimal and meaningful.
> 
> And I found Olof's commit 30b10c77837c ("ARM: defconfig: re-run
> savedefconfig on multi_v* configs") as a precedence for this kind of cleanup.
> 
>>>   CONFIG_AEABI=y
>>>   CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y
>>> -CONFIG_ZBOOT_ROM_TEXT=0x0
>>> -CONFIG_ZBOOT_ROM_BSS=0x0
>>>   CONFIG_ARM_APPENDED_DTB=y
>>>   CONFIG_ARM_ATAG_DTB_COMPAT=y
>>>   CONFIG_CPU_FREQ=y
>>
>> These were not removed, what happened here is that 'savedefconfig'
>> no longer produces the lines because they now match the defaults.
> 
> Yes, I understand. Is there some policy here, for instance to keep
> those in, for clarity?
> 
>>> @@ -159,7 +151,6 @@ CONFIG_I2C_ASPEED=m
>>>   CONFIG_I2C_AT91=y
>>>   CONFIG_I2C_IMX=y
>>>   CONFIG_I2C_MV64XXX=y
>>> -CONFIG_I2C_NOMADIK=y
>>>   CONFIG_SPI=y
>>>   CONFIG_SPI_ATMEL=y
>>>   CONFIG_SPI_IMX=y
>>
>> This one is still there. Not sure why it's no longer enabled.
> 
> It's not in the current .config. From what I can see, it depends on
> ARCH_AMBA, which is selected by ARCH_NOMADIK, but that one is not enabled
> by multi_v5_defconfig. Not sure if that is an oversight, or a change, a
> the dependency is bogus, or something else.
> 
> If you find that useful, I can try to find those dependency chains for the
> other options, but I definitely lack the knowledge about the history of
> those old platforms, so I can't reason about them. But I could present you
> the findings and you can then say what to do?
> 
>>>   CONFIG_REGULATOR_FIXED_VOLTAGE=y
>>>   CONFIG_MEDIA_SUPPORT=y
>>>   CONFIG_MEDIA_CAMERA_SUPPORT=y
>>> -CONFIG_V4L_PLATFORM_DRIVERS=y
>>> -CONFIG_VIDEO_ASPEED=m
>>> -CONFIG_VIDEO_ATMEL_ISI=m
>>>   CONFIG_DRM=y
>>>   CONFIG_DRM_ATMEL_HLCDC=m
>>> -CONFIG_DRM_PANEL_SIMPLE=y
>>> -CONFIG_DRM_PANEL_EDP=y
>>>   CONFIG_DRM_ASPEED_GFX=m
>>> -CONFIG_FB_IMX=y
>>> -CONFIG_FB_ATMEL=y
>>> -CONFIG_BACKLIGHT_ATMEL_LCDC=y
>>
>> This doesn't look right at all. If you want to disable graphics support,
>> please do that in a separate patch and explain why we can't have those
>> any more. Are you running into problems with the vmlinux size?
> 
> As I mentioned, the .config didn't change at all, so those options are
> already not included in mainline anymore.

As far as I'm concerned and only talking about the drivers, I would 
prefer that we keep the following config options activated in the .config:

CONFIG_VIDEO_ATMEL_ISI=m
CONFIG_DRM_PANEL_SIMPLE=y
CONFIG_FB_ATMEL=y
CONFIG_BACKLIGHT_ATMEL_LCDC=y

The question to know if they are activated by default or not and if the 
associated stack is selected or not, well... I lost track of this, sorry.

Regards,
   Nicolas


> AFAICS, those last options depend on CONFIG_FB, which isn't enabled. Is
> that a regression due to the recent fbdev changes?
> 
> Cheers,
> Andre
> 
>>
>>>   CONFIG_LIBCRC32C=y
>>>   CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO=y
>>> -CONFIG_DEBUG_FS=y
>>>   CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ=y
>>> +CONFIG_DEBUG_FS=y
>>>   CONFIG_DEBUG_KERNEL=y
>>>   # CONFIG_SCHED_DEBUG is not set
>>>   # CONFIG_DEBUG_PREEMPT is not set
>>
>> This should probably go along with the ZBOOT_ROM change, it's
>> only cosmetic.
>>
>>          Arnd
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> linux-arm-kernel mailing list
> linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-arm-kernel


-- 
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-03-08 14:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-03-07 14:34 [PATCH 00/14] ARM: suniv: dts: update Allwinner F1C100 Andre Przywara
2022-03-07 14:34 ` Andre Przywara
2022-03-07 14:34 ` [PATCH 01/14] dt-bindings: watchdog: sunxi: fix F1C100s compatible Andre Przywara
2022-03-07 14:34   ` Andre Przywara
2022-03-08 16:08   ` Rob Herring
2022-03-08 16:08     ` Rob Herring
2022-03-09 23:02   ` Guenter Roeck
2022-03-09 23:02     ` Guenter Roeck
2022-03-10  0:46   ` Samuel Holland
2022-03-10  0:46     ` Samuel Holland
2022-03-14 17:39     ` Andre Przywara
2022-03-14 17:39       ` Andre Przywara
2022-03-07 14:34 ` [PATCH 02/14] ARM: dts: suniv: F1C100: fix watchdog compatible Andre Przywara
2022-03-07 14:34   ` Andre Przywara
2022-03-09 23:03   ` Guenter Roeck
2022-03-09 23:03     ` Guenter Roeck
2022-03-07 14:34 ` [PATCH 03/14] dt-bindings: arm: sunxi: document LicheePi Nano name Andre Przywara
2022-03-07 14:34   ` Andre Przywara
2022-03-08 16:09   ` Rob Herring
2022-03-08 16:09     ` Rob Herring
2022-03-11  1:27   ` Samuel Holland
2022-03-11  1:27     ` Samuel Holland
2022-03-07 14:34 ` [PATCH 04/14] ARM: dts: suniv: F1C100: add clock and reset macros Andre Przywara
2022-03-07 14:34   ` Andre Przywara
2022-03-11  1:30   ` Samuel Holland
2022-03-11  1:30     ` Samuel Holland
2022-03-07 14:34 ` [PATCH 05/14] ARM: dts: suniv: F1C100: fix CPU node Andre Przywara
2022-03-07 14:34   ` Andre Przywara
2022-03-08  2:44   ` Jesse Taube
2022-03-08  2:44     ` Jesse Taube
2022-03-08  4:23     ` Icenowy Zheng
2022-03-08  4:23       ` Icenowy Zheng
2022-03-08 10:42     ` Andre Przywara
2022-03-08 10:42       ` Andre Przywara
2022-03-07 14:34 ` [PATCH 06/14] ARM: dts: suniv: F1C100: fix timer node Andre Przywara
2022-03-07 14:34   ` Andre Przywara
2022-03-11  2:19   ` Samuel Holland
2022-03-11  2:19     ` Samuel Holland
2022-03-07 14:34 ` [PATCH 07/14] dt-bindings: mmc: sunxi: add Allwinner F1c100s compatible Andre Przywara
2022-03-07 14:34   ` Andre Przywara
2022-03-08 16:10   ` Rob Herring
2022-03-08 16:10     ` Rob Herring
2022-03-11  2:19   ` Samuel Holland
2022-03-11  2:19     ` Samuel Holland
2022-03-11 15:41   ` Ulf Hansson
2022-03-11 15:41     ` Ulf Hansson
2022-03-07 14:34 ` [PATCH 08/14] ARM: dts: suniv: F1C100: add MMC controllers Andre Przywara
2022-03-07 14:34   ` Andre Przywara
2022-03-11  2:19   ` Samuel Holland
2022-03-11  2:19     ` Samuel Holland
2022-03-07 14:34 ` [PATCH 09/14] ARM: dts: suniv: licheepi-nano: add microSD card Andre Przywara
2022-03-07 14:34   ` Andre Przywara
2022-03-11  2:19   ` Samuel Holland
2022-03-11  2:19     ` Samuel Holland
2022-03-07 14:34 ` [PATCH 10/14] dt-bindings: spi: sunxi: document F1C100 controllers Andre Przywara
2022-03-07 14:34   ` Andre Przywara
2022-03-08 16:10   ` Rob Herring
2022-03-08 16:10     ` Rob Herring
2022-03-11  2:19   ` Samuel Holland
2022-03-11  2:19     ` Samuel Holland
2022-03-07 14:34 ` [PATCH 11/14] ARM: dts: suniv: F1C100: add SPI support Andre Przywara
2022-03-07 14:34   ` Andre Przywara
2022-03-11  2:19   ` Samuel Holland
2022-03-11  2:19     ` Samuel Holland
2022-03-11 13:33     ` Andre Przywara
2022-03-11 13:33       ` Andre Przywara
2022-03-07 14:34 ` [PATCH 12/14] ARM: dts: suniv: licheepi-nano: add SPI flash Andre Przywara
2022-03-07 14:34   ` Andre Przywara
2022-03-11  2:20   ` Samuel Holland
2022-03-11  2:20     ` Samuel Holland
2022-03-07 14:34 ` [PATCH 13/14] ARM: configs: sync multi_v5_defconfig from savedefconfig Andre Przywara
2022-03-07 14:34   ` Andre Przywara
2022-03-08  9:38   ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-03-08  9:38     ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-03-08 12:07     ` Andre Przywara
2022-03-08 12:07       ` Andre Przywara
2022-03-08 13:33       ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-03-08 13:33         ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-03-08 13:40       ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-03-08 13:40         ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-03-08 14:30       ` Nicolas Ferre [this message]
2022-03-08 14:30         ` Nicolas Ferre
2022-03-08 15:17         ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-03-08 15:17           ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-03-10 10:33     ` Andre Przywara
2022-03-10 10:33       ` Andre Przywara
2022-03-07 14:34 ` [PATCH 14/14] ARM: configs: multi_v5: Enable Allwinner F1C100 Andre Przywara
2022-03-07 14:34   ` Andre Przywara
2022-03-07 18:03 ` [PATCH 00/14] ARM: suniv: dts: update " Jesse Taube
2022-03-07 18:03   ` Jesse Taube
2022-03-07 18:22   ` Giulio Benetti
2022-03-07 18:22     ` Giulio Benetti
2022-03-11  1:38 ` Jesse Taube
2022-03-11  1:38   ` Jesse Taube

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