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From: Willem de Bruijn <willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com>
To: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
Cc: Willem de Bruijn <willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com>,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Network Development <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	Richard Cochran <richardcochran@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH rfc 2/3] virtio-net: support receive timestamp
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2020 19:57:20 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+FuTSe630QvTRM-0fnz=B+QRfii=sbsb-Qp5tTc2zbMgxcQyw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201228145953.08673c8c@kicinski-fedora-pc1c0hjn.dhcp.thefacebook.com>

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 5:59 PM Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2020 11:22:32 -0500 Willem de Bruijn wrote:
> > From: Willem de Bruijn <willemb@google.com>
> >
> > Add optional PTP hardware timestamp offload for virtio-net.
> >
> > Accurate RTT measurement requires timestamps close to the wire.
> > Introduce virtio feature VIRTIO_NET_F_RX_TSTAMP. If negotiated, the
> > virtio-net header is expanded with room for a timestamp. A host may
> > pass receive timestamps for all or some packets. A timestamp is valid
> > if non-zero.
> >
> > The timestamp straddles (virtual) hardware domains. Like PTP, use
> > international atomic time (CLOCK_TAI) as global clock base. It is
> > guest responsibility to sync with host, e.g., through kvm-clock.
>
> Would this not be confusing to some user space SW to have a NIC with
> no PHC deliver HW stamps?
>
> I'd CC Richard on this, unless you already discussed with him offline.

Thanks, good point. I should have included Richard.

There is a well understood method for synchronizing guest and host
clock in KVM using ptp_kvm. For virtual environments without NIC
hardware offload, the when host timestamps in software, this suffices.

Syncing host with NIC is assumed if the host advertises the feature
and implements using real hardware timestamps.

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From: Willem de Bruijn <willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com>
To: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
Cc: Willem de Bruijn <willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Network Development <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Richard Cochran <richardcochran@gmail.com>,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH rfc 2/3] virtio-net: support receive timestamp
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2020 19:57:20 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+FuTSe630QvTRM-0fnz=B+QRfii=sbsb-Qp5tTc2zbMgxcQyw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201228145953.08673c8c@kicinski-fedora-pc1c0hjn.dhcp.thefacebook.com>

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 5:59 PM Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2020 11:22:32 -0500 Willem de Bruijn wrote:
> > From: Willem de Bruijn <willemb@google.com>
> >
> > Add optional PTP hardware timestamp offload for virtio-net.
> >
> > Accurate RTT measurement requires timestamps close to the wire.
> > Introduce virtio feature VIRTIO_NET_F_RX_TSTAMP. If negotiated, the
> > virtio-net header is expanded with room for a timestamp. A host may
> > pass receive timestamps for all or some packets. A timestamp is valid
> > if non-zero.
> >
> > The timestamp straddles (virtual) hardware domains. Like PTP, use
> > international atomic time (CLOCK_TAI) as global clock base. It is
> > guest responsibility to sync with host, e.g., through kvm-clock.
>
> Would this not be confusing to some user space SW to have a NIC with
> no PHC deliver HW stamps?
>
> I'd CC Richard on this, unless you already discussed with him offline.

Thanks, good point. I should have included Richard.

There is a well understood method for synchronizing guest and host
clock in KVM using ptp_kvm. For virtual environments without NIC
hardware offload, the when host timestamps in software, this suffices.

Syncing host with NIC is assumed if the host advertises the feature
and implements using real hardware timestamps.
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  reply	other threads:[~2020-12-29  0:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-28 16:22 [PATCH rfc 0/3] virtio-net: add tx-hash, rx-tstamp and tx-tstamp Willem de Bruijn
2020-12-28 16:22 ` Willem de Bruijn
2020-12-28 16:22 ` [PATCH rfc 1/3] virtio-net: support transmit hash report Willem de Bruijn
2020-12-28 16:22   ` Willem de Bruijn
2020-12-28 16:28   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-12-28 16:28     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-12-28 16:47     ` Willem de Bruijn
2020-12-28 16:47       ` Willem de Bruijn
2020-12-28 17:22       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-12-28 17:22         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-12-29  1:19         ` Willem de Bruijn
2020-12-29  1:19           ` Willem de Bruijn
2020-12-28 21:36   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-12-28 21:36     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-12-29  1:23     ` Willem de Bruijn
2020-12-29  1:23       ` Willem de Bruijn
2020-12-28 16:22 ` [PATCH rfc 2/3] virtio-net: support receive timestamp Willem de Bruijn
2020-12-28 16:22   ` Willem de Bruijn
2020-12-28 17:28   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-12-28 17:28     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-12-28 19:30     ` Willem de Bruijn
2020-12-28 19:30       ` Willem de Bruijn
2020-12-28 21:32       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-12-28 21:32         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-12-29  1:05         ` Willem de Bruijn
2020-12-29  1:05           ` Willem de Bruijn
2020-12-29  9:17           ` Jason Wang
2020-12-29  9:17             ` Jason Wang
2020-12-29 14:20             ` Willem de Bruijn
2020-12-29 14:20               ` Willem de Bruijn
2020-12-30  8:38               ` Jason Wang
2020-12-30  8:38                 ` Jason Wang
2020-12-28 22:59   ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-12-29  0:57     ` Willem de Bruijn [this message]
2020-12-29  0:57       ` Willem de Bruijn
2020-12-30  8:44       ` Jason Wang
2020-12-30  8:44         ` Jason Wang
2020-12-30 12:30       ` Richard Cochran
2021-02-02 13:05   ` kernel test robot
2021-02-02 13:05     ` kernel test robot
2021-02-02 13:05     ` kernel test robot
2021-02-02 14:08   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-02 14:08     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-02 22:17     ` Willem de Bruijn
2021-02-02 22:17       ` Willem de Bruijn
2021-02-02 23:02       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-02 23:02         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-02 23:43         ` Willem de Bruijn
2021-02-02 23:43           ` Willem de Bruijn
2020-12-28 16:22 ` [PATCH rfc 3/3] virtio-net: support transmit timestamp Willem de Bruijn
2020-12-28 16:22   ` Willem de Bruijn
2020-12-30 12:38   ` Richard Cochran
2020-12-30 15:25     ` Willem de Bruijn
2020-12-30 15:25       ` Willem de Bruijn
2021-02-02 13:47   ` kernel test robot
2021-02-02 13:47     ` kernel test robot
2021-02-02 13:47     ` kernel test robot
2020-12-28 17:29 ` [PATCH rfc 0/3] virtio-net: add tx-hash, rx-tstamp and tx-tstamp Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-12-28 17:29   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-12-28 19:51   ` Willem de Bruijn
2020-12-28 19:51     ` Willem de Bruijn
2020-12-28 21:38     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-12-28 21:38       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-12-29  1:14       ` Willem de Bruijn
2020-12-29  1:14         ` Willem de Bruijn
2021-01-06 20:32         ` Willem de Bruijn
2021-01-06 20:32           ` Willem de Bruijn

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