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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>
Cc: Tang Chen <tangchen@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	robert.moore@intel.com, lv.zheng@intel.com, rjw@sisk.pl,
	lenb@kernel.org, tglx@linutronix.de, mingo@elte.hu,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, tj@kernel.org, trenn@suse.de,
	yinghai@kernel.org, jiang.liu@huawei.com, wency@cn.fujitsu.com,
	laijs@cn.fujitsu.com, isimatu.yasuaki@jp.fujitsu.com,
	izumi.taku@jp.fujitsu.com, mgorman@suse.de, minchan@kernel.org,
	mina86@mina86.com, gong.chen@linux.intel.com,
	vasilis.liaskovitis@profitbricks.com, lwoodman@redhat.com,
	riel@redhat.com, jweiner@redhat.com, prarit@redhat.com,
	zhangyanfei@cn.fujitsu.com, yanghy@cn.fujitsu.com,
	x86@kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/8] x86, brk: Make extend_brk() available with va/pa.
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 17:04:21 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <025ad747-18b5-4d7a-8eea-9ba8a5b0d53c@email.android.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130821144258.GH2593@phenom.dumpdata.com>



Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com> wrote:
>On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 02:35:36PM +0200, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
>> Global symbols are inaccessible in physical mode.
>
>Even if they are embedded in the assembler code and use
>GLOBAL(paging_enabled) ?

Yes, because the address is different in physical mode.  Think about it.  You could do a *function* like:

paging_enabled:
	mov (%esp),%edx
	xor %eax,%eax
	cmpl $PAGE_OFFSET,%edx
	setae %al
	ret

>> 
>> This is incidentally yet another example of "PV/weird platform
>violence", since in their absence it would be trivial to work around
>this by using segmentation.
>
>I don't follow why it could not.
>
>Why can't there be a __pa_symbol(paging_enabled) that is used. Won't
>that in effect allow you to check the contents of that 'global
>constant' even when you don't have paging enabled?

Yes.  But not once paging has been turned on.

>> >>As mentioned above, on 32bit before paging is enabled, we have to
>> >>access variables
>> >>with pa. So introduce a "bool is_phys" parameter to extend_brk(),
>and
>> >>convert va
>> >>to pa is it is true.
>> >
>> >Could you do it differently? Meaning have a global symbol
>> >(paging_enabled) which will be used by most of the functions you
>> >changed in this patch and the next ones? It would naturally be
>enabled
>> >when paging is on and __va addresses can be used. 
>> >
>> >That could also be used in the printk case to do a BUG_ON before
>paging
>> >is enabled on 32bit. Or perhaps use a different code path to deal
>with
>> >using __pa address. 
>> >
>> >? 

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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>
Cc: Tang Chen <tangchen@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	robert.moore@intel.com, lv.zheng@intel.com, rjw@sisk.pl,
	lenb@kernel.org, tglx@linutronix.de, mingo@elte.hu,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, tj@kernel.org, trenn@suse.de,
	yinghai@kernel.org, jiang.liu@huawei.com, wency@cn.fujitsu.com,
	laijs@cn.fujitsu.com, isimatu.yasuaki@jp.fujitsu.com,
	izumi.taku@jp.fujitsu.com, mgorman@suse.de, minchan@kernel.org,
	mina86@mina86.com, gong.chen@linux.intel.com,
	vasilis.liaskovitis@profitbricks.com, lwoodman@redhat.com,
	riel@redhat.com, jweiner@redhat.com, prarit@redhat.com,
	zhangyanfei@cn.fujitsu.com, yanghy@cn.fujitsu.com,
	x86@kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/8] x86, brk: Make extend_brk() available with va/pa.
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 17:04:21 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <025ad747-18b5-4d7a-8eea-9ba8a5b0d53c@email.android.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130821144258.GH2593@phenom.dumpdata.com>



Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com> wrote:
>On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 02:35:36PM +0200, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
>> Global symbols are inaccessible in physical mode.
>
>Even if they are embedded in the assembler code and use
>GLOBAL(paging_enabled) ?

Yes, because the address is different in physical mode.  Think about it.  You could do a *function* like:

paging_enabled:
	mov (%esp),%edx
	xor %eax,%eax
	cmpl $PAGE_OFFSET,%edx
	setae %al
	ret

>> 
>> This is incidentally yet another example of "PV/weird platform
>violence", since in their absence it would be trivial to work around
>this by using segmentation.
>
>I don't follow why it could not.
>
>Why can't there be a __pa_symbol(paging_enabled) that is used. Won't
>that in effect allow you to check the contents of that 'global
>constant' even when you don't have paging enabled?

Yes.  But not once paging has been turned on.

>> >>As mentioned above, on 32bit before paging is enabled, we have to
>> >>access variables
>> >>with pa. So introduce a "bool is_phys" parameter to extend_brk(),
>and
>> >>convert va
>> >>to pa is it is true.
>> >
>> >Could you do it differently? Meaning have a global symbol
>> >(paging_enabled) which will be used by most of the functions you
>> >changed in this patch and the next ones? It would naturally be
>enabled
>> >when paging is on and __va addresses can be used. 
>> >
>> >That could also be used in the printk case to do a BUG_ON before
>paging
>> >is enabled on 32bit. Or perhaps use a different code path to deal
>with
>> >using __pa address. 
>> >
>> >? 

-- 
Sent from my mobile phone. Please excuse brevity and lack of formatting.

  reply	other threads:[~2013-08-21 15:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-21 10:15 [PATCH 0/8] x86, acpi: Move acpi_initrd_override() earlier Tang Chen
2013-08-21 10:15 ` Tang Chen
2013-08-21 10:15 ` [PATCH 1/8] x86: Make get_ramdisk_{image|size}() global Tang Chen
2013-08-21 10:15   ` Tang Chen
2013-08-21 10:15 ` [PATCH 2/8] x86, microcode: Use get_ramdisk_{image|size}() in microcode handling Tang Chen
2013-08-21 10:15   ` Tang Chen
2013-08-21 10:15 ` [PATCH 3/8] x86, acpi: Move table_sigs[] to stack Tang Chen
2013-08-21 10:15   ` Tang Chen
2013-08-21 10:15 ` [PATCH 4/8] x86, acpi, brk: Extend BRK 256KB to store acpi override tables Tang Chen
2013-08-21 10:15   ` Tang Chen
2013-08-21 10:15 ` [PATCH 5/8] x86, brk: Make extend_brk() available with va/pa Tang Chen
2013-08-21 10:15   ` Tang Chen
2013-08-21 12:26   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-08-21 12:26     ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-08-21 12:35     ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-21 12:35       ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-21 14:42       ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-08-21 14:42         ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-08-21 15:04         ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2013-08-21 15:04           ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-21 10:15 ` [PATCH 6/8] x86, acpi: Make acpi_initrd_override() available with va or pa Tang Chen
2013-08-21 10:15   ` Tang Chen
2013-08-21 10:15 ` [PATCH 7/8] x86, acpi, brk: Make early_alloc_acpi_override_tables_buf() available with va/pa Tang Chen
2013-08-21 10:15   ` Tang Chen
2013-08-21 10:15 ` [PATCH 8/8] x86, acpi: Do acpi_initrd_override() earlier in head_32.S/head64.c Tang Chen
2013-08-21 10:15   ` Tang Chen
2013-08-21 10:42 ` [PATCH 0/8] x86, acpi: Move acpi_initrd_override() earlier Tang Chen
2013-08-21 10:42   ` Tang Chen
2013-08-21 13:06 ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-21 13:06   ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-21 15:00   ` Zhang Yanfei
2013-08-21 15:00     ` Zhang Yanfei
2013-08-21 15:36     ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-21 15:36       ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-21 19:31       ` Toshi Kani
2013-08-21 19:31         ` Toshi Kani
2013-08-21 19:54         ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-21 19:54           ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-21 20:29           ` Toshi Kani
2013-08-21 20:29             ` Toshi Kani
2013-08-21 20:40             ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-21 20:40               ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-21 22:36               ` Toshi Kani
2013-08-21 22:36                 ` Toshi Kani
2013-08-22  3:32                 ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-22  3:32                   ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-22 15:52                   ` Toshi Kani
2013-08-22 15:52                     ` Toshi Kani
2013-08-22 18:31                     ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-22 18:31                       ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-22 19:39                       ` Zhang Yanfei
2013-08-22 19:39                         ` Zhang Yanfei
2013-08-22 19:45                         ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-22 19:45                           ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-22 20:11                       ` Toshi Kani
2013-08-22 20:11                         ` Toshi Kani
2013-08-22 20:21                         ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-22 20:21                           ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-22 20:35                           ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-22 20:35                             ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-22 21:06                           ` Toshi Kani
2013-08-22 21:06                             ` Toshi Kani
2013-08-22 21:21                             ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-22 21:21                               ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-22 22:17                               ` Toshi Kani
2013-08-22 22:17                                 ` Toshi Kani
2013-08-23 13:04                                 ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-23 13:04                                   ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-23 13:08                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-23 13:08                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-23 14:19                                     ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-23 14:19                                       ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-23 14:24                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-23 14:24                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-23 14:24                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-23 14:35                                         ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-23 14:35                                           ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-23 14:57                                           ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-23 14:57                                             ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-23 16:14                                   ` Toshi Kani
2013-08-23 16:14                                     ` Toshi Kani
2013-08-23 16:24                                     ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-23 16:24                                       ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-23 17:13                                       ` Toshi Kani
2013-08-23 17:13                                         ` Toshi Kani
2013-08-23 17:29                                         ` Zhang Yanfei
2013-08-23 17:29                                           ` Zhang Yanfei
2013-08-23 16:54                                     ` Zhang Yanfei
2013-08-23 16:54                                       ` Zhang Yanfei
2013-08-23 18:18                                       ` Yinghai Lu
2013-08-23 18:18                                         ` Yinghai Lu
2013-08-23 18:25                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-23 20:08                                           ` Yinghai Lu
2013-08-23 20:30                                             ` Russ Anderson
2013-08-23 20:48                                               ` Yinghai Lu
2013-08-23 21:50                                                 ` chen tang
2013-08-23 21:52                                                   ` Moore, Robert
2013-08-23 22:05                                                     ` Yinghai Lu
2013-08-23 22:08                                                   ` Yinghai Lu
2013-08-23 22:40                                                     ` chen tang
2013-08-23 23:04                                                       ` Yinghai Lu
2013-08-24  2:41                                             ` Russ Anderson
2013-08-23 20:33                                         ` chen tang
2013-08-23 20:33                                           ` chen tang
2013-08-23 21:08                                           ` Yinghai Lu
2013-08-23 21:08                                             ` Yinghai Lu
2013-08-23 22:27                                             ` chen tang
2013-08-23 22:27                                               ` chen tang
2013-08-23 18:29                                       ` Toshi Kani
2013-08-23 18:29                                         ` Toshi Kani
2013-08-23 21:37                                         ` chen tang
2013-08-23 21:37                                           ` chen tang
2013-08-23 21:52                                           ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-23 21:52                                             ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-23 23:56                                             ` chen tang
2013-08-23 23:56                                               ` chen tang

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