From: Eric Auger <eric.auger@redhat.com> To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>, Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com> Cc: Jean-Philippe Brucker <jean-philippe@linaro.org>, Chaitanya Kulkarni <chaitanyak@nvidia.com>, kvm@vger.kernel.org, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>, Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>, Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>, Niklas Schnelle <schnelle@linux.ibm.com>, Kevin Tian <kevin.tian@intel.com>, Daniel Jordan <daniel.m.jordan@oracle.com>, iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org, Joao Martins <joao.m.martins@oracle.com>, David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au> Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 11/12] iommufd: vfio container FD ioctl compatibility Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 09:13:17 +0100 [thread overview] Message-ID: <09a6557f-b881-081c-abdf-266516f7b0eb@redhat.com> (raw) In-Reply-To: <20220324003342.GV11336@nvidia.com> Hi, On 3/24/22 1:33 AM, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 04:51:25PM -0600, Alex Williamson wrote: > >> My overall question here would be whether we can actually achieve a >> compatibility interface that has sufficient feature transparency that we >> can dump vfio code in favor of this interface, or will there be enough >> niche use cases that we need to keep type1 and vfio containers around >> through a deprecation process? > Other than SPAPR, I think we can. > >> The locked memory differences for one seem like something that >> libvirt wouldn't want hidden > I'm first interested to have an understanding how this change becomes > a real problem in practice that requires libvirt to do something > different for vfio or iommufd. We can discuss in the other thread > > If this is the make or break point then I think we can deal with it > either by going back to what vfio does now or perhaps some other > friendly compat approach.. > >> and we have questions regarding support for vaddr hijacking > I'm not sure what vaddr hijacking is? Do you mean > VFIO_DMA_MAP_FLAG_VADDR ? There is a comment that outlines my plan to > implement it in a functionally compatible way without the deadlock > problem. I estimate this as a small project. > >> and different ideas how to implement dirty page tracking, > I don't think this is compatibility. No kernel today triggers qemu to > use this feature as no kernel supports live migration. No existing > qemu will trigger this feature with new kernels that support live > migration v2. Therefore we can adjust qemu's dirty tracking at the > same time we enable migration v2 in qemu. > > With Joao's work we are close to having a solid RFC to come with > something that can be fully implemented. > > Hopefully we can agree to this soon enough that qemu can come with a > full package of migration v2 support including the dirty tracking > solution. > >> not to mention the missing features that are currently well used, >> like p2p mappings, coherency tracking, mdev, etc. > I consider these all mandatory things, they won't be left out. > > The reason they are not in the RFC is mostly because supporting them > requires work outside just this iommufd area, and I'd like this series > to remain self-contained. > > I've already got a draft to add DMABUF support to VFIO PCI which > nicely solves the follow_pfn security problem, we want to do this for > another reason already. I'm waiting for some testing feedback before > posting it. Need some help from Daniel make the DMABUF revoke semantic > him and I have been talking about. In the worst case can copy the > follow_pfn approach. > > Intel no-snoop is simple enough, just needs some Intel cleanup parts. > > mdev will come along with the final VFIO integration, all the really > hard parts are done already. The VFIO integration is a medium sized > task overall. > > So, I'm not ready to give up yet :) > >> Where do we focus attention? Is symlinking device files our proposal >> to userspace and is that something achievable, or do we want to use >> this compatibility interface as a means to test the interface and >> allow userspace to make use of it for transition, if their use cases >> allow it, perhaps eventually performing the symlink after deprecation >> and eventual removal of the vfio container and type1 code? Thanks, > symlinking device files is definitely just a suggested way to expedite > testing. > > Things like qemu that are learning to use iommufd-only features should > learn to directly open iommufd instead of vfio container to activate > those features. > > Looking long down the road I don't think we want to have type 1 and > iommufd code forever. So, I would like to make an option to compile > out vfio container support entirely and have that option arrange for > iommufd to provide the container device node itself. I am currently working on migrating the QEMU VFIO device onto the new API because since after our discussions the compat mode cannot be used anyway to implemented nesting. I hope I will be able to present something next week. Thanks Eric > > I think we can get there pretty quickly, or at least I haven't got > anything that is scaring me alot (beyond SPAPR of course) > > For the dpdk/etcs of the world I think we are already there. > > Jason > _______________________________________________ iommu mailing list iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/iommu
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From: Eric Auger <eric.auger@redhat.com> To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>, Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com> Cc: Lu Baolu <baolu.lu@linux.intel.com>, Chaitanya Kulkarni <chaitanyak@nvidia.com>, Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>, Daniel Jordan <daniel.m.jordan@oracle.com>, David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>, iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org, Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>, Jean-Philippe Brucker <jean-philippe@linaro.org>, Joao Martins <joao.m.martins@oracle.com>, Kevin Tian <kevin.tian@intel.com>, kvm@vger.kernel.org, Matthew Rosato <mjrosato@linux.ibm.com>, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>, Nicolin Chen <nicolinc@nvidia.com>, Niklas Schnelle <schnelle@linux.ibm.com>, Shameerali Kolothum Thodi <shameerali.kolothum.thodi@huawei.com>, Yi Liu <yi.l.liu@intel.com>, Keqian Zhu <zhukeqian1@huawei.com> Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 11/12] iommufd: vfio container FD ioctl compatibility Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 09:13:17 +0100 [thread overview] Message-ID: <09a6557f-b881-081c-abdf-266516f7b0eb@redhat.com> (raw) In-Reply-To: <20220324003342.GV11336@nvidia.com> Hi, On 3/24/22 1:33 AM, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 04:51:25PM -0600, Alex Williamson wrote: > >> My overall question here would be whether we can actually achieve a >> compatibility interface that has sufficient feature transparency that we >> can dump vfio code in favor of this interface, or will there be enough >> niche use cases that we need to keep type1 and vfio containers around >> through a deprecation process? > Other than SPAPR, I think we can. > >> The locked memory differences for one seem like something that >> libvirt wouldn't want hidden > I'm first interested to have an understanding how this change becomes > a real problem in practice that requires libvirt to do something > different for vfio or iommufd. We can discuss in the other thread > > If this is the make or break point then I think we can deal with it > either by going back to what vfio does now or perhaps some other > friendly compat approach.. > >> and we have questions regarding support for vaddr hijacking > I'm not sure what vaddr hijacking is? Do you mean > VFIO_DMA_MAP_FLAG_VADDR ? There is a comment that outlines my plan to > implement it in a functionally compatible way without the deadlock > problem. I estimate this as a small project. > >> and different ideas how to implement dirty page tracking, > I don't think this is compatibility. No kernel today triggers qemu to > use this feature as no kernel supports live migration. No existing > qemu will trigger this feature with new kernels that support live > migration v2. Therefore we can adjust qemu's dirty tracking at the > same time we enable migration v2 in qemu. > > With Joao's work we are close to having a solid RFC to come with > something that can be fully implemented. > > Hopefully we can agree to this soon enough that qemu can come with a > full package of migration v2 support including the dirty tracking > solution. > >> not to mention the missing features that are currently well used, >> like p2p mappings, coherency tracking, mdev, etc. > I consider these all mandatory things, they won't be left out. > > The reason they are not in the RFC is mostly because supporting them > requires work outside just this iommufd area, and I'd like this series > to remain self-contained. > > I've already got a draft to add DMABUF support to VFIO PCI which > nicely solves the follow_pfn security problem, we want to do this for > another reason already. I'm waiting for some testing feedback before > posting it. Need some help from Daniel make the DMABUF revoke semantic > him and I have been talking about. In the worst case can copy the > follow_pfn approach. > > Intel no-snoop is simple enough, just needs some Intel cleanup parts. > > mdev will come along with the final VFIO integration, all the really > hard parts are done already. The VFIO integration is a medium sized > task overall. > > So, I'm not ready to give up yet :) > >> Where do we focus attention? Is symlinking device files our proposal >> to userspace and is that something achievable, or do we want to use >> this compatibility interface as a means to test the interface and >> allow userspace to make use of it for transition, if their use cases >> allow it, perhaps eventually performing the symlink after deprecation >> and eventual removal of the vfio container and type1 code? Thanks, > symlinking device files is definitely just a suggested way to expedite > testing. > > Things like qemu that are learning to use iommufd-only features should > learn to directly open iommufd instead of vfio container to activate > those features. > > Looking long down the road I don't think we want to have type 1 and > iommufd code forever. So, I would like to make an option to compile > out vfio container support entirely and have that option arrange for > iommufd to provide the container device node itself. I am currently working on migrating the QEMU VFIO device onto the new API because since after our discussions the compat mode cannot be used anyway to implemented nesting. I hope I will be able to present something next week. Thanks Eric > > I think we can get there pretty quickly, or at least I haven't got > anything that is scaring me alot (beyond SPAPR of course) > > For the dpdk/etcs of the world I think we are already there. > > Jason >
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-03-24 8:13 UTC|newest] Thread overview: 244+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top 2022-03-18 17:27 [PATCH RFC 00/12] IOMMUFD Generic interface Jason Gunthorpe 2022-03-18 17:27 ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu 2022-03-18 17:27 ` [PATCH RFC 01/12] interval-tree: Add a utility to iterate over spans in an interval tree Jason Gunthorpe 2022-03-18 17:27 ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu 2022-03-18 17:27 ` [PATCH RFC 02/12] iommufd: Overview documentation Jason Gunthorpe 2022-03-18 17:27 ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu 2022-03-18 17:27 ` [PATCH RFC 03/12] iommufd: File descriptor, context, kconfig and makefiles Jason Gunthorpe 2022-03-18 17:27 ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu 2022-03-22 14:18 ` Niklas Schnelle 2022-03-22 14:18 ` Niklas Schnelle 2022-03-22 14:50 ` Jason Gunthorpe 2022-03-22 14:50 ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu 2022-03-18 17:27 ` [PATCH RFC 04/12] kernel/user: Allow user::locked_vm to be usable for iommufd Jason Gunthorpe 2022-03-18 17:27 ` 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