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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
Cc: Lu Baolu <baolu.lu@linux.intel.com>,
	Chaitanya Kulkarni <chaitanyak@nvidia.com>,
	Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	Daniel Jordan <daniel.m.jordan@oracle.com>,
	David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>,
	Eric Auger <eric.auger@redhat.com>,
	iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	Jean-Philippe Brucker <jean-philippe@linaro.org>,
	Joao Martins <joao.m.martins@oracle.com>,
	Kevin Tian <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, Matthew Rosato <mjrosato@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Nicolin Chen <nicolinc@nvidia.com>,
	Niklas Schnelle <schnelle@linux.ibm.com>,
	Shameerali Kolothum Thodi  <shameerali.kolothum.thodi@huawei.com>,
	Yi Liu <yi.l.liu@intel.com>, Keqian Zhu <zhukeqian1@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 08/12] iommufd: IOCTLs for the io_pagetable
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 16:34:39 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220323193439.GS11336@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220323131038.3b5cb95b.alex.williamson@redhat.com>

On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 01:10:38PM -0600, Alex Williamson wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 14:27:33 -0300
> Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com> wrote:
> 
> > +static int conv_iommu_prot(u32 map_flags)
> > +{
> > +	int iommu_prot;
> > +
> > +	/*
> > +	 * We provide no manual cache coherency ioctls to userspace and most
> > +	 * architectures make the CPU ops for cache flushing privileged.
> > +	 * Therefore we require the underlying IOMMU to support CPU coherent
> > +	 * operation.
> > +	 */
> > +	iommu_prot = IOMMU_CACHE;
> 
> Where is this requirement enforced?  AIUI we'd need to test
> IOMMU_CAP_CACHE_COHERENCY somewhere since functions like
> intel_iommu_map() simply drop the flag when not supported by HW.

You are right, the correct thing to do is to fail device
binding/attach entirely if IOMMU_CAP_CACHE_COHERENCY is not there,
however we can't do that because Intel abuses the meaning of
IOMMU_CAP_CACHE_COHERENCY to mean their special no-snoop behavior is
supported.

I want Intel to split out their special no-snoop from IOMMU_CACHE and
IOMMU_CAP_CACHE_COHERENCY so these things have a consisent meaning in
all iommu drivers. Once this is done vfio and iommufd should both
always set IOMMU_CACHE and refuse to work without
IOMMU_CAP_CACHE_COHERENCY. (unless someone knows of an !IOMMU_CACHE
arch that does in fact work today with vfio, somehow, but I don't..)

I added a fixme about this.

> This also seems like an issue relative to vfio compatibility that I
> don't see mentioned in that patch.  Thanks,

Yes, it was missed in the notes for vfio compat that Intel no-snoop is
not working currently, I fixed it.

Thanks,
Jason

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From: Jason Gunthorpe via iommu <iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org>
To: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
Cc: Jean-Philippe Brucker <jean-philippe@linaro.org>,
	Chaitanya Kulkarni <chaitanyak@nvidia.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	Niklas Schnelle <schnelle@linux.ibm.com>,
	Kevin Tian <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
	Daniel Jordan <daniel.m.jordan@oracle.com>,
	iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Joao Martins <joao.m.martins@oracle.com>,
	David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 08/12] iommufd: IOCTLs for the io_pagetable
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 16:34:39 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220323193439.GS11336@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220323131038.3b5cb95b.alex.williamson@redhat.com>

On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 01:10:38PM -0600, Alex Williamson wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 14:27:33 -0300
> Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com> wrote:
> 
> > +static int conv_iommu_prot(u32 map_flags)
> > +{
> > +	int iommu_prot;
> > +
> > +	/*
> > +	 * We provide no manual cache coherency ioctls to userspace and most
> > +	 * architectures make the CPU ops for cache flushing privileged.
> > +	 * Therefore we require the underlying IOMMU to support CPU coherent
> > +	 * operation.
> > +	 */
> > +	iommu_prot = IOMMU_CACHE;
> 
> Where is this requirement enforced?  AIUI we'd need to test
> IOMMU_CAP_CACHE_COHERENCY somewhere since functions like
> intel_iommu_map() simply drop the flag when not supported by HW.

You are right, the correct thing to do is to fail device
binding/attach entirely if IOMMU_CAP_CACHE_COHERENCY is not there,
however we can't do that because Intel abuses the meaning of
IOMMU_CAP_CACHE_COHERENCY to mean their special no-snoop behavior is
supported.

I want Intel to split out their special no-snoop from IOMMU_CACHE and
IOMMU_CAP_CACHE_COHERENCY so these things have a consisent meaning in
all iommu drivers. Once this is done vfio and iommufd should both
always set IOMMU_CACHE and refuse to work without
IOMMU_CAP_CACHE_COHERENCY. (unless someone knows of an !IOMMU_CACHE
arch that does in fact work today with vfio, somehow, but I don't..)

I added a fixme about this.

> This also seems like an issue relative to vfio compatibility that I
> don't see mentioned in that patch.  Thanks,

Yes, it was missed in the notes for vfio compat that Intel no-snoop is
not working currently, I fixed it.

Thanks,
Jason
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  reply	other threads:[~2022-03-23 19:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 244+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-03-18 17:27 [PATCH RFC 00/12] IOMMUFD Generic interface Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-18 17:27 ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-03-18 17:27 ` [PATCH RFC 01/12] interval-tree: Add a utility to iterate over spans in an interval tree Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-18 17:27   ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-03-18 17:27 ` [PATCH RFC 02/12] iommufd: Overview documentation Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-18 17:27   ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-03-18 17:27 ` [PATCH RFC 03/12] iommufd: File descriptor, context, kconfig and makefiles Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-18 17:27   ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-03-22 14:18   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-03-22 14:18     ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-03-22 14:50     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-22 14:50       ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-03-18 17:27 ` [PATCH RFC 04/12] kernel/user: Allow user::locked_vm to be usable for iommufd Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-18 17:27   ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-03-22 14:28   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-03-22 14:28     ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-03-22 14:57     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-22 14:57       ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-03-22 15:29       ` Alex Williamson
2022-03-22 15:29         ` Alex Williamson
2022-03-22 16:15         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-22 16:15           ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-03-24  2:11           ` Tian, Kevin
2022-03-24  2:11             ` Tian, Kevin
2022-03-24  2:27             ` Jason Wang
2022-03-24  2:27               ` Jason Wang
2022-03-24  2:42               ` Tian, Kevin
2022-03-24  2:42                 ` Tian, Kevin
2022-03-24  2:57                 ` Jason Wang
2022-03-24  2:57                   ` Jason Wang
2022-03-24  3:15                   ` Tian, Kevin
2022-03-24  3:15                     ` Tian, Kevin
2022-03-24  3:50                     ` Jason Wang
2022-03-24  3:50                       ` Jason Wang
2022-03-24  4:29                       ` Tian, Kevin
2022-03-24  4:29                         ` Tian, Kevin
2022-03-24 11:46                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-24 11:46                         ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-03-28  1:53                         ` Jason Wang
2022-03-28  1:53                           ` Jason Wang
2022-03-28 12:22                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-28 12:22                             ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-03-29  4:59                             ` Jason Wang
2022-03-29  4:59                               ` Jason Wang
2022-03-29 11:46                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-29 11:46                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-03-28 13:14                           ` Sean Mooney
2022-03-28 13:14                             ` Sean Mooney
2022-03-28 14:27                             ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-03-28 14:27                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-24 20:40           ` Alex Williamson
2022-03-24 20:40             ` Alex Williamson
2022-03-24 22:27             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-24 22:27               ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-03-24 22:41               ` Alex Williamson
2022-03-24 22:41                 ` Alex Williamson
2022-03-22 16:31       ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-03-22 16:31         ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-03-22 16:41         ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-03-22 16:41           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-18 17:27 ` [PATCH RFC 05/12] iommufd: PFN handling for iopt_pages Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-18 17:27   ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-03-23 15:37   ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-03-23 15:37     ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-03-23 16:09     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-23 16:09       ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-03-18 17:27 ` [PATCH RFC 06/12] iommufd: Algorithms for PFN storage Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-18 17:27   ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-03-18 17:27 ` [PATCH RFC 07/12] iommufd: Data structure to provide IOVA to PFN mapping Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-18 17:27   ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-03-22 22:15   ` Alex Williamson
2022-03-22 22:15     ` Alex Williamson
2022-03-23 18:15     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-23 18:15       ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-03-24  3:09       ` Tian, Kevin
2022-03-24  3:09         ` Tian, Kevin
2022-03-24 12:46         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-24 12:46           ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-03-25 13:34   ` zhangfei.gao
2022-03-25 13:34     ` zhangfei.gao
2022-03-25 17:19     ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-03-25 17:19       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-13 14:02   ` Yi Liu
2022-04-13 14:02     ` Yi Liu
2022-04-13 14:36     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-13 14:36       ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-04-13 14:49       ` Yi Liu
2022-04-13 14:49         ` Yi Liu
2022-04-17 14:56         ` Yi Liu
2022-04-17 14:56           ` Yi Liu
2022-04-18 10:47           ` Yi Liu
2022-04-18 10:47             ` Yi Liu
2022-03-18 17:27 ` [PATCH RFC 08/12] iommufd: IOCTLs for the io_pagetable Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-18 17:27   ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-03-23 19:10   ` Alex Williamson
2022-03-23 19:10     ` Alex Williamson
2022-03-23 19:34     ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2022-03-23 19:34       ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-03-23 20:04       ` Alex Williamson
2022-03-23 20:04         ` Alex Williamson
2022-03-23 20:34         ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-03-23 20:34           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-23 22:54           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-23 22:54             ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-03-24  7:25             ` Tian, Kevin
2022-03-24  7:25               ` Tian, Kevin
2022-03-24 13:46               ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-03-24 13:46                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-25  2:15                 ` Tian, Kevin
2022-03-25  2:15                   ` Tian, Kevin
2022-03-27  2:32                 ` Tian, Kevin
2022-03-27  2:32                   ` Tian, Kevin
2022-03-27 14:28                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-27 14:28                     ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-03-28 17:17                 ` Alex Williamson
2022-03-28 17:17                   ` Alex Williamson
2022-03-28 18:57                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-28 18:57                     ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-03-28 19:47                     ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-03-28 19:47                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-28 21:26                       ` Alex Williamson
2022-03-28 21:26                         ` Alex Williamson
2022-03-24  6:46           ` Tian, Kevin
2022-03-24  6:46             ` Tian, Kevin
2022-03-30 13:35   ` Yi Liu
2022-03-30 13:35     ` Yi Liu
2022-03-31 12:59     ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-03-31 12:59       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-01 13:30       ` Yi Liu
2022-04-01 13:30         ` Yi Liu
2022-03-31  4:36   ` David Gibson
2022-03-31  4:36     ` David Gibson
2022-03-31  5:41     ` Tian, Kevin
2022-03-31  5:41       ` Tian, Kevin
2022-03-31 12:58     ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-03-31 12:58       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-28  5:58       ` David Gibson
2022-04-28  5:58         ` David Gibson
2022-04-28 14:22         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-28 14:22           ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-04-29  6:00           ` David Gibson
2022-04-29  6:00             ` David Gibson
2022-04-29 12:54             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-29 12:54               ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-04-30 14:44               ` David Gibson
2022-04-30 14:44                 ` David Gibson
2022-03-18 17:27 ` [PATCH RFC 09/12] iommufd: Add a HW pagetable object Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-18 17:27   ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-03-18 17:27 ` [PATCH RFC 10/12] iommufd: Add kAPI toward external drivers Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-18 17:27   ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-03-23 18:10   ` Alex Williamson
2022-03-23 18:10     ` Alex Williamson
2022-03-23 18:15     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-23 18:15       ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-05-11 12:54   ` Yi Liu
2022-05-11 12:54     ` Yi Liu
2022-05-19  9:45   ` Yi Liu
2022-05-19  9:45     ` Yi Liu
2022-05-19 12:35     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-05-19 12:35       ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-03-18 17:27 ` [PATCH RFC 11/12] iommufd: vfio container FD ioctl compatibility Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-18 17:27   ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-03-23 22:51   ` Alex Williamson
2022-03-23 22:51     ` Alex Williamson
2022-03-24  0:33     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-24  0:33       ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-03-24  8:13       ` Eric Auger
2022-03-24  8:13         ` Eric Auger
2022-03-24 22:04       ` Alex Williamson
2022-03-24 22:04         ` Alex Williamson
2022-03-24 23:11         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-24 23:11           ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-03-25  3:10           ` Tian, Kevin
2022-03-25  3:10             ` Tian, Kevin
2022-03-25 11:24           ` Joao Martins
2022-03-25 11:24             ` Joao Martins
2022-04-28 14:53         ` David Gibson
2022-04-28 14:53           ` David Gibson
2022-04-28 15:10           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-28 15:10             ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-04-29  1:21             ` Tian, Kevin
2022-04-29  1:21               ` Tian, Kevin
2022-04-29  6:22               ` David Gibson
2022-04-29  6:22                 ` David Gibson
2022-04-29 12:50                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-29 12:50                   ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-05-02  4:10                   ` David Gibson
2022-05-02  4:10                     ` David Gibson
2022-04-29  6:20             ` David Gibson
2022-04-29  6:20               ` David Gibson
2022-04-29 12:48               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-29 12:48                 ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-05-02  7:30                 ` David Gibson
2022-05-02  7:30                   ` David Gibson
2022-05-05 19:07                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-05-05 19:07                     ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-05-06  5:25                     ` David Gibson
2022-05-06  5:25                       ` David Gibson
2022-05-06 10:42                       ` Tian, Kevin
2022-05-06 10:42                         ` Tian, Kevin
2022-05-09  3:36                         ` David Gibson
2022-05-09  3:36                           ` David Gibson
2022-05-06 12:48                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-05-06 12:48                         ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-05-09  6:01                         ` David Gibson
2022-05-09  6:01                           ` David Gibson
2022-05-09 14:00                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-05-09 14:00                             ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-05-10  7:12                             ` David Gibson
2022-05-10  7:12                               ` David Gibson
2022-05-10 19:00                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-05-10 19:00                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-05-11  3:15                                 ` Tian, Kevin
2022-05-11  3:15                                   ` Tian, Kevin
2022-05-11 16:32                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-05-11 16:32                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-05-11 23:23                                     ` Tian, Kevin
2022-05-11 23:23                                       ` Tian, Kevin
2022-05-13  4:35                                   ` David Gibson
2022-05-13  4:35                                     ` David Gibson
2022-05-11  4:40                                 ` David Gibson
2022-05-11  4:40                                   ` David Gibson
2022-05-11  2:46                             ` Tian, Kevin
2022-05-11  2:46                               ` Tian, Kevin
2022-05-23  6:02           ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2022-05-23  6:02             ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2022-05-24 13:25             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-05-24 13:25               ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-05-25  1:39               ` David Gibson
2022-05-25  1:39                 ` David Gibson
2022-05-25  2:09               ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2022-05-25  2:09                 ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2022-03-29  9:17     ` Yi Liu
2022-03-29  9:17       ` Yi Liu
2022-03-18 17:27 ` [PATCH RFC 12/12] iommufd: Add a selftest Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-18 17:27   ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-04-12 20:13 ` [PATCH RFC 00/12] IOMMUFD Generic interface Eric Auger
2022-04-12 20:13   ` Eric Auger
2022-04-12 20:22   ` Jason Gunthorpe via iommu
2022-04-12 20:22     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-04-12 20:50     ` Eric Auger
2022-04-12 20:50       ` Eric Auger
2022-04-14 10:56 ` Yi Liu
2022-04-14 10:56   ` Yi Liu

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