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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Jean Delvare <khali@linux-fr.org>
Cc: Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>, Chuck Ebbert <cebbert@redhat.com>,
	Rudolf Marek <r.marek@assembler.cz>,
	linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	lm-sensors@lm-sensors.org
Subject: Re: [lm-sensors] Could the k8temp driver be interfering with ACPI?
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 14:57:06 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070302135706.GE2156@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070302143720.cfd8afeb.khali@linux-fr.org>

On Fri 2007-03-02 14:37:20, Jean Delvare wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 12:31:58 +0100, Pavel Machek wrote:
> > > My point (which you didn't quote) was that there is no correlation
> > > between the SMBus being hidden and ACPI accessing the hardware
> > > monitoring chip, contrary to what Pavel was suggesting.
> > 
> > It may not be correlated with ACPI, but BIOS authors clearly want to
> > keep you away from their SMBus controllers....
> 
> drivers/pci/quirks.c is full of things we do against the BIOS authors
> intent. You don't plan to remove them all, do you?

Notice how quirks.c is careful to name machines where given quirk is
used.

If you do whitelist "it is okay to do sensors accesses on this board",
that is okay with me. But having quirk "on all future Intel chipsets,
do foo" would be stupid. Enabling sensors blindly is pretty similar.

> (And as a side note, this is really the board's owner SMBus controller.
> The hardware doesn't belong to the BIOS author.)

True.
									Pavel
-- 
(english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek
(cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html

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From: pavel@ucw.cz (Pavel Machek)
To: Jean Delvare <khali@linux-fr.org>
Cc: Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>, Chuck Ebbert <cebbert@redhat.com>,
	Rudolf Marek <r.marek@assembler.cz>,
	linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	lm-sensors@lm-sensors.org
Subject: [lm-sensors] Could the k8temp driver be interfering with ACPI?
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 13:57:06 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070302135706.GE2156@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070302143720.cfd8afeb.khali@linux-fr.org>

On Fri 2007-03-02 14:37:20, Jean Delvare wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 12:31:58 +0100, Pavel Machek wrote:
> > > My point (which you didn't quote) was that there is no correlation
> > > between the SMBus being hidden and ACPI accessing the hardware
> > > monitoring chip, contrary to what Pavel was suggesting.
> > 
> > It may not be correlated with ACPI, but BIOS authors clearly want to
> > keep you away from their SMBus controllers....
> 
> drivers/pci/quirks.c is full of things we do against the BIOS authors
> intent. You don't plan to remove them all, do you?

Notice how quirks.c is careful to name machines where given quirk is
used.

If you do whitelist "it is okay to do sensors accesses on this board",
that is okay with me. But having quirk "on all future Intel chipsets,
do foo" would be stupid. Enabling sensors blindly is pretty similar.

> (And as a side note, this is really the board's owner SMBus controller.
> The hardware doesn't belong to the BIOS author.)

True.
									Pavel
-- 
(english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek
(cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html


  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-03-02 13:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 220+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-02-16 17:31 Could the k8temp driver be interfering with ACPI? Chuck Ebbert
2007-02-16 17:31 ` [lm-sensors] " Chuck Ebbert
2007-02-16 17:57 ` Len Brown
2007-02-16 17:57   ` [lm-sensors] " Len Brown
2007-02-16 18:14   ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-02-16 18:14     ` [lm-sensors] " Chuck Ebbert
2007-02-16 19:59 ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-16 19:59   ` [lm-sensors] " Andi Kleen
2007-02-16 19:31   ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-02-16 19:31     ` [lm-sensors] " Chuck Ebbert
2007-02-18 17:32     ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-18 17:32       ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-18 23:22       ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-18 23:22         ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-17 10:49 ` Rudolf Marek
2007-02-17 10:49   ` [lm-sensors] " Rudolf Marek
2007-02-17 10:49   ` Rudolf Marek
2007-02-17 18:14   ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-02-17 18:14     ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-02-18 17:38     ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-18 17:38       ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-20 15:18       ` Matthew Garrett
2007-02-20 15:18         ` Matthew Garrett
2007-02-20 15:33         ` Luca Tettamanti
2007-02-20 15:33           ` Luca Tettamanti
2007-02-21 14:59           ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-21 14:59             ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-21 15:07         ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-21 15:07           ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-28 21:38       ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-28 21:38         ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-01 14:26         ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-01 14:26           ` [lm-sensors] " Jean Delvare
2007-03-01 14:26           ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-01 17:48           ` Dave Jones
2007-03-01 17:48             ` Dave Jones
2007-03-02 11:27             ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 11:27               ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 11:31               ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-02 11:31                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-02 13:37                 ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 13:37                   ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 13:47                   ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-03-02 13:47                     ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-03-02 13:57                   ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2007-03-02 13:57                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-03  6:44                     ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-03  6:44                       ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 11:40           ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-02 11:40             ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-02 11:47             ` Matthew Garrett
2007-03-02 11:47               ` Matthew Garrett
2007-03-02 13:58               ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-02 13:58                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-02 21:00                 ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 21:00                   ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 21:22                   ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-03-02 21:22                     ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-04-01 15:39                   ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-01 15:39                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-02 15:48                     ` Jean Delvare
2007-04-02 15:48                       ` [lm-sensors] " Jean Delvare
2007-04-02 19:22                       ` Dave Jones
2007-04-02 19:22                         ` [lm-sensors] " Dave Jones
2007-04-03  5:49                         ` Jean Delvare
2007-04-03  5:49                           ` [lm-sensors] " Jean Delvare
2007-04-02 20:55                       ` Moore, Robert
2007-04-02 20:55                         ` [lm-sensors] " Moore, Robert
2007-04-02 20:55                         ` Moore, Robert
2007-04-03  7:21                         ` Jean Delvare
2007-04-03  7:21                           ` [lm-sensors] " Jean Delvare
2007-04-03  7:21                           ` Jean Delvare
2007-04-04 21:35                           ` Moore, Robert
2007-04-04 21:35                             ` [lm-sensors] " Moore, Robert
2007-04-04 21:35                             ` Moore, Robert
2007-03-02 14:10               ` [lm-sensors] " Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 14:10                 ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 14:18                 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-03-02 14:18                   ` Matthew Garrett
2007-03-02 21:04                   ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 21:04                     ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 21:12                     ` Matthew Garrett
2007-03-02 21:12                       ` Matthew Garrett
2007-03-03  9:53                       ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-03  9:53                         ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-03 15:47                         ` David Hubbard
2007-03-03 15:47                           ` David Hubbard
2007-03-03 15:50                           ` Matthew Garrett
2007-03-03 15:50                             ` Matthew Garrett
2007-03-03 17:08                             ` Rudolf Marek
2007-03-03 17:08                               ` Rudolf Marek
2007-03-04 17:29                               ` Rudolf Marek
2007-03-04 17:29                                 ` Rudolf Marek
2007-03-05 21:16                                 ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-05 21:16                                   ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-05 21:35                                   ` David Hubbard
2007-03-05 21:35                                     ` David Hubbard
2007-03-06 15:10                                     ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-06 15:10                                       ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-04 10:54                           ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-04 10:54                             ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-05 22:25                         ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-05 22:25                           ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-06  7:55                           ` Benny Amorsen
2007-03-06  7:55                             ` Benny Amorsen
2007-03-06 15:26                           ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-06 15:26                             ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-06 20:07                             ` Stefan Monnier
2007-03-06 20:07                               ` Stefan Monnier
2007-03-06 20:07                               ` Stefan Monnier
2007-03-06 21:20                             ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-06 21:20                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-06 21:25                               ` Moore, Robert
2007-03-06 21:25                                 ` Moore, Robert
2007-03-06 21:25                                 ` Moore, Robert
2007-03-18 19:36                         ` richardvoigt
2007-03-18 19:36                           ` richardvoigt at gmail.com
2007-03-19  7:08                           ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-19  7:08                             ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 22:07                     ` Moore, Robert
2007-03-02 22:07                       ` Moore, Robert
2007-03-02 22:07                       ` Moore, Robert
2007-03-09  7:18                       ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-09  7:18                         ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-09 10:24                         ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-09 10:24                           ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-09 10:39                           ` Alexey Starikovskiy
2007-03-09 10:39                             ` Alexey Starikovskiy
2007-03-09 11:21                             ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-09 11:21                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-09 17:23                             ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-09 17:23                               ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-09 17:35                               ` Alexey Starikovskiy
2007-03-09 17:35                                 ` Alexey Starikovskiy
2007-03-09 21:03                                 ` Moore, Robert
2007-03-09 21:03                                   ` Moore, Robert
2007-03-09 21:03                                   ` Moore, Robert
2007-03-09 20:56                         ` Moore, Robert
2007-03-09 20:56                           ` Moore, Robert
2007-03-09 20:56                           ` Moore, Robert
2007-03-02 14:22                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-02 14:22                   ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-02 14:03             ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 14:03               ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 14:24               ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-02 14:24                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-02 14:57               ` Matthew Garrett
2007-03-02 14:57                 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-03-02 21:41                 ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 21:41                   ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 21:46                   ` Matthew Garrett
2007-03-02 21:46                     ` Matthew Garrett
2007-03-06 21:28                     ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-06 21:28                       ` Jean Delvare
2007-04-13 18:18               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-04-13 18:18                 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-04-13 20:07                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-13 20:07                   ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-13 20:59                   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-04-13 20:59                     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-04-15  9:41                     ` Jean Delvare
2007-04-15  9:41                       ` Jean Delvare
2007-04-15 20:31                       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-04-15 20:31                         ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-04-15 20:59                         ` Luca Tettamanti
2007-04-15 20:59                           ` Luca Tettamanti
2007-04-16  0:57                           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-04-16  0:57                             ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-04-16 21:14                             ` Luca Tettamanti
2007-04-16 21:14                               ` Luca Tettamanti
2007-04-16 22:28                               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-04-16 22:28                                 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-04-17 23:50                                 ` Luca Tettamanti
2007-04-17 23:50                                   ` Luca Tettamanti
2007-04-22 16:55                                   ` Luca Tettamanti
2007-04-22 16:55                                     ` Luca Tettamanti
2007-04-17 10:03                               ` Jean Delvare
2007-04-17 10:03                                 ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-18 22:43     ` Rudolf Marek
2007-02-18 22:43       ` Rudolf Marek
2007-02-20 15:08       ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-02-20 15:08         ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-02-20 19:11         ` Dave Jones
2007-02-20 19:11           ` Dave Jones
2007-02-21 16:17           ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-21 16:17             ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-21 17:37             ` Dave Jones
2007-02-21 17:37               ` Dave Jones
2007-02-21 20:19               ` Dave Jones
2007-02-21 20:19                 ` Dave Jones
2007-02-22 16:37                 ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-22 16:37                   ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-23  7:13                   ` Hans de Goede
2007-02-23  7:13                     ` [lm-sensors] " Hans de Goede
2007-02-23  7:13                     ` Hans de Goede
2007-02-23  7:47                     ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-23  7:47                       ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-21 14:54         ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-21 14:54           ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-21 16:03           ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-02-21 16:03             ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-02-21 16:22             ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-21 16:22               ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-23  8:08 ` Hans de Goede
2007-02-26 17:24 ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-26 19:03 ` Hans de Goede
2007-02-27  8:45 ` Jean Delvare
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     [not found]   ` <7TUBX-6TN-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <7UeqX-4QO-17@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <7UeqZ-4QO-27@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]         ` <7UgM5-np-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]           ` <7UgM8-np-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
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2007-03-05 13:56                     ` Bodo Eggert
2007-03-05 13:56                       ` Bodo Eggert
2007-03-05 13:56                       ` Bodo Eggert
2007-03-06 15:19                       ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-06 15:19                         ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-06 20:40                         ` Bodo Eggert
2007-03-06 20:40                           ` Bodo Eggert
2007-03-07  9:17                           ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-07  9:17                             ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-07  9:36                             ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-07  9:36                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-07 17:09                             ` Bodo Eggert
2007-03-07 17:09                               ` Bodo Eggert

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