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From: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>
To: Jean Delvare <khali@linux-fr.org>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>, Chuck Ebbert <cebbert@redhat.com>,
	Rudolf Marek <r.marek@assembler.cz>,
	linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	lm-sensors@lm-sensors.org
Subject: Re: [lm-sensors] Could the k8temp driver be interfering with ACPI?
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 21:12:51 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070302211251.GA10035@srcf.ucam.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070302220454.a0c66d04.khali@linux-fr.org>

On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 10:04:54PM +0100, Jean Delvare wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 14:18:40 +0000, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> > In theory I /think/ so, but it would probably end up being an 
> > overestimate of the coverage actually needed. Trapping at runtime is 
> > arguably more elegant?
> 
> It might be more elegant but it won't work. We don't want to prevent
> ACPI from accessing these I/O ports. If we need to choose only one
> "driver" accessing the I/O port, it must be acpi, at leat for now,
> despite the fact that acpi provides very weak hardware monitoring
> capabilities compared to the specific drivers.

Assuming arbitration of access, what's the problem with having two 
drivers accessing the same hardware? Do these chips generally have any 
significant internal state other than trip points and the like?

> Why would we end up with an overestimation if we check the I/O ports at
> boot time? Do you have concrete cases in mind?

ACPI will often describe large operation regions, but won't necessarily 
touch all of them. Effectively, every codepath would have to be walked 
through at boot time and checked for io access.

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59@srcf.ucam.org

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: mjg59@srcf.ucam.org (Matthew Garrett)
To: Jean Delvare <khali@linux-fr.org>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>, Chuck Ebbert <cebbert@redhat.com>,
	Rudolf Marek <r.marek@assembler.cz>,
	linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	lm-sensors@lm-sensors.org
Subject: [lm-sensors] Could the k8temp driver be interfering with ACPI?
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 21:12:51 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070302211251.GA10035@srcf.ucam.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070302220454.a0c66d04.khali@linux-fr.org>

On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 10:04:54PM +0100, Jean Delvare wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 14:18:40 +0000, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> > In theory I /think/ so, but it would probably end up being an 
> > overestimate of the coverage actually needed. Trapping at runtime is 
> > arguably more elegant?
> 
> It might be more elegant but it won't work. We don't want to prevent
> ACPI from accessing these I/O ports. If we need to choose only one
> "driver" accessing the I/O port, it must be acpi, at leat for now,
> despite the fact that acpi provides very weak hardware monitoring
> capabilities compared to the specific drivers.

Assuming arbitration of access, what's the problem with having two 
drivers accessing the same hardware? Do these chips generally have any 
significant internal state other than trip points and the like?

> Why would we end up with an overestimation if we check the I/O ports at
> boot time? Do you have concrete cases in mind?

ACPI will often describe large operation regions, but won't necessarily 
touch all of them. Effectively, every codepath would have to be walked 
through at boot time and checked for io access.

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org


  reply	other threads:[~2007-03-02 21:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 220+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-02-16 17:31 Could the k8temp driver be interfering with ACPI? Chuck Ebbert
2007-02-16 17:31 ` [lm-sensors] " Chuck Ebbert
2007-02-16 17:57 ` Len Brown
2007-02-16 17:57   ` [lm-sensors] " Len Brown
2007-02-16 18:14   ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-02-16 18:14     ` [lm-sensors] " Chuck Ebbert
2007-02-16 19:59 ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-16 19:59   ` [lm-sensors] " Andi Kleen
2007-02-16 19:31   ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-02-16 19:31     ` [lm-sensors] " Chuck Ebbert
2007-02-18 17:32     ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-18 17:32       ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-18 23:22       ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-18 23:22         ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-17 10:49 ` Rudolf Marek
2007-02-17 10:49   ` [lm-sensors] " Rudolf Marek
2007-02-17 10:49   ` Rudolf Marek
2007-02-17 18:14   ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-02-17 18:14     ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-02-18 17:38     ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-18 17:38       ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-20 15:18       ` Matthew Garrett
2007-02-20 15:18         ` Matthew Garrett
2007-02-20 15:33         ` Luca Tettamanti
2007-02-20 15:33           ` Luca Tettamanti
2007-02-21 14:59           ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-21 14:59             ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-21 15:07         ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-21 15:07           ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-28 21:38       ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-28 21:38         ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-01 14:26         ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-01 14:26           ` [lm-sensors] " Jean Delvare
2007-03-01 14:26           ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-01 17:48           ` Dave Jones
2007-03-01 17:48             ` Dave Jones
2007-03-02 11:27             ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 11:27               ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 11:31               ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-02 11:31                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-02 13:37                 ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 13:37                   ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 13:47                   ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-03-02 13:47                     ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-03-02 13:57                   ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-02 13:57                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-03  6:44                     ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-03  6:44                       ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 11:40           ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-02 11:40             ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-02 11:47             ` Matthew Garrett
2007-03-02 11:47               ` Matthew Garrett
2007-03-02 13:58               ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-02 13:58                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-02 21:00                 ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 21:00                   ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 21:22                   ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-03-02 21:22                     ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-04-01 15:39                   ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-01 15:39                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-02 15:48                     ` Jean Delvare
2007-04-02 15:48                       ` [lm-sensors] " Jean Delvare
2007-04-02 19:22                       ` Dave Jones
2007-04-02 19:22                         ` [lm-sensors] " Dave Jones
2007-04-03  5:49                         ` Jean Delvare
2007-04-03  5:49                           ` [lm-sensors] " Jean Delvare
2007-04-02 20:55                       ` Moore, Robert
2007-04-02 20:55                         ` [lm-sensors] " Moore, Robert
2007-04-02 20:55                         ` Moore, Robert
2007-04-03  7:21                         ` Jean Delvare
2007-04-03  7:21                           ` [lm-sensors] " Jean Delvare
2007-04-03  7:21                           ` Jean Delvare
2007-04-04 21:35                           ` Moore, Robert
2007-04-04 21:35                             ` [lm-sensors] " Moore, Robert
2007-04-04 21:35                             ` Moore, Robert
2007-03-02 14:10               ` [lm-sensors] " Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 14:10                 ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 14:18                 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-03-02 14:18                   ` Matthew Garrett
2007-03-02 21:04                   ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 21:04                     ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 21:12                     ` Matthew Garrett [this message]
2007-03-02 21:12                       ` Matthew Garrett
2007-03-03  9:53                       ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-03  9:53                         ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-03 15:47                         ` David Hubbard
2007-03-03 15:47                           ` David Hubbard
2007-03-03 15:50                           ` Matthew Garrett
2007-03-03 15:50                             ` Matthew Garrett
2007-03-03 17:08                             ` Rudolf Marek
2007-03-03 17:08                               ` Rudolf Marek
2007-03-04 17:29                               ` Rudolf Marek
2007-03-04 17:29                                 ` Rudolf Marek
2007-03-05 21:16                                 ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-05 21:16                                   ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-05 21:35                                   ` David Hubbard
2007-03-05 21:35                                     ` David Hubbard
2007-03-06 15:10                                     ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-06 15:10                                       ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-04 10:54                           ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-04 10:54                             ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-05 22:25                         ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-05 22:25                           ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-06  7:55                           ` Benny Amorsen
2007-03-06  7:55                             ` Benny Amorsen
2007-03-06 15:26                           ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-06 15:26                             ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-06 20:07                             ` Stefan Monnier
2007-03-06 20:07                               ` Stefan Monnier
2007-03-06 20:07                               ` Stefan Monnier
2007-03-06 21:20                             ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-06 21:20                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-06 21:25                               ` Moore, Robert
2007-03-06 21:25                                 ` Moore, Robert
2007-03-06 21:25                                 ` Moore, Robert
2007-03-18 19:36                         ` richardvoigt
2007-03-18 19:36                           ` richardvoigt at gmail.com
2007-03-19  7:08                           ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-19  7:08                             ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 22:07                     ` Moore, Robert
2007-03-02 22:07                       ` Moore, Robert
2007-03-02 22:07                       ` Moore, Robert
2007-03-09  7:18                       ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-09  7:18                         ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-09 10:24                         ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-09 10:24                           ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-09 10:39                           ` Alexey Starikovskiy
2007-03-09 10:39                             ` Alexey Starikovskiy
2007-03-09 11:21                             ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-09 11:21                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-09 17:23                             ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-09 17:23                               ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-09 17:35                               ` Alexey Starikovskiy
2007-03-09 17:35                                 ` Alexey Starikovskiy
2007-03-09 21:03                                 ` Moore, Robert
2007-03-09 21:03                                   ` Moore, Robert
2007-03-09 21:03                                   ` Moore, Robert
2007-03-09 20:56                         ` Moore, Robert
2007-03-09 20:56                           ` Moore, Robert
2007-03-09 20:56                           ` Moore, Robert
2007-03-02 14:22                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-02 14:22                   ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-02 14:03             ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 14:03               ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 14:24               ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-02 14:24                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-02 14:57               ` Matthew Garrett
2007-03-02 14:57                 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-03-02 21:41                 ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 21:41                   ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 21:46                   ` Matthew Garrett
2007-03-02 21:46                     ` Matthew Garrett
2007-03-06 21:28                     ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-06 21:28                       ` Jean Delvare
2007-04-13 18:18               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-04-13 18:18                 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-04-13 20:07                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-13 20:07                   ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-13 20:59                   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-04-13 20:59                     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-04-15  9:41                     ` Jean Delvare
2007-04-15  9:41                       ` Jean Delvare
2007-04-15 20:31                       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-04-15 20:31                         ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-04-15 20:59                         ` Luca Tettamanti
2007-04-15 20:59                           ` Luca Tettamanti
2007-04-16  0:57                           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-04-16  0:57                             ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-04-16 21:14                             ` Luca Tettamanti
2007-04-16 21:14                               ` Luca Tettamanti
2007-04-16 22:28                               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-04-16 22:28                                 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-04-17 23:50                                 ` Luca Tettamanti
2007-04-17 23:50                                   ` Luca Tettamanti
2007-04-22 16:55                                   ` Luca Tettamanti
2007-04-22 16:55                                     ` Luca Tettamanti
2007-04-17 10:03                               ` Jean Delvare
2007-04-17 10:03                                 ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-18 22:43     ` Rudolf Marek
2007-02-18 22:43       ` Rudolf Marek
2007-02-20 15:08       ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-02-20 15:08         ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-02-20 19:11         ` Dave Jones
2007-02-20 19:11           ` Dave Jones
2007-02-21 16:17           ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-21 16:17             ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-21 17:37             ` Dave Jones
2007-02-21 17:37               ` Dave Jones
2007-02-21 20:19               ` Dave Jones
2007-02-21 20:19                 ` Dave Jones
2007-02-22 16:37                 ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-22 16:37                   ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-23  7:13                   ` Hans de Goede
2007-02-23  7:13                     ` [lm-sensors] " Hans de Goede
2007-02-23  7:13                     ` Hans de Goede
2007-02-23  7:47                     ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-23  7:47                       ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-21 14:54         ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-21 14:54           ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-21 16:03           ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-02-21 16:03             ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-02-21 16:22             ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-21 16:22               ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-23  8:08 ` Hans de Goede
2007-02-26 17:24 ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-26 19:03 ` Hans de Goede
2007-02-27  8:45 ` Jean Delvare
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2007-03-05 13:56                     ` Bodo Eggert
2007-03-05 13:56                       ` Bodo Eggert
2007-03-05 13:56                       ` Bodo Eggert
2007-03-06 15:19                       ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-06 15:19                         ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-06 20:40                         ` Bodo Eggert
2007-03-06 20:40                           ` Bodo Eggert
2007-03-07  9:17                           ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-07  9:17                             ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-07  9:36                             ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-07  9:36                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-07 17:09                             ` Bodo Eggert
2007-03-07 17:09                               ` Bodo Eggert

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