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From: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	gregkh@suse.de, Nicolas Pitre <nico@fluxnic.net>,
	linux-usb@vger.kernel.org, lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Rabin Vincent <rabin@rab.in>,
	Alexander Holler <holler@ahsoftware.de>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) instead of removing the packed attribute
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 20:02:40 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110620190240.GJ26089@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201106201858.45624.arnd@arndb.de>

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 06:58:45PM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> A recent change in gcc changed the default behaviour when compiling the
> ehci driver on ARM, but the behaviour was already nondeterministic
> because the definition of the readl/writel macros on ARM relies on
> unspecified behaviour (cast to pointer with larger aligment).

It's unspecified behaviour period.  If you pass a pointer to readl/writel
which is not word aligned, what you get back is anyones guess.

Unaligned load/stores to devices are 'unpredictable' on ARM, and are
probably unpredictable on any other sane arch (unless you can predict
how the load is going to be issued on the bus, how the peripheral is
going to respond, and how the bus activity is going to be assembled
into a word.)

So, to issue a readl against an u16 pointer is unpredictable not only
due to the C language, but also from the sanity point of view.

> We are also going to change the ARM implementation to always do 32 bit
> accesses in readl/writel, but the patch that went into the ehci driver
> was correct nonetheless.

Not without someone doing a comparitively large amount of work to analyze
the effect of any change there and make sure that it doesn't have a
negative impact to drivers.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: linux@arm.linux.org.uk (Russell King - ARM Linux)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) instead of removing the packed attribute
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 20:02:40 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110620190240.GJ26089@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201106201858.45624.arnd@arndb.de>

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 06:58:45PM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> A recent change in gcc changed the default behaviour when compiling the
> ehci driver on ARM, but the behaviour was already nondeterministic
> because the definition of the readl/writel macros on ARM relies on
> unspecified behaviour (cast to pointer with larger aligment).

It's unspecified behaviour period.  If you pass a pointer to readl/writel
which is not word aligned, what you get back is anyones guess.

Unaligned load/stores to devices are 'unpredictable' on ARM, and are
probably unpredictable on any other sane arch (unless you can predict
how the load is going to be issued on the bus, how the peripheral is
going to respond, and how the bus activity is going to be assembled
into a word.)

So, to issue a readl against an u16 pointer is unpredictable not only
due to the C language, but also from the sanity point of view.

> We are also going to change the ARM implementation to always do 32 bit
> accesses in readl/writel, but the patch that went into the ehci driver
> was correct nonetheless.

Not without someone doing a comparitively large amount of work to analyze
the effect of any change there and make sure that it doesn't have a
negative impact to drivers.

  reply	other threads:[~2011-06-20 19:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-04-27 14:34 [PATCH] echi: remove structure packing from ehci_def Rabin Vincent
2011-04-27 14:34 ` Rabin Vincent
2011-04-27 15:15 ` Sergei Shtylyov
2011-04-27 15:15   ` Sergei Shtylyov
2011-04-27 15:37   ` [PATCHv2] " Rabin Vincent
2011-04-27 15:37     ` Rabin Vincent
2011-06-16 16:17     ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) instead of removing the packed attribute Alexander Holler
2011-06-16 16:17       ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Alexander Holler
2011-06-16 17:09       ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern
2011-06-16 17:09         ` Alan Stern
2011-06-16 17:55         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-16 17:55           ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-16 19:25           ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alexander Holler
2011-06-16 19:25             ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-16 19:46             ` Alan Stern
2011-06-16 19:46               ` Alan Stern
2011-06-16 20:10               ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-16 20:10                 ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-16 20:20                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-16 20:20                   ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-19 15:02                   ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-19 15:02                     ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-19 19:00                     ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern
2011-06-19 19:00                       ` Alan Stern
2011-06-19 20:02                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-19 20:02                         ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-19 20:11                         ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-19 20:11                           ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-19 21:39                         ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-19 21:39                           ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-19 21:27                       ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-19 21:27                         ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 15:03                         ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern
2011-06-20 15:03                           ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 16:16                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 16:16                             ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 16:48                             ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern
2011-06-20 16:48                               ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 16:58                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 16:58                                 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 19:02                                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux [this message]
2011-06-20 19:02                                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-20 19:20                                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 19:20                                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 19:29                                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 19:29                                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 17:10                               ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 17:10                                 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 17:35                                 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern
2011-06-20 17:35                                   ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 18:48                                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-20 18:48                                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-20 20:26                                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 20:26                                       ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 20:50                                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 20:50                                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 20:55                                       ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-20 20:55                                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-20 21:23                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 21:23                                           ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 22:23                                           ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 22:23                                             ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-21 11:25                                             ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-21 11:25                                               ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-25  1:25                                               ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-25  8:09                                                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-28 18:51                                                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-29 10:56                                                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 19:14                                   ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 19:14                                     ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 19:32                                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-20 19:32                                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-20 20:14                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 20:14                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 20:42                                     ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern
2011-06-20 20:42                                       ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 22:36                                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 22:36                                         ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-21 15:06                                         ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern
2011-06-21 15:06                                           ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 17:39                                 ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-20 17:39                                   ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-20 18:39                                   ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 18:39                                     ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 18:46                                     ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-20 18:46                                       ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-20 18:57                                       ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 18:57                                         ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 19:56                                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 19:56                                       ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 21:04                                       ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern
2011-06-20 21:04                                         ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 22:31                                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 22:31                                           ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-21 14:58                                           ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern
2011-06-21 14:58                                             ` Alan Stern
2011-06-21 20:41                                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-21 20:41                                               ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-22  6:23                                               ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alexander Holler
2011-06-22  6:23                                                 ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-20 20:09                                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 20:09                                       ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 21:05                                       ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern
2011-06-20 21:05                                         ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 20:07                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 20:07                                     ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 20:28                                     ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 20:28                                       ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 20:39                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 20:39                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 21:03                                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 21:03                                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-23  9:47                                     ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-23  9:47                                       ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-23 14:25                                       ` Alan Stern
2011-06-23 14:25                                         ` Alan Stern
2011-06-24 11:40                                         ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-24 11:40                                           ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-20 16:26                           ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 16:26                             ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-16 20:30                 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern
2011-06-16 20:30                   ` Alan Stern
2011-06-16 18:16         ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-16 18:16           ` Alexander Holler

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