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From: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	linux-usb@vger.kernel.org, Nicolas Pitre <nico@fluxnic.net>,
	gregkh@suse.de, lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Rabin Vincent <rabin@rab.in>,
	Alexander Holler <holler@ahsoftware.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) instead of removing the packed attribute
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 21:55:59 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110620205559.GM26089@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201106202226.37381.arnd@arndb.de>

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 10:26:37PM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> * We already need a compiler barrier in the non-_relaxed() versions of
>   the I/O accessors, which will force a reload of the base address
>   in a lot of cases, so the code is already suboptimal. Yes, we don't
>   have the barrier today without CONFIG_ARM_DMA_MEM_BUFFERABLE, but that
>   is a bug, because it lets the compiler move accesses to DMA buffers
>   around readl/writel.

You're now being obtuse there.  You don't need compiler barriers to
guarantee order - that's what volatile does there.

Before you start quoting stuff about volatile, look at the
volatile-considered-harmful.txt document:

  - The above-mentioned accessor functions might use volatile on
    architectures where direct I/O memory access does work.  Essentially,
    each accessor call becomes a little critical section on its own and
    ensures that the access happens as expected by the programmer.

which is what we're doing here.  And because each accessor is its own
little critical section, there's no need for a compiler barrier.

> > If it is the case that these structures do not require packing to get
> > their desired layout, then they don't require packing, and the packed
> > attribute should be dropped.
> 
> Yes. But are you going to audit every other use of __packed in the kernel
> to check if it is used on __iomem pointers?

As I've said, using __packed on __iomem pointers is fraught for many
reasons, and ignoring the other reasons and just concentrating on the
IO accessor problem is bad news in any case.

So yes, __packed needs to be solved _irrespective_ of the IO accessor
issue.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: linux@arm.linux.org.uk (Russell King - ARM Linux)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) instead of removing the packed attribute
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 21:55:59 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110620205559.GM26089@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201106202226.37381.arnd@arndb.de>

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 10:26:37PM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> * We already need a compiler barrier in the non-_relaxed() versions of
>   the I/O accessors, which will force a reload of the base address
>   in a lot of cases, so the code is already suboptimal. Yes, we don't
>   have the barrier today without CONFIG_ARM_DMA_MEM_BUFFERABLE, but that
>   is a bug, because it lets the compiler move accesses to DMA buffers
>   around readl/writel.

You're now being obtuse there.  You don't need compiler barriers to
guarantee order - that's what volatile does there.

Before you start quoting stuff about volatile, look at the
volatile-considered-harmful.txt document:

  - The above-mentioned accessor functions might use volatile on
    architectures where direct I/O memory access does work.  Essentially,
    each accessor call becomes a little critical section on its own and
    ensures that the access happens as expected by the programmer.

which is what we're doing here.  And because each accessor is its own
little critical section, there's no need for a compiler barrier.

> > If it is the case that these structures do not require packing to get
> > their desired layout, then they don't require packing, and the packed
> > attribute should be dropped.
> 
> Yes. But are you going to audit every other use of __packed in the kernel
> to check if it is used on __iomem pointers?

As I've said, using __packed on __iomem pointers is fraught for many
reasons, and ignoring the other reasons and just concentrating on the
IO accessor problem is bad news in any case.

So yes, __packed needs to be solved _irrespective_ of the IO accessor
issue.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-06-20 20:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-04-27 14:34 [PATCH] echi: remove structure packing from ehci_def Rabin Vincent
2011-04-27 14:34 ` Rabin Vincent
2011-04-27 15:15 ` Sergei Shtylyov
2011-04-27 15:15   ` Sergei Shtylyov
2011-04-27 15:37   ` [PATCHv2] " Rabin Vincent
2011-04-27 15:37     ` Rabin Vincent
2011-06-16 16:17     ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) instead of removing the packed attribute Alexander Holler
2011-06-16 16:17       ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Alexander Holler
2011-06-16 17:09       ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern
2011-06-16 17:09         ` Alan Stern
2011-06-16 17:55         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-16 17:55           ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-16 19:25           ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alexander Holler
2011-06-16 19:25             ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-16 19:46             ` Alan Stern
2011-06-16 19:46               ` Alan Stern
2011-06-16 20:10               ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-16 20:10                 ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-16 20:20                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-16 20:20                   ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-19 15:02                   ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-19 15:02                     ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-19 19:00                     ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern
2011-06-19 19:00                       ` Alan Stern
2011-06-19 20:02                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-19 20:02                         ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-19 20:11                         ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-19 20:11                           ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-19 21:39                         ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-19 21:39                           ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-19 21:27                       ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-19 21:27                         ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 15:03                         ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern
2011-06-20 15:03                           ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 16:16                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 16:16                             ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 16:48                             ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern
2011-06-20 16:48                               ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 16:58                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 16:58                                 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 19:02                                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-20 19:02                                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-20 19:20                                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 19:20                                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 19:29                                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 19:29                                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 17:10                               ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 17:10                                 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 17:35                                 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern
2011-06-20 17:35                                   ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 18:48                                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-20 18:48                                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-20 20:26                                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 20:26                                       ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 20:50                                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 20:50                                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 20:55                                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux [this message]
2011-06-20 20:55                                         ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-20 21:23                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 21:23                                           ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 22:23                                           ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 22:23                                             ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-21 11:25                                             ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-21 11:25                                               ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-25  1:25                                               ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-25  8:09                                                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-28 18:51                                                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-29 10:56                                                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 19:14                                   ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 19:14                                     ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 19:32                                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-20 19:32                                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-20 20:14                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 20:14                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 20:42                                     ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern
2011-06-20 20:42                                       ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 22:36                                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 22:36                                         ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-21 15:06                                         ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern
2011-06-21 15:06                                           ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 17:39                                 ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-20 17:39                                   ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-20 18:39                                   ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 18:39                                     ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 18:46                                     ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-20 18:46                                       ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-20 18:57                                       ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 18:57                                         ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 19:56                                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 19:56                                       ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 21:04                                       ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern
2011-06-20 21:04                                         ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 22:31                                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 22:31                                           ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-21 14:58                                           ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern
2011-06-21 14:58                                             ` Alan Stern
2011-06-21 20:41                                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-21 20:41                                               ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-22  6:23                                               ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alexander Holler
2011-06-22  6:23                                                 ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-20 20:09                                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 20:09                                       ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 21:05                                       ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern
2011-06-20 21:05                                         ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 20:07                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 20:07                                     ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 20:28                                     ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 20:28                                       ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 20:39                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 20:39                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 21:03                                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 21:03                                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-23  9:47                                     ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-23  9:47                                       ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-23 14:25                                       ` Alan Stern
2011-06-23 14:25                                         ` Alan Stern
2011-06-24 11:40                                         ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-24 11:40                                           ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-20 16:26                           ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 16:26                             ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-16 20:30                 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern
2011-06-16 20:30                   ` Alan Stern
2011-06-16 18:16         ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-16 18:16           ` Alexander Holler

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