From: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> To: Nicolas Pitre <nico@fluxnic.net> Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>, Alexander Holler <holler@ahsoftware.de>, <linux-usb@vger.kernel.org>, <gregkh@suse.de>, lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, Rabin Vincent <rabin@rab.in> Subject: Re: [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) instead of removing the packed attribute Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 15:00:01 -0400 (EDT) [thread overview] Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1106191453200.14586-100000@netrider.rowland.org> (raw) In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1106191048040.2142@xanadu.home> On Sun, 19 Jun 2011, Nicolas Pitre wrote: > On Thu, 16 Jun 2011, Arnd Bergmann wrote: > > > On Thursday 16 June 2011 22:10:53 Alexander Holler wrote: > > > Using packed doesn't seem to be necessary (at least not with those > > > versions of gcc I'm using here), I've tried both versions (on arm, > > > without packed and with packed, aligned(4)) and both are working. I've > > > only posted the patch because I found the usage of packed, aligned(4) > > > much clearer than without packed. And It might help avoiding such > > > discussions like this with people like me who aren't that deep involved > > > in gcc-specific implementation details. ;) > > > > > > Anyway, feel free to nack that patch. I don't really care and just > > > thought I should post it (e.g. as an alternative to removing that packed). > > > > At least I would be happier without the patch. I'm trying to convince > > people to not use these attributes unless required because too much > > harm is done when they are used without understanding the full > > consequences. I also recommend using __packed as localized as possible, > > i.e. set it for the members that need it, not the entire struct. > > > > I agree that your patch is harmless, it's just the opposite of > > a cleanup in my opinion. > > The question is: does the structure really has to be packed? What do you mean? The structure really does need to be allocated without padding between the fields; is that the same thing? So do a bunch of other structures that currently have no annotations at all. > If it does, then the follow-up question is: is a packing on word > boundaries sufficient? Again, what do you mean? The structure contains some 32-bit fields and it must always be allocated at a 4-byte boundary. However there's nothing wrong with stricter allocation -- I don't recall the details but it's entirely possible that some of the fields could be 64 bits on some architectures, in which cases the alignment certainly should be 8-byte. > If the answer is yes in both cases, then having packed,aligned(4) is not > a frivolity but rather a correctness issue. Why so? Current systems work just fine without it. > We can of course provide a > define in include/linux/compiler-gcc.hto hide the ugliness of it > somewhat: > > #define __packed_32 __attribute__((packed,aligned(4))) > > I suspect that the vast majority of the __packed uses in the kernel > would be better with this __packed_32 instead, the actual need and > intent would be more clearly expressed, and the generated code in the > presence of those GCC changes would then be way more efficient and still > correct. What if the intent is that the structure should be 4-byte aligned on 32-bit systems and 8-byte aligned on 64-bit systems? The compiler already does this sort of thing automatically, why mess with it? Alan Stern
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From: stern@rowland.harvard.edu (Alan Stern) To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org Subject: [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) instead of removing the packed attribute Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 15:00:01 -0400 (EDT) [thread overview] Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1106191453200.14586-100000@netrider.rowland.org> (raw) In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1106191048040.2142@xanadu.home> On Sun, 19 Jun 2011, Nicolas Pitre wrote: > On Thu, 16 Jun 2011, Arnd Bergmann wrote: > > > On Thursday 16 June 2011 22:10:53 Alexander Holler wrote: > > > Using packed doesn't seem to be necessary (at least not with those > > > versions of gcc I'm using here), I've tried both versions (on arm, > > > without packed and with packed, aligned(4)) and both are working. I've > > > only posted the patch because I found the usage of packed, aligned(4) > > > much clearer than without packed. And It might help avoiding such > > > discussions like this with people like me who aren't that deep involved > > > in gcc-specific implementation details. ;) > > > > > > Anyway, feel free to nack that patch. I don't really care and just > > > thought I should post it (e.g. as an alternative to removing that packed). > > > > At least I would be happier without the patch. I'm trying to convince > > people to not use these attributes unless required because too much > > harm is done when they are used without understanding the full > > consequences. I also recommend using __packed as localized as possible, > > i.e. set it for the members that need it, not the entire struct. > > > > I agree that your patch is harmless, it's just the opposite of > > a cleanup in my opinion. > > The question is: does the structure really has to be packed? What do you mean? The structure really does need to be allocated without padding between the fields; is that the same thing? So do a bunch of other structures that currently have no annotations at all. > If it does, then the follow-up question is: is a packing on word > boundaries sufficient? Again, what do you mean? The structure contains some 32-bit fields and it must always be allocated at a 4-byte boundary. However there's nothing wrong with stricter allocation -- I don't recall the details but it's entirely possible that some of the fields could be 64 bits on some architectures, in which cases the alignment certainly should be 8-byte. > If the answer is yes in both cases, then having packed,aligned(4) is not > a frivolity but rather a correctness issue. Why so? Current systems work just fine without it. > We can of course provide a > define in include/linux/compiler-gcc.hto hide the ugliness of it > somewhat: > > #define __packed_32 __attribute__((packed,aligned(4))) > > I suspect that the vast majority of the __packed uses in the kernel > would be better with this __packed_32 instead, the actual need and > intent would be more clearly expressed, and the generated code in the > presence of those GCC changes would then be way more efficient and still > correct. What if the intent is that the structure should be 4-byte aligned on 32-bit systems and 8-byte aligned on 64-bit systems? The compiler already does this sort of thing automatically, why mess with it? Alan Stern
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-06-19 19:00 UTC|newest] Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top 2011-04-27 14:34 [PATCH] echi: remove structure packing from ehci_def Rabin Vincent 2011-04-27 14:34 ` Rabin Vincent 2011-04-27 15:15 ` Sergei Shtylyov 2011-04-27 15:15 ` Sergei Shtylyov 2011-04-27 15:37 ` [PATCHv2] " Rabin Vincent 2011-04-27 15:37 ` Rabin Vincent 2011-06-16 16:17 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) instead of removing the packed attribute Alexander Holler 2011-06-16 16:17 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Alexander Holler 2011-06-16 17:09 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern 2011-06-16 17:09 ` Alan Stern 2011-06-16 17:55 ` Arnd Bergmann 2011-06-16 17:55 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann 2011-06-16 19:25 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alexander Holler 2011-06-16 19:25 ` Alexander Holler 2011-06-16 19:46 ` Alan Stern 2011-06-16 19:46 ` Alan Stern 2011-06-16 20:10 ` Alexander Holler 2011-06-16 20:10 ` Alexander Holler 2011-06-16 20:20 ` Arnd Bergmann 2011-06-16 20:20 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann 2011-06-19 15:02 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre 2011-06-19 15:02 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre 2011-06-19 19:00 ` Alan Stern [this message] 2011-06-19 19:00 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern 2011-06-19 20:02 ` Arnd Bergmann 2011-06-19 20:02 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann 2011-06-19 20:11 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann 2011-06-19 20:11 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann 2011-06-19 21:39 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre 2011-06-19 21:39 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre 2011-06-19 21:27 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre 2011-06-19 21:27 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre 2011-06-20 15:03 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern 2011-06-20 15:03 ` Alan Stern 2011-06-20 16:16 ` Nicolas Pitre 2011-06-20 16:16 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre 2011-06-20 16:48 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern 2011-06-20 16:48 ` Alan Stern 2011-06-20 16:58 ` Arnd Bergmann 2011-06-20 16:58 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann 2011-06-20 19:02 ` Russell King - ARM Linux 2011-06-20 19:02 ` Russell King - ARM Linux 2011-06-20 19:20 ` Nicolas Pitre 2011-06-20 19:20 ` Nicolas Pitre 2011-06-20 19:29 ` Nicolas Pitre 2011-06-20 19:29 ` Nicolas Pitre 2011-06-20 17:10 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre 2011-06-20 17:10 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre 2011-06-20 17:35 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern 2011-06-20 17:35 ` Alan Stern 2011-06-20 18:48 ` Russell King - ARM Linux 2011-06-20 18:48 ` Russell King - ARM Linux 2011-06-20 20:26 ` Arnd Bergmann 2011-06-20 20:26 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann 2011-06-20 20:50 ` Nicolas Pitre 2011-06-20 20:50 ` Nicolas Pitre 2011-06-20 20:55 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Russell King - ARM Linux 2011-06-20 20:55 ` Russell King - ARM Linux 2011-06-20 21:23 ` Arnd Bergmann 2011-06-20 21:23 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann 2011-06-20 22:23 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre 2011-06-20 22:23 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre 2011-06-21 11:25 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann 2011-06-21 11:25 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann 2011-06-25 1:25 ` Nicolas Pitre 2011-06-25 8:09 ` Arnd Bergmann 2011-06-28 18:51 ` Nicolas Pitre 2011-06-29 10:56 ` Arnd Bergmann 2011-06-20 19:14 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre 2011-06-20 19:14 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre 2011-06-20 19:32 ` Russell King - ARM Linux 2011-06-20 19:32 ` Russell King - ARM Linux 2011-06-20 20:14 ` Arnd Bergmann 2011-06-20 20:14 ` Arnd Bergmann 2011-06-20 20:42 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern 2011-06-20 20:42 ` Alan Stern 2011-06-20 22:36 ` Nicolas Pitre 2011-06-20 22:36 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre 2011-06-21 15:06 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern 2011-06-21 15:06 ` Alan Stern 2011-06-20 17:39 ` Alexander Holler 2011-06-20 17:39 ` Alexander Holler 2011-06-20 18:39 ` Alan Stern 2011-06-20 18:39 ` Alan Stern 2011-06-20 18:46 ` Alexander Holler 2011-06-20 18:46 ` Alexander Holler 2011-06-20 18:57 ` Alan Stern 2011-06-20 18:57 ` Alan Stern 2011-06-20 19:56 ` Nicolas Pitre 2011-06-20 19:56 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre 2011-06-20 21:04 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern 2011-06-20 21:04 ` Alan Stern 2011-06-20 22:31 ` Nicolas Pitre 2011-06-20 22:31 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre 2011-06-21 14:58 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern 2011-06-21 14:58 ` Alan Stern 2011-06-21 20:41 ` Nicolas Pitre 2011-06-21 20:41 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre 2011-06-22 6:23 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alexander Holler 2011-06-22 6:23 ` Alexander Holler 2011-06-20 20:09 ` Arnd Bergmann 2011-06-20 20:09 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann 2011-06-20 21:05 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern 2011-06-20 21:05 ` Alan Stern 2011-06-20 20:07 ` Arnd Bergmann 2011-06-20 20:07 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann 2011-06-20 20:28 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre 2011-06-20 20:28 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre 2011-06-20 20:39 ` Arnd Bergmann 2011-06-20 20:39 ` Arnd Bergmann 2011-06-20 21:03 ` Nicolas Pitre 2011-06-20 21:03 ` Nicolas Pitre 2011-06-23 9:47 ` Alexander Holler 2011-06-23 9:47 ` Alexander Holler 2011-06-23 14:25 ` Alan Stern 2011-06-23 14:25 ` Alan Stern 2011-06-24 11:40 ` Alexander Holler 2011-06-24 11:40 ` Alexander Holler 2011-06-20 16:26 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann 2011-06-20 16:26 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann 2011-06-16 20:30 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern 2011-06-16 20:30 ` Alan Stern 2011-06-16 18:16 ` Alexander Holler 2011-06-16 18:16 ` Alexander Holler
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