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From: Nicolas Pitre <nico@fluxnic.net>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: Alexander Holler <holler@ahsoftware.de>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-usb@vger.kernel.org,
	gregkh@suse.de, lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Rabin Vincent <rabin@rab.in>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) instead of removing the packed attribute
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:41:59 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1106211636190.2142@xanadu.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1106211054460.2327-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>

On Tue, 21 Jun 2011, Alan Stern wrote:

> On Mon, 20 Jun 2011, Nicolas Pitre wrote:
> 
> > > We don't fall into any of these cases, and therefore as you say, we
> > > don't need packed.  Arnd and I have both explained this.  So why do you 
> > > keep arguing that we do need it?
> > 
> > Please show me where I keep arguing that you need it?
> 
> Not explicitly perhaps.  But you did write:
> 
> > Doesn't mean that because it used to work that it is strictly correct.  
> > Wouldn't be the first time that a GCC upgrade broke the kernel because 
> > the kernel wasn't describing things properly enough.
> 
> which strongly implies that "packed" is needed.  You also wrote:

In this case ...

> > Yes, but that's a consequence of not being able to access those fields 
> > in their naturally aligned position anymore.  Hence the addition of the 
> > align attribute to tell the compiler that we know that the structure is 
> > still aligned to a certain degree letting the compiler to avoid 
> > byte-oriented instructions when possible.
> 
> which is predicated on the assumption that "packed" is needed.

... and also in this case, I was talking about proper use of the packed 
attribute in general, not at all about a specific case.  I wanted to 
provide a broader view to some people who expressed doubts and 
misunderstanding in the hope that the archive could keep this knowledge 
base available.

I apologize if that wasn't clear to you.


Nicolas

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: nico@fluxnic.net (Nicolas Pitre)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) instead of removing the packed attribute
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:41:59 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1106211636190.2142@xanadu.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1106211054460.2327-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>

On Tue, 21 Jun 2011, Alan Stern wrote:

> On Mon, 20 Jun 2011, Nicolas Pitre wrote:
> 
> > > We don't fall into any of these cases, and therefore as you say, we
> > > don't need packed.  Arnd and I have both explained this.  So why do you 
> > > keep arguing that we do need it?
> > 
> > Please show me where I keep arguing that you need it?
> 
> Not explicitly perhaps.  But you did write:
> 
> > Doesn't mean that because it used to work that it is strictly correct.  
> > Wouldn't be the first time that a GCC upgrade broke the kernel because 
> > the kernel wasn't describing things properly enough.
> 
> which strongly implies that "packed" is needed.  You also wrote:

In this case ...

> > Yes, but that's a consequence of not being able to access those fields 
> > in their naturally aligned position anymore.  Hence the addition of the 
> > align attribute to tell the compiler that we know that the structure is 
> > still aligned to a certain degree letting the compiler to avoid 
> > byte-oriented instructions when possible.
> 
> which is predicated on the assumption that "packed" is needed.

... and also in this case, I was talking about proper use of the packed 
attribute in general, not at all about a specific case.  I wanted to 
provide a broader view to some people who expressed doubts and 
misunderstanding in the hope that the archive could keep this knowledge 
base available.

I apologize if that wasn't clear to you.


Nicolas

  reply	other threads:[~2011-06-21 20:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-04-27 14:34 [PATCH] echi: remove structure packing from ehci_def Rabin Vincent
2011-04-27 14:34 ` Rabin Vincent
2011-04-27 15:15 ` Sergei Shtylyov
2011-04-27 15:15   ` Sergei Shtylyov
2011-04-27 15:37   ` [PATCHv2] " Rabin Vincent
2011-04-27 15:37     ` Rabin Vincent
2011-06-16 16:17     ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) instead of removing the packed attribute Alexander Holler
2011-06-16 16:17       ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Alexander Holler
2011-06-16 17:09       ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern
2011-06-16 17:09         ` Alan Stern
2011-06-16 17:55         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-16 17:55           ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-16 19:25           ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alexander Holler
2011-06-16 19:25             ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-16 19:46             ` Alan Stern
2011-06-16 19:46               ` Alan Stern
2011-06-16 20:10               ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-16 20:10                 ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-16 20:20                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-16 20:20                   ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-19 15:02                   ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-19 15:02                     ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-19 19:00                     ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern
2011-06-19 19:00                       ` Alan Stern
2011-06-19 20:02                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-19 20:02                         ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-19 20:11                         ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-19 20:11                           ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-19 21:39                         ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-19 21:39                           ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-19 21:27                       ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-19 21:27                         ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 15:03                         ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern
2011-06-20 15:03                           ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 16:16                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 16:16                             ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 16:48                             ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern
2011-06-20 16:48                               ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 16:58                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 16:58                                 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 19:02                                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-20 19:02                                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-20 19:20                                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 19:20                                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 19:29                                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 19:29                                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 17:10                               ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 17:10                                 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 17:35                                 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern
2011-06-20 17:35                                   ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 18:48                                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-20 18:48                                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-20 20:26                                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 20:26                                       ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 20:50                                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 20:50                                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 20:55                                       ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-20 20:55                                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-20 21:23                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 21:23                                           ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 22:23                                           ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 22:23                                             ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-21 11:25                                             ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-21 11:25                                               ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-25  1:25                                               ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-25  8:09                                                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-28 18:51                                                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-29 10:56                                                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 19:14                                   ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 19:14                                     ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 19:32                                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-20 19:32                                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-20 20:14                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 20:14                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 20:42                                     ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern
2011-06-20 20:42                                       ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 22:36                                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 22:36                                         ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-21 15:06                                         ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern
2011-06-21 15:06                                           ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 17:39                                 ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-20 17:39                                   ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-20 18:39                                   ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 18:39                                     ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 18:46                                     ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-20 18:46                                       ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-20 18:57                                       ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 18:57                                         ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 19:56                                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 19:56                                       ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 21:04                                       ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern
2011-06-20 21:04                                         ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 22:31                                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 22:31                                           ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-21 14:58                                           ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern
2011-06-21 14:58                                             ` Alan Stern
2011-06-21 20:41                                             ` Nicolas Pitre [this message]
2011-06-21 20:41                                               ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-22  6:23                                               ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alexander Holler
2011-06-22  6:23                                                 ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-20 20:09                                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 20:09                                       ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 21:05                                       ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern
2011-06-20 21:05                                         ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 20:07                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 20:07                                     ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 20:28                                     ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 20:28                                       ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 20:39                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 20:39                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 21:03                                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 21:03                                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-23  9:47                                     ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-23  9:47                                       ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-23 14:25                                       ` Alan Stern
2011-06-23 14:25                                         ` Alan Stern
2011-06-24 11:40                                         ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-24 11:40                                           ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-20 16:26                           ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 16:26                             ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-16 20:30                 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern
2011-06-16 20:30                   ` Alan Stern
2011-06-16 18:16         ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-16 18:16           ` Alexander Holler

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