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From: Nai Xia <nai.xia@gmail.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Izik Eidus <izik.eidus@ravellosystems.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, "linux-mm" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	"linux-kernel" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	kvm <kvm@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mmu_notifier, kvm: Introduce dirty bit tracking in spte and mmu notifier to help KSM dirty bit tracking
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:33:37 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201106221933.37691.nai.xia@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4E01D1C8.2050707@redhat.com>

On Wednesday 22 June 2011 19:28:08 Avi Kivity wrote:
> On 06/22/2011 02:24 PM, Avi Kivity wrote:
> > On 06/22/2011 02:19 PM, Izik Eidus wrote:
> >> On 6/22/2011 2:10 PM, Avi Kivity wrote:
> >>> On 06/22/2011 02:05 PM, Izik Eidus wrote:
> >>>>>> +    spte = rmap_next(kvm, rmapp, NULL);
> >>>>>> +    while (spte) {
> >>>>>> +        int _dirty;
> >>>>>> +        u64 _spte = *spte;
> >>>>>> +        BUG_ON(!(_spte&  PT_PRESENT_MASK));
> >>>>>> +        _dirty = _spte&  PT_DIRTY_MASK;
> >>>>>> +        if (_dirty) {
> >>>>>> +            dirty = 1;
> >>>>>> +            clear_bit(PT_DIRTY_SHIFT, (unsigned long *)spte);
> >>>>>> +        }
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Racy.  Also, needs a tlb flush eventually.
> >>>> +
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi, one of the issues is that the whole point of this patch is not 
> >>>> do tlb flush eventually,
> >>>> But I see your point, because other users will not expect such 
> >>>> behavior, so maybe there is need into a parameter
> >>>> flush_tlb=?, or add another mmu notifier call?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> If you don't flush the tlb, a subsequent write will not see that 
> >>> spte.d is clear and the write will happen.  So you'll see the page 
> >>> as clean even though it's dirty.  That's not acceptable.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Yes, but this is exactly what we want from this use case:
> >> Right now ksm calculate the page hash to see if it was changed, the 
> >> idea behind this patch is to use the dirty bit instead,
> >> however the guest might not really like the fact that we will flush 
> >> its tlb over and over again, specially in periodically scan like ksm 
> >> does.
> >
> > I see.
> 
> Actually, this is dangerous.  If we use the dirty bit for other things, 
> we will get data corruption.

Yeah,yeah, I actually clarified in a reply letter to Chris about his similar
concern that we are currently the _only_ user. :)
We can add the flushing when someone else should rely on this bit.

> 
> For example we might want to map clean host pages as writeable-clean in 
> the spte on a read fault so that we don't get a page fault when they get 
> eventually written.
> 
> 

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From: Nai Xia <nai.xia@gmail.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Izik Eidus <izik.eidus@ravellosystems.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, "linux-mm" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	"linux-kernel" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	kvm <kvm@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mmu_notifier, kvm: Introduce dirty bit tracking in spte and mmu notifier to help KSM dirty bit tracking
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:33:37 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201106221933.37691.nai.xia@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4E01D1C8.2050707@redhat.com>

On Wednesday 22 June 2011 19:28:08 Avi Kivity wrote:
> On 06/22/2011 02:24 PM, Avi Kivity wrote:
> > On 06/22/2011 02:19 PM, Izik Eidus wrote:
> >> On 6/22/2011 2:10 PM, Avi Kivity wrote:
> >>> On 06/22/2011 02:05 PM, Izik Eidus wrote:
> >>>>>> +    spte = rmap_next(kvm, rmapp, NULL);
> >>>>>> +    while (spte) {
> >>>>>> +        int _dirty;
> >>>>>> +        u64 _spte = *spte;
> >>>>>> +        BUG_ON(!(_spte&  PT_PRESENT_MASK));
> >>>>>> +        _dirty = _spte&  PT_DIRTY_MASK;
> >>>>>> +        if (_dirty) {
> >>>>>> +            dirty = 1;
> >>>>>> +            clear_bit(PT_DIRTY_SHIFT, (unsigned long *)spte);
> >>>>>> +        }
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Racy.  Also, needs a tlb flush eventually.
> >>>> +
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi, one of the issues is that the whole point of this patch is not 
> >>>> do tlb flush eventually,
> >>>> But I see your point, because other users will not expect such 
> >>>> behavior, so maybe there is need into a parameter
> >>>> flush_tlb=?, or add another mmu notifier call?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> If you don't flush the tlb, a subsequent write will not see that 
> >>> spte.d is clear and the write will happen.  So you'll see the page 
> >>> as clean even though it's dirty.  That's not acceptable.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Yes, but this is exactly what we want from this use case:
> >> Right now ksm calculate the page hash to see if it was changed, the 
> >> idea behind this patch is to use the dirty bit instead,
> >> however the guest might not really like the fact that we will flush 
> >> its tlb over and over again, specially in periodically scan like ksm 
> >> does.
> >
> > I see.
> 
> Actually, this is dangerous.  If we use the dirty bit for other things, 
> we will get data corruption.

Yeah,yeah, I actually clarified in a reply letter to Chris about his similar
concern that we are currently the _only_ user. :)
We can add the flushing when someone else should rely on this bit.

> 
> For example we might want to map clean host pages as writeable-clean in 
> the spte on a read fault so that we don't get a page fault when they get 
> eventually written.
> 
> 

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-06-22 11:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-06-21 12:55 [PATCH 0/2 V2] ksm: take dirty bit as reference to avoid volatile pages scanning Nai Xia
2011-06-21 12:55 ` Nai Xia
2011-06-21 13:26 ` [PATCH 1/2 " Nai Xia
2011-06-21 13:26   ` Nai Xia
2011-06-21 21:42   ` Chris Wright
2011-06-21 21:42     ` Chris Wright
2011-06-22  0:02     ` Nai Xia
2011-06-22  0:02       ` Nai Xia
2011-06-22  0:42       ` Chris Wright
2011-06-22  0:42         ` Chris Wright
2011-06-21 13:32 ` [PATCH] mmu_notifier, kvm: Introduce dirty bit tracking in spte and mmu notifier to help KSM dirty bit tracking Nai Xia
2011-06-21 13:32   ` Nai Xia
2011-06-22  0:21   ` Chris Wright
2011-06-22  0:21     ` Chris Wright
2011-06-22  4:43     ` Nai Xia
2011-06-22  4:43       ` Nai Xia
2011-06-22  6:15     ` Izik Eidus
2011-06-22  6:15       ` Izik Eidus
2011-06-22  6:38       ` Nai Xia
2011-06-22  6:38         ` Nai Xia
2011-06-22 15:46       ` Chris Wright
2011-06-22 15:46         ` Chris Wright
2011-06-22 10:43   ` Avi Kivity
2011-06-22 10:43     ` Avi Kivity
2011-06-22 11:05     ` Izik Eidus
2011-06-22 11:05       ` Izik Eidus
2011-06-22 11:10       ` Avi Kivity
2011-06-22 11:10         ` Avi Kivity
2011-06-22 11:19         ` Izik Eidus
2011-06-22 11:19           ` Izik Eidus
2011-06-22 11:24           ` Avi Kivity
2011-06-22 11:24             ` Avi Kivity
2011-06-22 11:28             ` Avi Kivity
2011-06-22 11:28               ` Avi Kivity
2011-06-22 11:31               ` Avi Kivity
2011-06-22 11:31                 ` Avi Kivity
2011-06-22 11:33               ` Nai Xia [this message]
2011-06-22 11:33                 ` Nai Xia
2011-06-22 11:39                 ` Izik Eidus
2011-06-22 11:39                   ` Izik Eidus
2011-06-22 15:39           ` Rik van Riel
2011-06-22 15:39             ` Rik van Riel
2011-06-22 16:55             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-06-22 16:55               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-06-22 23:37               ` Nai Xia
2011-06-22 23:37                 ` Nai Xia
2011-06-22 23:59                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-06-22 23:59                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-06-23  0:31                   ` Nai Xia
2011-06-23  0:31                     ` Nai Xia
2011-06-23  0:44                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-06-23  0:44                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-06-23  1:36                       ` Nai Xia
2011-06-23  1:36                         ` Nai Xia
2011-06-23  0:00                 ` Rik van Riel
2011-06-23  0:00                   ` Rik van Riel
2011-06-23  0:42                   ` Nai Xia
2011-06-23  0:42                     ` Nai Xia
2011-06-22 23:13             ` Nai Xia
2011-06-22 23:13               ` Nai Xia
2011-06-22 23:25               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-06-22 23:25                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-06-23  1:30                 ` Nai Xia
2011-06-23  1:30                   ` Nai Xia
2011-06-22 23:28               ` Rik van Riel
2011-06-22 23:28                 ` Rik van Riel
2011-06-23  0:52                 ` Nai Xia
2011-06-23  0:52                   ` Nai Xia
2011-06-22 11:24     ` Nai Xia
2011-06-22 15:03   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-06-22 15:03     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-06-22 15:19     ` Izik Eidus
2011-06-22 15:19       ` Izik Eidus
2011-06-22 23:19     ` Nai Xia
2011-06-22 23:19       ` Nai Xia
2011-06-22 23:44       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-06-22 23:44         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-06-23  0:14         ` Nai Xia
2011-06-23  0:14           ` Nai Xia
2011-06-22 23:42     ` Nai Xia
2011-06-22 23:42       ` Nai Xia
2011-06-21 13:36 ` [PATCH 2/2 V2] ksm: take dirty bit as reference to avoid volatile pages scanning Nai Xia
2011-06-21 13:36   ` Nai Xia
2011-06-21 22:38   ` Chris Wright
2011-06-21 22:38     ` Chris Wright
2011-06-22  0:04     ` Nai Xia
2011-06-22  0:04       ` Nai Xia
2011-06-22  0:35       ` Chris Wright
2011-06-22  0:35         ` Chris Wright
2011-06-22  4:47         ` Nai Xia
2011-06-22  4:47           ` Nai Xia
2011-06-22 10:55         ` Nai Xia
2011-06-22 10:55           ` Nai Xia
2011-06-22  0:46 ` [PATCH 0/2 " Chris Wright
2011-06-22  0:46   ` Chris Wright
2011-06-22  4:15   ` Nai Xia

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