From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com> To: Izik Eidus <izik.eidus@ravellosystems.com> Cc: nai.xia@gmail.com, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>, Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>, Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>, Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>, linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, kvm <kvm@vger.kernel.org> Subject: Re: [PATCH] mmu_notifier, kvm: Introduce dirty bit tracking in spte and mmu notifier to help KSM dirty bit tracking Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 14:24:19 +0300 [thread overview] Message-ID: <4E01D0E3.9080508@redhat.com> (raw) In-Reply-To: <4E01CFD2.6000404@ravellosystems.com> On 06/22/2011 02:19 PM, Izik Eidus wrote: > On 6/22/2011 2:10 PM, Avi Kivity wrote: >> On 06/22/2011 02:05 PM, Izik Eidus wrote: >>>>> + spte = rmap_next(kvm, rmapp, NULL); >>>>> + while (spte) { >>>>> + int _dirty; >>>>> + u64 _spte = *spte; >>>>> + BUG_ON(!(_spte& PT_PRESENT_MASK)); >>>>> + _dirty = _spte& PT_DIRTY_MASK; >>>>> + if (_dirty) { >>>>> + dirty = 1; >>>>> + clear_bit(PT_DIRTY_SHIFT, (unsigned long *)spte); >>>>> + } >>>> >>>> Racy. Also, needs a tlb flush eventually. >>> + >>> >>> Hi, one of the issues is that the whole point of this patch is not >>> do tlb flush eventually, >>> But I see your point, because other users will not expect such >>> behavior, so maybe there is need into a parameter >>> flush_tlb=?, or add another mmu notifier call? >>> >> >> If you don't flush the tlb, a subsequent write will not see that >> spte.d is clear and the write will happen. So you'll see the page as >> clean even though it's dirty. That's not acceptable. >> > > Yes, but this is exactly what we want from this use case: > Right now ksm calculate the page hash to see if it was changed, the > idea behind this patch is to use the dirty bit instead, > however the guest might not really like the fact that we will flush > its tlb over and over again, specially in periodically scan like ksm > does. I see. > > So what we say here is: it is better to have little junk in the > unstable tree that get flushed eventualy anyway, instead of make the > guest slower.... > this race is something that does not reflect accurate of ksm anyway > due to the full memcmp that we will eventualy perform... > > Ofcurse we trust that in most cases, beacuse it take ksm to get into a > random virtual address in real systems few minutes, there will be > already tlb flush performed. > > What you think about having 2 calls: one that does the expected > behivor and does flush the tlb, and one that clearly say it doesnt > flush the tlb > and expline its use case for ksm? Yes. And if the unstable/fast callback is not provided, have the common code fall back to the stable/slow callback instead. Or have a parameter that allows inaccurate results to be returned more quickly. -- error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function
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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com> To: Izik Eidus <izik.eidus@ravellosystems.com> Cc: nai.xia@gmail.com, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>, Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>, Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>, Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>, linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, kvm <kvm@vger.kernel.org> Subject: Re: [PATCH] mmu_notifier, kvm: Introduce dirty bit tracking in spte and mmu notifier to help KSM dirty bit tracking Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 14:24:19 +0300 [thread overview] Message-ID: <4E01D0E3.9080508@redhat.com> (raw) In-Reply-To: <4E01CFD2.6000404@ravellosystems.com> On 06/22/2011 02:19 PM, Izik Eidus wrote: > On 6/22/2011 2:10 PM, Avi Kivity wrote: >> On 06/22/2011 02:05 PM, Izik Eidus wrote: >>>>> + spte = rmap_next(kvm, rmapp, NULL); >>>>> + while (spte) { >>>>> + int _dirty; >>>>> + u64 _spte = *spte; >>>>> + BUG_ON(!(_spte& PT_PRESENT_MASK)); >>>>> + _dirty = _spte& PT_DIRTY_MASK; >>>>> + if (_dirty) { >>>>> + dirty = 1; >>>>> + clear_bit(PT_DIRTY_SHIFT, (unsigned long *)spte); >>>>> + } >>>> >>>> Racy. Also, needs a tlb flush eventually. >>> + >>> >>> Hi, one of the issues is that the whole point of this patch is not >>> do tlb flush eventually, >>> But I see your point, because other users will not expect such >>> behavior, so maybe there is need into a parameter >>> flush_tlb=?, or add another mmu notifier call? >>> >> >> If you don't flush the tlb, a subsequent write will not see that >> spte.d is clear and the write will happen. So you'll see the page as >> clean even though it's dirty. That's not acceptable. >> > > Yes, but this is exactly what we want from this use case: > Right now ksm calculate the page hash to see if it was changed, the > idea behind this patch is to use the dirty bit instead, > however the guest might not really like the fact that we will flush > its tlb over and over again, specially in periodically scan like ksm > does. I see. > > So what we say here is: it is better to have little junk in the > unstable tree that get flushed eventualy anyway, instead of make the > guest slower.... > this race is something that does not reflect accurate of ksm anyway > due to the full memcmp that we will eventualy perform... > > Ofcurse we trust that in most cases, beacuse it take ksm to get into a > random virtual address in real systems few minutes, there will be > already tlb flush performed. > > What you think about having 2 calls: one that does the expected > behivor and does flush the tlb, and one that clearly say it doesnt > flush the tlb > and expline its use case for ksm? Yes. And if the unstable/fast callback is not provided, have the common code fall back to the stable/slow callback instead. Or have a parameter that allows inaccurate results to be returned more quickly. -- error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function -- To unsubscribe, send a message with 'unsubscribe linux-mm' in the body to majordomo@kvack.org. For more info on Linux MM, see: http://www.linux-mm.org/ . Fight unfair telecom internet charges in Canada: sign http://stopthemeter.ca/ Don't email: <a href=mailto:"dont@kvack.org"> email@kvack.org </a>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-06-22 11:24 UTC|newest] Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top 2011-06-21 12:55 [PATCH 0/2 V2] ksm: take dirty bit as reference to avoid volatile pages scanning Nai Xia 2011-06-21 12:55 ` Nai Xia 2011-06-21 13:26 ` [PATCH 1/2 " Nai Xia 2011-06-21 13:26 ` Nai Xia 2011-06-21 21:42 ` Chris Wright 2011-06-21 21:42 ` Chris Wright 2011-06-22 0:02 ` Nai Xia 2011-06-22 0:02 ` Nai Xia 2011-06-22 0:42 ` Chris Wright 2011-06-22 0:42 ` Chris Wright 2011-06-21 13:32 ` [PATCH] mmu_notifier, kvm: Introduce dirty bit tracking in spte and mmu notifier to help KSM dirty bit tracking Nai Xia 2011-06-21 13:32 ` Nai Xia 2011-06-22 0:21 ` Chris Wright 2011-06-22 0:21 ` Chris Wright 2011-06-22 4:43 ` Nai Xia 2011-06-22 4:43 ` Nai Xia 2011-06-22 6:15 ` Izik Eidus 2011-06-22 6:15 ` Izik Eidus 2011-06-22 6:38 ` Nai Xia 2011-06-22 6:38 ` Nai Xia 2011-06-22 15:46 ` Chris Wright 2011-06-22 15:46 ` Chris Wright 2011-06-22 10:43 ` Avi Kivity 2011-06-22 10:43 ` Avi Kivity 2011-06-22 11:05 ` Izik Eidus 2011-06-22 11:05 ` Izik Eidus 2011-06-22 11:10 ` Avi Kivity 2011-06-22 11:10 ` Avi Kivity 2011-06-22 11:19 ` Izik Eidus 2011-06-22 11:19 ` Izik Eidus 2011-06-22 11:24 ` Avi Kivity [this message] 2011-06-22 11:24 ` Avi Kivity 2011-06-22 11:28 ` Avi Kivity 2011-06-22 11:28 ` Avi Kivity 2011-06-22 11:31 ` Avi Kivity 2011-06-22 11:31 ` Avi Kivity 2011-06-22 11:33 ` Nai Xia 2011-06-22 11:33 ` Nai Xia 2011-06-22 11:39 ` Izik Eidus 2011-06-22 11:39 ` Izik Eidus 2011-06-22 15:39 ` Rik van Riel 2011-06-22 15:39 ` Rik van Riel 2011-06-22 16:55 ` Andrea Arcangeli 2011-06-22 16:55 ` Andrea Arcangeli 2011-06-22 23:37 ` Nai Xia 2011-06-22 23:37 ` Nai Xia 2011-06-22 23:59 ` Andrea Arcangeli 2011-06-22 23:59 ` Andrea Arcangeli 2011-06-23 0:31 ` Nai Xia 2011-06-23 0:31 ` Nai Xia 2011-06-23 0:44 ` Andrea Arcangeli 2011-06-23 0:44 ` Andrea Arcangeli 2011-06-23 1:36 ` Nai Xia 2011-06-23 1:36 ` Nai Xia 2011-06-23 0:00 ` Rik van Riel 2011-06-23 0:00 ` Rik van Riel 2011-06-23 0:42 ` Nai Xia 2011-06-23 0:42 ` Nai Xia 2011-06-22 23:13 ` Nai Xia 2011-06-22 23:13 ` Nai Xia 2011-06-22 23:25 ` Andrea Arcangeli 2011-06-22 23:25 ` Andrea Arcangeli 2011-06-23 1:30 ` Nai Xia 2011-06-23 1:30 ` Nai Xia 2011-06-22 23:28 ` Rik van Riel 2011-06-22 23:28 ` Rik van Riel 2011-06-23 0:52 ` Nai Xia 2011-06-23 0:52 ` Nai Xia 2011-06-22 11:24 ` Nai Xia 2011-06-22 15:03 ` Andrea Arcangeli 2011-06-22 15:03 ` Andrea Arcangeli 2011-06-22 15:19 ` Izik Eidus 2011-06-22 15:19 ` Izik Eidus 2011-06-22 23:19 ` Nai Xia 2011-06-22 23:19 ` Nai Xia 2011-06-22 23:44 ` Andrea Arcangeli 2011-06-22 23:44 ` Andrea Arcangeli 2011-06-23 0:14 ` Nai Xia 2011-06-23 0:14 ` Nai Xia 2011-06-22 23:42 ` Nai Xia 2011-06-22 23:42 ` Nai Xia 2011-06-21 13:36 ` [PATCH 2/2 V2] ksm: take dirty bit as reference to avoid volatile pages scanning Nai Xia 2011-06-21 13:36 ` Nai Xia 2011-06-21 22:38 ` Chris Wright 2011-06-21 22:38 ` Chris Wright 2011-06-22 0:04 ` Nai Xia 2011-06-22 0:04 ` Nai Xia 2011-06-22 0:35 ` Chris Wright 2011-06-22 0:35 ` Chris Wright 2011-06-22 4:47 ` Nai Xia 2011-06-22 4:47 ` Nai Xia 2011-06-22 10:55 ` Nai Xia 2011-06-22 10:55 ` Nai Xia 2011-06-22 0:46 ` [PATCH 0/2 " Chris Wright 2011-06-22 0:46 ` Chris Wright 2011-06-22 4:15 ` Nai Xia
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