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From: Kirill Smelkov <kirr@mns.spb.ru>
To: Keith Packard <keithp@keithp.com>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.hengli.com.au>,
	Luke-Jr <luke@dashjr.org>,
	intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>, Ray Lee <ray-lk@madrabbit.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [Intel-gfx] Major 2.6.38 / 2.6.39 / 3.0 regression ignored?
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 01:31:02 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110722213102.GA14749@tugrik.mns.mnsspb.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110722210814.GC14453@tugrik.mns.mnsspb.ru>

On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 01:08:14AM +0400, Kirill Smelkov wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 01:50:04PM -0700, Keith Packard wrote:

> > You're right, of course -- UMS is a huge wart on the kernel driver at
> > this point, keeping it working while also adding new functionality
> > continues to cause challenges. We tend to expect that most people will
> > run reasonably contemporaneous kernel and user space code, and so three
> > years after the switch, it continues to surprise us when someone
> > actually tries UMS.
> 
> We are planning upgrade to KMS too. The kernel is upgraded more often
> compared to userspace, because of already mentioned (thanks!) "no
> regression" rule. Userspace is more complex and more work in my context,
> so it is lagging, but eventually we'll get there.

Also wanted to say, that if whole X could be built, like the kernel, from one
repo without multirepo-setup tool, with 100% reliable working
incremental rebuild, etc... it would be a bit easier to upgrade X too.

Sorry for being a bit offtopic, could not resist. I was keeping that
though in my head for ~ 2 years already, and now had a chance to mention it.



Thanks,
Kirill

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From: Kirill Smelkov <kirr@mns.spb.ru>
To: Keith Packard <keithp@keithp.com>
Cc: Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	Luke-Jr <luke@dashjr.org>,
	intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>, Ray Lee <ray-lk@madrabbit.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: Major 2.6.38 / 2.6.39 / 3.0 regression ignored?
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 01:31:02 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110722213102.GA14749@tugrik.mns.mnsspb.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110722210814.GC14453@tugrik.mns.mnsspb.ru>

On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 01:08:14AM +0400, Kirill Smelkov wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 01:50:04PM -0700, Keith Packard wrote:

> > You're right, of course -- UMS is a huge wart on the kernel driver at
> > this point, keeping it working while also adding new functionality
> > continues to cause challenges. We tend to expect that most people will
> > run reasonably contemporaneous kernel and user space code, and so three
> > years after the switch, it continues to surprise us when someone
> > actually tries UMS.
> 
> We are planning upgrade to KMS too. The kernel is upgraded more often
> compared to userspace, because of already mentioned (thanks!) "no
> regression" rule. Userspace is more complex and more work in my context,
> so it is lagging, but eventually we'll get there.

Also wanted to say, that if whole X could be built, like the kernel, from one
repo without multirepo-setup tool, with 100% reliable working
incremental rebuild, etc... it would be a bit easier to upgrade X too.

Sorry for being a bit offtopic, could not resist. I was keeping that
though in my head for ~ 2 years already, and now had a chance to mention it.



Thanks,
Kirill

  reply	other threads:[~2011-07-22 21:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-05-20 17:06 Major 2.6.38 regression ignored? Luke-Jr
2011-05-20 18:08 ` Ray Lee
2011-05-20 20:24   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-05-20 21:11     ` Ray Lee
2011-05-21  8:41   ` Chris Wilson
2011-05-21 15:23     ` Luke-Jr
2011-05-21 15:40       ` Chris Wilson
2011-05-21 15:40         ` Chris Wilson
2011-05-21 19:33         ` Luke-Jr
2011-05-21 19:33           ` Luke-Jr
2011-05-28 13:19         ` Major 2.6.38 / 2.6.39 " Kirill Smelkov
2011-07-12 17:17           ` [Intel-gfx] " Kirill Smelkov
2011-07-12 18:07             ` Pekka Enberg
2011-07-12 18:07               ` Pekka Enberg
2011-07-22  2:59               ` Linux 3.0 release Linus Torvalds
2011-07-22 11:08                 ` Major 2.6.38 / 2.6.39 / 3.0 regression ignored? Kirill Smelkov
2011-07-22 11:08                   ` Kirill Smelkov
2011-07-22 14:12                   ` Herbert Xu
2011-07-22 14:12                     ` Herbert Xu
2011-07-22 18:00                   ` Keith Packard
2011-07-22 18:00                     ` Keith Packard
2011-07-22 20:23                     ` Kirill Smelkov
2011-07-22 20:23                       ` Kirill Smelkov
2011-07-22 20:50                       ` Keith Packard
2011-07-22 20:50                         ` Keith Packard
2011-07-22 21:08                         ` Kirill Smelkov
2011-07-22 21:08                           ` Kirill Smelkov
2011-07-22 21:31                           ` Kirill Smelkov [this message]
2011-07-22 21:31                             ` Kirill Smelkov
2011-07-23 15:10                             ` [Intel-gfx] " Alex Deucher
2011-07-23 15:10                               ` Alex Deucher
2011-07-23 18:19                               ` Kirill Smelkov
2011-07-23 18:19                                 ` Kirill Smelkov
2011-07-23 15:55                         ` Pekka Enberg
2011-07-25  4:29                           ` Keith Packard
2011-07-26 13:48                       ` [Intel-gfx] " Kirill Smelkov
2011-07-26 13:48                         ` Kirill Smelkov
2011-08-09 12:08                         ` Kirill Smelkov
2011-08-09 12:08                           ` Kirill Smelkov
2011-08-09 14:00                           ` [Intel-gfx] " Vasily Khoruzhick
2011-08-09 14:00                             ` Vasily Khoruzhick
2011-08-09 14:47                             ` [Intel-gfx] " Kirill Smelkov
2011-08-09 14:47                               ` Kirill Smelkov
2011-08-09 15:09                               ` [Intel-gfx] " Vasily Khoruzhick
2011-08-09 15:09                                 ` Vasily Khoruzhick
2011-08-09 15:34                                 ` [Intel-gfx] " Kirill Smelkov
2011-08-09 15:34                                   ` Kirill Smelkov
2011-08-09 16:02                                   ` [Intel-gfx] " Vasily Khoruzhick
2011-08-09 16:02                                     ` Vasily Khoruzhick
2011-08-09 16:32                                     ` [Intel-gfx] " Kirill Smelkov
2011-08-09 16:32                                       ` Kirill Smelkov
2011-08-09 16:56                                       ` Ray Lee
2011-08-09 16:56                                         ` Ray Lee
2011-08-09 17:40                                         ` Kirill Smelkov
2011-08-09 17:40                                           ` Kirill Smelkov
2011-08-09 17:43                                           ` [Intel-gfx] " Ray Lee
2011-08-09 17:43                                             ` Ray Lee
2011-08-10  8:36                                             ` Kirill Smelkov
2011-08-10  8:36                                               ` Kirill Smelkov
2011-08-10  9:41                                           ` [Intel-gfx] " Alan Cox
2011-08-10  9:41                                             ` Alan Cox
2011-08-10 11:37                                             ` Kirill Smelkov
2011-08-10 11:37                                               ` Kirill Smelkov
2011-07-22 12:52                 ` Linux 3.0 release Martin Knoblauch
2011-07-22 19:11                 ` David
2011-07-22 19:21                   ` Linus Torvalds
2011-07-22 19:44                     ` Ben Greear
2011-07-22 20:32                       ` Stephen Hemminger
2011-07-22 20:35                         ` Linus Torvalds
2011-07-23  2:27                           ` Tejun Heo
2011-07-23  2:30                             ` Tejun Heo
2011-07-22 21:26                         ` Francois Romieu
2011-07-22 22:09                           ` Stephen Hemminger
2011-07-22 22:53                             ` [PATCH] net: allow netif_carrier to be called safely from IRQ Stephen Hemminger
2011-07-23  0:16                               ` David Miller
2011-07-22 23:21                 ` Linux 3.0 release - btrfs possible locking deadlock Ed Tomlinson
2011-07-25 19:49                   ` Chris Mason
2011-07-26  0:22                     ` Ed Tomlinson
2011-07-24 22:04                 ` Linux 3.0 release Arnaud Lacombe
2011-07-25  2:21                   ` Yoshinori Sato
2011-07-25 15:50                     ` Arnaud Lacombe
2011-07-27 15:22                       ` Yoshinori Sato
2011-07-27 17:29                         ` Arnaud Lacombe
2011-07-28  2:08                         ` Arnaud Lacombe

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