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From: Werner Almesberger <werner@almesberger.net>
To: Alan Ott <alan@signal11.us>
Cc: Alexander Smirnov <alex.bluesman.smirnov@gmail.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	linux-zigbee-devel <linux-zigbee-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Linux-zigbee-devel] [PATCH 1/6] mac802154: Immediately retry sending failed packets
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 20:13:19 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130402231319.GD28141@ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <515B4D79.40805@signal11.us>

Alan Ott wrote:
> it's now my opinion that we should _not_ try to retransmit at
> all in mac802154/tx.c.

I think the currently blocking workqueue design is ugly and
quite contrary to how most the rest of the stack works. So
anything that kills it has my blessing :-)

I do wonder though why it was done like this in the first place.
Just for convenience ?

If we want to move towards an asynchronous interface, it could
exist in parallel with the current one. That way, drivers could
be migrated one by one.

Having said that, the errors you get there may not be failed
single transmissions on the air but some form of congestion in
the driver or a problem with the device. But I don't think
that's a valid reason for retrying the transmission at that
level.

- Werner

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From: Werner Almesberger <werner-SEdMjqphH88wryQfseakQg@public.gmane.org>
To: Alan Ott <alan-yzvJWuRpmD1zbRFIqnYvSA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: netdev-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	"David S. Miller" <davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-zigbee-devel
	<linux-zigbee-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/6] mac802154: Immediately retry sending failed packets
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 20:13:19 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130402231319.GD28141@ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <515B4D79.40805-yzvJWuRpmD1zbRFIqnYvSA@public.gmane.org>

Alan Ott wrote:
> it's now my opinion that we should _not_ try to retransmit at
> all in mac802154/tx.c.

I think the currently blocking workqueue design is ugly and
quite contrary to how most the rest of the stack works. So
anything that kills it has my blessing :-)

I do wonder though why it was done like this in the first place.
Just for convenience ?

If we want to move towards an asynchronous interface, it could
exist in parallel with the current one. That way, drivers could
be migrated one by one.

Having said that, the errors you get there may not be failed
single transmissions on the air but some form of congestion in
the driver or a problem with the device. But I don't think
that's a valid reason for retrying the transmission at that
level.

- Werner

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-04-02 23:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-04-02 18:47 [PATCH 0/6] 802.15.4 and 6LoWPAN Buffering Fixes Alan Ott
2013-04-02 18:47 ` Alan Ott
2013-04-02 18:47 ` [PATCH 1/6] mac802154: Immediately retry sending failed packets Alan Ott
2013-04-02 18:47   ` Alan Ott
     [not found]   ` <1364928481-1813-2-git-send-email-alan-yzvJWuRpmD1zbRFIqnYvSA@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-02 19:11     ` Alexander Smirnov
2013-04-02 20:28       ` Alan Ott
2013-04-02 20:28         ` Alan Ott
2013-04-02 21:28         ` Alan Ott
2013-04-02 22:35           ` Alan Ott
2013-04-02 22:35             ` Alan Ott
2013-04-02 23:13           ` Werner Almesberger [this message]
2013-04-02 23:13             ` Werner Almesberger
2013-04-03  1:24             ` [Linux-zigbee-devel] " Alan Ott
2013-04-03  1:24               ` Alan Ott
2013-04-03  1:56               ` [Linux-zigbee-devel] " David Miller
2013-04-03  1:59                 ` Alan Ott
2013-04-03  1:59                   ` Alan Ott
2013-04-03  2:03                   ` [Linux-zigbee-devel] " David Miller
2013-04-03  2:03                     ` David Miller
2013-04-03  2:25                     ` [Linux-zigbee-devel] " Alan Ott
2013-04-03  2:25                       ` Alan Ott
2013-04-03  2:30                       ` [Linux-zigbee-devel] " David Miller
2013-04-03  2:30                         ` David Miller
2013-04-03  2:57                         ` [Linux-zigbee-devel] " Alan Ott
2013-04-03  2:38               ` Werner Almesberger
2013-04-02 18:47 ` [PATCH 2/6] mac802154: Move xmit_attemps to stack Alan Ott
2013-04-02 18:47   ` Alan Ott
2013-04-02 18:47 ` [PATCH 3/6] mac802154: Use netif flow control Alan Ott
2013-04-02 18:47   ` Alan Ott
2013-04-02 21:21   ` Sergei Shtylyov
2013-04-02 18:47 ` [PATCH 4/6] mac802154: Increase tx_buffer_len Alan Ott
2013-04-02 18:47   ` Alan Ott
2013-04-02 18:48 ` [PATCH 5/6] 6lowpan: handle dev_queue_xmit error code properly Alan Ott
2013-04-02 18:48   ` Alan Ott
     [not found]   ` <1364928481-1813-6-git-send-email-alan-yzvJWuRpmD1zbRFIqnYvSA@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-02 19:21     ` Alexander Smirnov
     [not found]       ` <CAJmB2rB+9-gLV=SVvr4JUc2swjmTaWxD0gYM5VLw8PL1d455JA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-02 19:30         ` Alan Ott
2013-04-02 18:48 ` [PATCH 6/6] 6lowpan: return the dev_queue_xmit() return value from lowpan_xmit() Alan Ott
2013-04-02 18:48   ` Alan Ott
     [not found]   ` <1364928481-1813-7-git-send-email-alan-yzvJWuRpmD1zbRFIqnYvSA@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-02 19:27     ` Alexander Smirnov
2013-04-03 14:00 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] 802.15.4 and 6LoWPAN Buffering Fixes Alan Ott
2013-04-03 14:00   ` Alan Ott
2013-04-03 14:00   ` [PATCH v2 1/4] mac802154: Do not try to resend failed packets Alan Ott
2013-04-03 14:00   ` [PATCH v2 2/4] mac802154: Use netif flow control Alan Ott
2013-04-03 14:00     ` Alan Ott
2013-04-03 14:00   ` [PATCH v2 3/4] mac802154: Increase tx_buffer_len Alan Ott
2013-04-03 14:00     ` Alan Ott
2013-04-03 14:00   ` [PATCH v2 4/4] 6lowpan: handle dev_queue_xmit() error code properly Alan Ott
2013-04-03 14:00     ` Alan Ott
2013-04-07 21:06   ` [PATCH v2 0/4] 802.15.4 and 6LoWPAN Buffering Fixes David Miller

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