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From: Joerg Roedel <jroedel@suse.de>
To: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	sparclinux@vger.kernel.org,
	Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
	Cornelia Huck <cornelia.huck@de.ibm.com>,
	Sebastian Ott <sebott@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>, KVM <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
	linux-s390 <linux-s390@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Virtualization <virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 0/6] virtio core DMA API conversion
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 11:27:33 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151110102733.GJ2255@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1447121076.31884.61.camel@kernel.crashing.org>

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 01:04:36PM +1100, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> The "in absence of the new DT binding" doesn't make that much sense.
> 
> Those platforms use device-trees defined since the dawn of ages by
> actual open firmware implementations, they either have no iommu
> representation in there (Macs, the platform code hooks it all up) or
> have various properties related to the iommu but no concept of "bypass"
> in there.
> 
> We can *add* a new property under some circumstances that indicates a
> bypass on a per-device basis, however that doesn't completely solve it:
> 
>   - As I said above, what does the absence of that property mean ? An
> old qemu that does bypass on all virtio or a new qemu trying to tell
> you that the virtio device actually does use the iommu (or some other
> environment that isn't qemu) ?

You have the same problem when real PCIe devices appear that speak
virtio. I think the only real (still not very nice) solution is to add a
quirk to powerpc platform code that sets noop dma-ops for the existing
virtio vendor/device-ids and add a DT property to opt-out of that quirk.

New vendor/device-ids (as for real devices) would just not be covered by
the quirk and existing emulated devices continue to work.

The absence of the property just means that the quirk is in place and
the system assumes no translation for virtio devices.


	Joerg


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Joerg Roedel <jroedel@suse.de>
To: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: linux-s390 <linux-s390@vger.kernel.org>,
	KVM <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Sebastian Ott <sebott@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>, Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	sparclinux@vger.kernel.org, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Linux Virtualization <virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 0/6] virtio core DMA API conversion
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 11:27:33 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151110102733.GJ2255@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1447121076.31884.61.camel@kernel.crashing.org>

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 01:04:36PM +1100, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> The "in absence of the new DT binding" doesn't make that much sense.
> 
> Those platforms use device-trees defined since the dawn of ages by
> actual open firmware implementations, they either have no iommu
> representation in there (Macs, the platform code hooks it all up) or
> have various properties related to the iommu but no concept of "bypass"
> in there.
> 
> We can *add* a new property under some circumstances that indicates a
> bypass on a per-device basis, however that doesn't completely solve it:
> 
>   - As I said above, what does the absence of that property mean ? An
> old qemu that does bypass on all virtio or a new qemu trying to tell
> you that the virtio device actually does use the iommu (or some other
> environment that isn't qemu) ?

You have the same problem when real PCIe devices appear that speak
virtio. I think the only real (still not very nice) solution is to add a
quirk to powerpc platform code that sets noop dma-ops for the existing
virtio vendor/device-ids and add a DT property to opt-out of that quirk.

New vendor/device-ids (as for real devices) would just not be covered by
the quirk and existing emulated devices continue to work.

The absence of the property just means that the quirk is in place and
the system assumes no translation for virtio devices.


	Joerg

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Joerg Roedel <jroedel@suse.de>
To: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: linux-s390 <linux-s390@vger.kernel.org>,
	KVM <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Sebastian Ott <sebott@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>, Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	sparclinux@vger.kernel.org, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Linux Virtualization <virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 0/6] virtio core DMA API conversion
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:27:33 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151110102733.GJ2255@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1447121076.31884.61.camel@kernel.crashing.org>

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 01:04:36PM +1100, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> The "in absence of the new DT binding" doesn't make that much sense.
> 
> Those platforms use device-trees defined since the dawn of ages by
> actual open firmware implementations, they either have no iommu
> representation in there (Macs, the platform code hooks it all up) or
> have various properties related to the iommu but no concept of "bypass"
> in there.
> 
> We can *add* a new property under some circumstances that indicates a
> bypass on a per-device basis, however that doesn't completely solve it:
> 
>   - As I said above, what does the absence of that property mean ? An
> old qemu that does bypass on all virtio or a new qemu trying to tell
> you that the virtio device actually does use the iommu (or some other
> environment that isn't qemu) ?

You have the same problem when real PCIe devices appear that speak
virtio. I think the only real (still not very nice) solution is to add a
quirk to powerpc platform code that sets noop dma-ops for the existing
virtio vendor/device-ids and add a DT property to opt-out of that quirk.

New vendor/device-ids (as for real devices) would just not be covered by
the quirk and existing emulated devices continue to work.

The absence of the property just means that the quirk is in place and
the system assumes no translation for virtio devices.


	Joerg


  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-11-10 10:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-10-30  1:09 [PATCH v4 0/6] virtio core DMA API conversion Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09 ` [PATCH v4 1/6] virtio-net: Stop doing DMA from the stack Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30 13:55   ` Christian Borntraeger
2015-10-30 13:55     ` Christian Borntraeger
2015-10-31  5:02     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-31  5:02       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-31  5:02       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30 13:55   ` Christian Borntraeger
2015-10-30  1:09 ` [PATCH v4 2/6] virtio_ring: Support DMA APIs Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30 12:01   ` Cornelia Huck
2015-10-30 12:01     ` Cornelia Huck
2015-10-30 12:01     ` Cornelia Huck
2015-10-30 12:05     ` Christian Borntraeger
2015-10-30 12:05       ` Christian Borntraeger
2015-10-30 12:05       ` Christian Borntraeger
2015-10-30 18:51       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30 18:51       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30 18:51         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09 ` [PATCH v4 3/6] virtio_pci: Use the DMA API Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09 ` [PATCH v4 4/6] virtio: Add improved queue allocation API Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09 ` [PATCH v4 5/6] virtio_mmio: Use the DMA API Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09 ` [PATCH v4 6/6] virtio_pci: " Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:17 ` [PATCH v4 0/6] virtio core DMA API conversion Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:17   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:17   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  9:57 ` Christian Borntraeger
2015-10-30  9:57   ` Christian Borntraeger
2015-10-30  9:57 ` Christian Borntraeger
2015-11-09 12:15 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-11-09 12:15   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-11-09 12:15   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-11-09 12:27   ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-11-09 12:27     ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-11-09 12:27   ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-11-09 22:58   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-09 22:58     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-09 22:58     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10  0:46     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10  0:46       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10  0:46       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10  2:04       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10  2:04         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10  2:04         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10  2:18         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10  2:18         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10  2:18           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10  5:26           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10  5:26             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10  5:26             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10  5:33             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10  5:33             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10  5:33               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10  5:28           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10  5:28             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10  5:28             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10  5:35             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10  5:35             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10  5:35               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10 10:37               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10 10:37                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10 10:37                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10 12:43                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-11-10 12:43                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-11-10 12:43                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-11-10 19:37                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10 19:37                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10 19:37                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10 12:43                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-11-10 18:54                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10 18:54                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10 18:54                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10 22:27                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10 22:27                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10 22:27                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10 23:44                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10 23:44                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10 23:44                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-11  0:44                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-11  0:44                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-11  0:44                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-11  4:46                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-11  4:46                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-11  4:46                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-11  5:08                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-11  5:08                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-11  5:08                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10  7:28           ` Jan Kiszka
2015-11-10  7:28             ` Jan Kiszka
2015-11-10  7:28             ` Jan Kiszka
2015-11-10  7:28             ` Jan Kiszka
2015-11-10  9:45         ` Knut Omang
2015-11-10  9:45         ` Knut Omang
2015-11-10  9:45           ` Knut Omang
2015-11-10 10:26           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10 10:26             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10 10:26             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10 10:27         ` Joerg Roedel [this message]
2015-11-10 10:27           ` Joerg Roedel
2015-11-10 10:27           ` Joerg Roedel
2015-11-10 19:36           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10 19:36             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10 19:36             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2015-10-30  1:09 Andy Lutomirski

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