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From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
To: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Sebastian Ott <sebott@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	linux-s390 <linux-s390@vger.kernel.org>,
	Joerg Roedel <jroedel@suse.de>,
	Cornelia Huck <cornelia.huck@de.ibm.com>,
	KVM <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Virtualization <virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	sparclinux@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 0/6] virtio core DMA API conversion
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 20:46:57 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrWAVOATcCaUabunjYd+NYM1HRqJXG9K=DgrZCnBbWCexw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1447202682.31884.123.camel@kernel.crashing.org>

On Nov 10, 2015 4:44 PM, "Benjamin Herrenschmidt"
<benh@kernel.crashing.org> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2015-11-10 at 15:44 -0800, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> >
> > > What about partition <-> partition virtio such as what we could do on
> > > PAPR systems. That would have the weak barrier bit.
> > >
> >
> > Is it partition <-> partition, bypassing IOMMU?
>
> No.
>
> > I think I'd settle for just something that doesn't regress
> > non-experimental setups that actually work today and that allow new
> > setups (x86 with fixed QEMU and maybe something more complicated on
> > powerpc and/or sparc) to work in all cases.
> >
> > We could certainly just make powerpc and sparc continue bypassing the
> > IOMMU until someone comes up with a way to fix it.  I'll send out some
> > patches that do that, and maybe that'll help this make progress.
>
> But we haven't found a solution that works. All we have come up with is
> a quirk that will force bypass on virtio always and will not allow us
> to operate non-bypassing devices on either of those architectures in
> the future.
>
> I'm not too happy about this.

Me neither.  At least it wouldn't be a regression, but it's still crappy.

I think that arm is fine, at least.  I was unable to find an arm QEMU
config that has any problems with my patches.

--Andy

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
To: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: linux-s390 <linux-s390@vger.kernel.org>,
	sparclinux@vger.kernel.org, Joerg Roedel <jroedel@suse.de>,
	KVM <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Sebastian Ott <sebott@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Linux Virtualization <virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 0/6] virtio core DMA API conversion
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 20:46:57 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrWAVOATcCaUabunjYd+NYM1HRqJXG9K=DgrZCnBbWCexw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1447202682.31884.123.camel@kernel.crashing.org>

On Nov 10, 2015 4:44 PM, "Benjamin Herrenschmidt"
<benh@kernel.crashing.org> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2015-11-10 at 15:44 -0800, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> >
> > > What about partition <-> partition virtio such as what we could do on
> > > PAPR systems. That would have the weak barrier bit.
> > >
> >
> > Is it partition <-> partition, bypassing IOMMU?
>
> No.
>
> > I think I'd settle for just something that doesn't regress
> > non-experimental setups that actually work today and that allow new
> > setups (x86 with fixed QEMU and maybe something more complicated on
> > powerpc and/or sparc) to work in all cases.
> >
> > We could certainly just make powerpc and sparc continue bypassing the
> > IOMMU until someone comes up with a way to fix it.  I'll send out some
> > patches that do that, and maybe that'll help this make progress.
>
> But we haven't found a solution that works. All we have come up with is
> a quirk that will force bypass on virtio always and will not allow us
> to operate non-bypassing devices on either of those architectures in
> the future.
>
> I'm not too happy about this.

Me neither.  At least it wouldn't be a regression, but it's still crappy.

I think that arm is fine, at least.  I was unable to find an arm QEMU
config that has any problems with my patches.

--Andy

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
To: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: linux-s390 <linux-s390@vger.kernel.org>,
	sparclinux@vger.kernel.org, Joerg Roedel <jroedel@suse.de>,
	KVM <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Sebastian Ott <sebott@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Linux Virtualization <virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 0/6] virtio core DMA API conversion
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 04:46:57 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrWAVOATcCaUabunjYd+NYM1HRqJXG9K=DgrZCnBbWCexw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1447202682.31884.123.camel@kernel.crashing.org>

On Nov 10, 2015 4:44 PM, "Benjamin Herrenschmidt"
<benh@kernel.crashing.org> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2015-11-10 at 15:44 -0800, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> >
> > > What about partition <-> partition virtio such as what we could do on
> > > PAPR systems. That would have the weak barrier bit.
> > >
> >
> > Is it partition <-> partition, bypassing IOMMU?
>
> No.
>
> > I think I'd settle for just something that doesn't regress
> > non-experimental setups that actually work today and that allow new
> > setups (x86 with fixed QEMU and maybe something more complicated on
> > powerpc and/or sparc) to work in all cases.
> >
> > We could certainly just make powerpc and sparc continue bypassing the
> > IOMMU until someone comes up with a way to fix it.  I'll send out some
> > patches that do that, and maybe that'll help this make progress.
>
> But we haven't found a solution that works. All we have come up with is
> a quirk that will force bypass on virtio always and will not allow us
> to operate non-bypassing devices on either of those architectures in
> the future.
>
> I'm not too happy about this.

Me neither.  At least it wouldn't be a regression, but it's still crappy.

I think that arm is fine, at least.  I was unable to find an arm QEMU
config that has any problems with my patches.

--Andy

  reply	other threads:[~2015-11-11  4:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-10-30  1:09 [PATCH v4 0/6] virtio core DMA API conversion Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09 ` [PATCH v4 1/6] virtio-net: Stop doing DMA from the stack Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30 13:55   ` Christian Borntraeger
2015-10-30 13:55     ` Christian Borntraeger
2015-10-31  5:02     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-31  5:02       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-31  5:02       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30 13:55   ` Christian Borntraeger
2015-10-30  1:09 ` [PATCH v4 2/6] virtio_ring: Support DMA APIs Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30 12:01   ` Cornelia Huck
2015-10-30 12:01     ` Cornelia Huck
2015-10-30 12:01     ` Cornelia Huck
2015-10-30 12:05     ` Christian Borntraeger
2015-10-30 12:05       ` Christian Borntraeger
2015-10-30 12:05       ` Christian Borntraeger
2015-10-30 18:51       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30 18:51       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30 18:51         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09 ` [PATCH v4 3/6] virtio_pci: Use the DMA API Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09 ` [PATCH v4 4/6] virtio: Add improved queue allocation API Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09 ` [PATCH v4 5/6] virtio_mmio: Use the DMA API Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09 ` [PATCH v4 6/6] virtio_pci: " Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:17 ` [PATCH v4 0/6] virtio core DMA API conversion Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:17   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:17   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  9:57 ` Christian Borntraeger
2015-10-30  9:57   ` Christian Borntraeger
2015-10-30  9:57 ` Christian Borntraeger
2015-11-09 12:15 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-11-09 12:15   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-11-09 12:15   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-11-09 12:27   ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-11-09 12:27     ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-11-09 12:27   ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-11-09 22:58   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-09 22:58     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-09 22:58     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10  0:46     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10  0:46       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10  0:46       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10  2:04       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10  2:04         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10  2:04         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10  2:18         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10  2:18         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10  2:18           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10  5:26           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10  5:26             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10  5:26             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10  5:33             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10  5:33             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10  5:33               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10  5:28           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10  5:28             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10  5:28             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10  5:35             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10  5:35             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10  5:35               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10 10:37               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10 10:37                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10 10:37                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10 12:43                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-11-10 12:43                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-11-10 12:43                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-11-10 19:37                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10 19:37                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10 19:37                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10 12:43                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-11-10 18:54                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10 18:54                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10 18:54                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10 22:27                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10 22:27                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10 22:27                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10 23:44                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10 23:44                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10 23:44                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-11  0:44                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-11  0:44                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-11  0:44                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-11  4:46                         ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2015-11-11  4:46                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-11  4:46                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-11  5:08                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-11  5:08                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-11  5:08                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10  7:28           ` Jan Kiszka
2015-11-10  7:28             ` Jan Kiszka
2015-11-10  7:28             ` Jan Kiszka
2015-11-10  7:28             ` Jan Kiszka
2015-11-10  9:45         ` Knut Omang
2015-11-10  9:45         ` Knut Omang
2015-11-10  9:45           ` Knut Omang
2015-11-10 10:26           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10 10:26             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10 10:26             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10 10:27         ` Joerg Roedel
2015-11-10 10:27           ` Joerg Roedel
2015-11-10 10:27           ` Joerg Roedel
2015-11-10 19:36           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10 19:36             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10 19:36             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2015-10-30  1:09 Andy Lutomirski

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