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From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
To: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	sparclinux@vger.kernel.org, Joerg Roedel <jroedel@suse.de>,
	Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
	Cornelia Huck <cornelia.huck@de.ibm.com>,
	Sebastian Ott <sebott@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>, KVM <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
	linux-s390 <linux-s390@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Virtualization <virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 0/6] virtio core DMA API conversion
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 21:35:02 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrVPQc04Ah7FXcRMb4RhpUJ1WPCoC_4dbacB8a+u5XpmwA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1447133316.31884.67.camel@kernel.crashing.org>

On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 9:28 PM, Benjamin Herrenschmidt
<benh@kernel.crashing.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 2015-11-09 at 18:18 -0800, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>>
>> /* Qumranet donated their vendor ID for devices 0x1000 thru 0x10FF.
>> */
>> static const struct pci_device_id virtio_pci_id_table[] = {
>>         { PCI_DEVICE(0x1af4, PCI_ANY_ID) },
>>         { 0 }
>> };
>>
>> Can we match on that range?
>
> We can, but the problem remains, how do we differenciate an existing
> device that does bypass vs. a newer one that needs the IOMMU and thus
> doesn't have the new "bypass" property in the device-tree.
>

We could do it the other way around: on powerpc, if a PCI device is in
that range and doesn't have the "bypass" property at all, then it's
assumed to bypass the IOMMU.  This means that everything that
currently works continues working.  If someone builds a physical
virtio device or uses another system in PCIe target mode speaking
virtio, then it won't work until they upgrade their firmware to set
bypass=0.  Meanwhile everyone using hypothetical new QEMU also gets
bypass=0 and no ambiguity.

vfio will presumably notice the bypass and correctly refuse to map any
current virtio devices.

Would that work?

--Andy

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
To: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	sparclinux@vger.kernel.org, Joerg Roedel <jroedel@suse.de>,
	Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
	Cornelia Huck <cornelia.huck@de.ibm.com>,
	Sebastian Ott <sebott@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>, KVM <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
	linux-s390 <linux-s390@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Virtualization <virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 0/6] virtio core DMA API conversion
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 05:35:02 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrVPQc04Ah7FXcRMb4RhpUJ1WPCoC_4dbacB8a+u5XpmwA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1447133316.31884.67.camel@kernel.crashing.org>

On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 9:28 PM, Benjamin Herrenschmidt
<benh@kernel.crashing.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 2015-11-09 at 18:18 -0800, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>>
>> /* Qumranet donated their vendor ID for devices 0x1000 thru 0x10FF.
>> */
>> static const struct pci_device_id virtio_pci_id_table[] = {
>>         { PCI_DEVICE(0x1af4, PCI_ANY_ID) },
>>         { 0 }
>> };
>>
>> Can we match on that range?
>
> We can, but the problem remains, how do we differenciate an existing
> device that does bypass vs. a newer one that needs the IOMMU and thus
> doesn't have the new "bypass" property in the device-tree.
>

We could do it the other way around: on powerpc, if a PCI device is in
that range and doesn't have the "bypass" property at all, then it's
assumed to bypass the IOMMU.  This means that everything that
currently works continues working.  If someone builds a physical
virtio device or uses another system in PCIe target mode speaking
virtio, then it won't work until they upgrade their firmware to set
bypass=0.  Meanwhile everyone using hypothetical new QEMU also gets
bypass=0 and no ambiguity.

vfio will presumably notice the bypass and correctly refuse to map any
current virtio devices.

Would that work?

--Andy

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-11-10  5:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-10-30  1:09 [PATCH v4 0/6] virtio core DMA API conversion Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09 ` [PATCH v4 1/6] virtio-net: Stop doing DMA from the stack Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30 13:55   ` Christian Borntraeger
2015-10-30 13:55     ` Christian Borntraeger
2015-10-31  5:02     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-31  5:02       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-31  5:02       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30 13:55   ` Christian Borntraeger
2015-10-30  1:09 ` [PATCH v4 2/6] virtio_ring: Support DMA APIs Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30 12:01   ` Cornelia Huck
2015-10-30 12:01     ` Cornelia Huck
2015-10-30 12:01     ` Cornelia Huck
2015-10-30 12:05     ` Christian Borntraeger
2015-10-30 12:05       ` Christian Borntraeger
2015-10-30 12:05       ` Christian Borntraeger
2015-10-30 18:51       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30 18:51       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30 18:51         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09 ` [PATCH v4 3/6] virtio_pci: Use the DMA API Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09 ` [PATCH v4 4/6] virtio: Add improved queue allocation API Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09 ` [PATCH v4 5/6] virtio_mmio: Use the DMA API Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09 ` [PATCH v4 6/6] virtio_pci: " Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:09 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:17 ` [PATCH v4 0/6] virtio core DMA API conversion Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:17   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  1:17   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-30  9:57 ` Christian Borntraeger
2015-10-30  9:57   ` Christian Borntraeger
2015-10-30  9:57 ` Christian Borntraeger
2015-11-09 12:15 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-11-09 12:15   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-11-09 12:15   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-11-09 12:27   ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-11-09 12:27     ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-11-09 12:27   ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-11-09 22:58   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-09 22:58     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-09 22:58     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10  0:46     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10  0:46       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10  0:46       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10  2:04       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10  2:04         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10  2:04         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10  2:18         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10  2:18         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10  2:18           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10  5:26           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10  5:26             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10  5:26             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10  5:33             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10  5:33             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10  5:33               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10  5:28           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10  5:28             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10  5:28             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10  5:35             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10  5:35             ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2015-11-10  5:35               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10 10:37               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10 10:37                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10 10:37                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10 12:43                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-11-10 12:43                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-11-10 12:43                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-11-10 19:37                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10 19:37                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10 19:37                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10 12:43                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-11-10 18:54                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10 18:54                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10 18:54                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10 22:27                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10 22:27                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10 22:27                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10 23:44                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10 23:44                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-10 23:44                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-11  0:44                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-11  0:44                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-11  0:44                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-11  4:46                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-11  4:46                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-11  4:46                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-11  5:08                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-11  5:08                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-11  5:08                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10  7:28           ` Jan Kiszka
2015-11-10  7:28             ` Jan Kiszka
2015-11-10  7:28             ` Jan Kiszka
2015-11-10  7:28             ` Jan Kiszka
2015-11-10  9:45         ` Knut Omang
2015-11-10  9:45         ` Knut Omang
2015-11-10  9:45           ` Knut Omang
2015-11-10 10:26           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10 10:26             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10 10:26             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10 10:27         ` Joerg Roedel
2015-11-10 10:27           ` Joerg Roedel
2015-11-10 10:27           ` Joerg Roedel
2015-11-10 19:36           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10 19:36             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-11-10 19:36             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2015-10-30  1:09 Andy Lutomirski

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