From: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Jeremy Allison <jra@samba.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] GPL defense issues
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 19:02:36 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160826230236.yky53kd5k4632ftd@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160826224213.GA1181@jra3>
On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 03:42:13PM -0700, Jeremy Allison via Ksummit-discuss wrote:
> The other thing to remember is Bradley isn't the one making the
> decisions here. It's the developers - *ALWAYS* the developers.
> Bradley and the Conservancy staff can give advice, but they do
> not do *anything* without a direct mandate from the copyright
> holders.
>
> Conservancy acts when developers ask them to. It isn't accurate
> to think of Bradley or Conservancy as a rogue actor running around
> doing their own thing.
Ah, but *which* developers? There are a huge number of entities who
own copyrights in the Linux kernel. Does the Conservancy get to pick
and choose which developers they will listen to? What about the
companies that own copyright in the Linux kernel, such as Red Hat,
IBM, Intel, Google, and others? Do they get a seat at the table?
What about Linus's opinions? Is the Conservancy going to at least ask
the major copyright holders whether they are OK with a lawsuit before
going ahead, and stop if they say No? Or so long as you can find some
number of developers who say, "go for it!" you'll start filing the
paperwork at the courthouse?
There have been at least some representation made by Conservancy staff
that appear to denote that they have their set of developers and that
they are going to do what they are going to do, regardless of what
other copyright holders might think. Perhaps it might be
understandable why some might feel that your term of "rogue actor"
might actually be appropriate?
As I said in another e-mail; at the heart of this question is really a
governance / polity issue, and I don't believe the Kernel Summit is
well situated to address these sorts of questions, as we don't have
all of the stakeholders present.
- Ted
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-08-26 23:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 173+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-08-26 19:33 [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] GPL defense issues Jeremy Allison
2016-08-26 21:19 ` David Woodhouse
2016-08-26 21:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26 22:42 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-26 23:02 ` Theodore Ts'o [this message]
2016-08-26 23:58 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-27 0:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-27 1:30 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-27 7:00 ` David Woodhouse
2016-08-26 23:54 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-27 16:26 ` Greg KH
2016-08-27 21:18 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-28 1:43 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-28 2:02 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-28 3:10 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-28 4:42 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-28 20:51 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-28 4:24 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-28 12:55 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-28 14:06 ` David Woodhouse
2016-08-29 6:26 ` Greg KH
2016-08-29 11:10 ` Harald Welte
2016-08-30 17:38 ` Mark Brown
2016-08-30 18:04 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-30 18:36 ` Josh Triplett
2016-08-28 15:43 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-28 19:36 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-28 20:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-29 15:35 ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-29 15:51 ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-29 19:45 ` Karen Sandler
2016-08-29 16:26 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-30 17:13 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-28 16:26 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-28 19:58 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-28 22:54 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-29 9:01 ` Harald Welte
2016-08-30 16:15 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-30 16:45 ` Greg KH
2016-08-30 17:20 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-30 18:15 ` Greg KH
2016-08-30 19:17 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-31 2:58 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-31 18:51 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-31 8:37 ` Greg KH
2016-08-31 18:53 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-30 23:19 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-30 17:49 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-30 18:17 ` Greg KH
2016-08-30 18:28 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-30 17:10 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-30 17:16 ` Luck, Tony
2016-08-30 17:40 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-30 17:37 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-28 15:37 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-28 5:09 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-27 23:02 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-27 23:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-27 23:29 ` Jeremy Allison
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2016-08-27 23:30 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-27 23:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-28 0:02 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-28 0:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-29 16:57 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-27 23:35 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-28 4:47 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-28 5:17 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-28 5:38 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-28 2:58 ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-28 4:34 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-28 8:04 ` Greg KH
2016-08-28 15:58 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-28 3:18 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-28 4:40 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-28 6:25 ` David Woodhouse
2016-08-29 11:24 ` Maxime Ripard
2016-08-29 11:50 ` Greg KH
2016-08-30 9:57 ` Maxime Ripard
2016-08-30 15:33 ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-08-30 16:04 ` Guenter Roeck
2016-08-30 19:44 ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-08-31 8:24 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-08-31 9:28 ` Maxime Ripard
2016-08-30 16:55 ` Mark Brown
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2016-08-26 2:46 Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26 3:07 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-26 4:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26 4:48 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-26 5:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26 5:35 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-26 15:28 ` Rik van Riel
2016-08-26 16:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26 16:48 ` Rik van Riel
2016-08-26 17:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26 17:49 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-26 19:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26 19:29 ` Rik van Riel
2016-08-26 19:45 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-26 19:53 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-26 19:55 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-26 19:58 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-26 21:41 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-26 23:04 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-26 23:34 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-27 0:03 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-27 4:00 ` Josh Triplett
2016-08-26 19:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26 16:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26 19:36 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-26 20:09 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-26 15:23 ` Karen Sandler
2016-08-26 16:37 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-26 17:19 ` Karen Sandler
2016-08-27 15:43 ` Greg KH
2016-08-27 17:14 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-27 18:47 ` Julia Lawall
2016-08-27 18:35 ` Wolfram Sang
2016-08-27 22:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-28 7:47 ` Greg KH
2016-08-28 9:54 ` David Woodhouse
2016-08-29 17:42 ` Rik van Riel
2016-08-29 18:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-29 19:04 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-30 18:00 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-30 18:25 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-30 19:31 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-29 20:19 ` Wolfram Sang
2016-08-29 21:31 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-29 21:52 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-29 21:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-29 23:05 ` Guenter Roeck
2016-08-30 4:32 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-24 5:30 Karen Sandler
2016-08-24 13:08 ` Greg KH
2016-08-24 14:25 ` Karen Sandler
2016-08-24 14:39 ` Josh Triplett
2016-08-24 15:21 ` Mark Brown
2016-08-24 16:54 ` Randy Dunlap
2016-08-24 17:39 ` Greg KH
2016-08-24 17:54 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-24 18:30 ` Wolfram Sang
2016-08-24 19:57 ` Greg KH
2016-08-24 20:19 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-24 21:13 ` Karen Sandler
2016-08-24 22:01 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-24 17:38 ` Greg KH
2016-08-24 14:38 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-08-24 14:44 ` Josh Triplett
2016-08-24 15:29 ` David Woodhouse
2016-08-24 17:47 ` Greg KH
2016-08-24 18:24 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-24 20:41 ` Greg KH
2016-08-24 21:09 ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-24 21:21 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-24 21:33 ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-24 21:42 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-24 21:46 ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-25 16:27 ` Rik van Riel
2016-08-24 20:50 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-24 21:54 ` Greg KH
2016-08-25 4:06 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-25 6:37 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-25 7:03 ` Josh Triplett
2016-08-25 20:03 ` Dave Airlie
2016-08-25 20:20 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-25 20:28 ` Dave Airlie
2016-08-26 0:59 ` Greg KH
2016-08-26 2:30 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-26 16:34 ` Luck, Tony
2016-08-26 11:49 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-28 7:48 ` Wolfram Sang
2016-08-26 12:03 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-26 12:33 ` Christoph Hellwig
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