From: Jeremy Allison <jra@samba.org>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Cc: "Bradley M. Kuhn" <bkuhn@sfconservancy.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] GPL defense issues
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 21:40:35 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160828044034.GC8742@jeremy-acer> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1472354316.2440.65.camel@HansenPartnership.com>
On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 09:18:36PM -0600, James Bottomley wrote:
> On Sat, 2016-08-27 at 16:02 -0700, Jeremy Allison via Ksummit-discuss
> wrote:
> > The GPL allows legal penalties for non-compliance. We
> > know this as there have already been such.
> >
> > Your project has been enourmously successful - more so
> > than any other Free Software project in the world. And it
> > did so under the GPL.
> >
> > You now appear to want to change the conditions under which
> > most contributors added code - to one that has no legal
> > penalties for non-compliance with the license.
>
> This might also be a core issue.
I agree this is a core issue.
> I believe everyone participating in this debate agrees there
>should be consequences for non-compliance.
That isn't clear to me at all, unless "ask again, try and
be nicer" counts as a consequence. I don't believe that it
does.
> However, some people believe that the emphasis on "legal penalties"
> produces an escalating atmosphere that precludes other avenues.
"legal penalties" are a last, worst option - that I think
everyone agrees with. The core issue to me is - should
"legal penalties" *ever* be an option ?
My opinion (for Samba, the only area my opinion matters and
feel free to tell me to bugger off a Linux kernel list and
I'll shut up) is that they should. I would have sued the
bastards renaming my code and adding a license manager for
example :-). I'm only glad I didn't have to.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-08-28 4:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 173+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-08-26 19:33 [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] GPL defense issues Jeremy Allison
2016-08-26 21:19 ` David Woodhouse
2016-08-26 21:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26 22:42 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-26 23:02 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-26 23:58 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-27 0:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-27 1:30 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-27 7:00 ` David Woodhouse
2016-08-26 23:54 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-27 16:26 ` Greg KH
2016-08-27 21:18 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-28 1:43 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-28 2:02 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-28 3:10 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-28 4:42 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-28 20:51 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-28 4:24 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-28 12:55 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-28 14:06 ` David Woodhouse
2016-08-29 6:26 ` Greg KH
2016-08-29 11:10 ` Harald Welte
2016-08-30 17:38 ` Mark Brown
2016-08-30 18:04 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-30 18:36 ` Josh Triplett
2016-08-28 15:43 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-28 19:36 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-28 20:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-29 15:35 ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-29 15:51 ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-29 19:45 ` Karen Sandler
2016-08-29 16:26 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-30 17:13 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-28 16:26 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-28 19:58 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-28 22:54 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-29 9:01 ` Harald Welte
2016-08-30 16:15 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-30 16:45 ` Greg KH
2016-08-30 17:20 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-30 18:15 ` Greg KH
2016-08-30 19:17 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-31 2:58 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-31 18:51 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-31 8:37 ` Greg KH
2016-08-31 18:53 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-30 23:19 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-30 17:49 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-30 18:17 ` Greg KH
2016-08-30 18:28 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-30 17:10 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-30 17:16 ` Luck, Tony
2016-08-30 17:40 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-30 17:37 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-28 15:37 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-28 5:09 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-27 23:02 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-27 23:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-27 23:29 ` Jeremy Allison
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2016-08-27 23:30 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-27 23:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-28 0:02 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-28 0:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-29 16:57 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-27 23:35 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-28 4:47 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-28 5:17 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-28 5:38 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-28 2:58 ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-28 4:34 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-28 8:04 ` Greg KH
2016-08-28 15:58 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-28 3:18 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-28 4:40 ` Jeremy Allison [this message]
2016-08-28 6:25 ` David Woodhouse
2016-08-29 11:24 ` Maxime Ripard
2016-08-29 11:50 ` Greg KH
2016-08-30 9:57 ` Maxime Ripard
2016-08-30 15:33 ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-08-30 16:04 ` Guenter Roeck
2016-08-30 19:44 ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-08-31 8:24 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-08-31 9:28 ` Maxime Ripard
2016-08-30 16:55 ` Mark Brown
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2016-08-26 2:46 Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26 3:07 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-26 4:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26 4:48 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-26 5:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26 5:35 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-26 15:28 ` Rik van Riel
2016-08-26 16:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26 16:48 ` Rik van Riel
2016-08-26 17:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26 17:49 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-26 19:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26 19:29 ` Rik van Riel
2016-08-26 19:45 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-26 19:53 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-26 19:55 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-26 19:58 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-26 21:41 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-26 23:04 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-26 23:34 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-27 0:03 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-27 4:00 ` Josh Triplett
2016-08-26 19:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26 16:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26 19:36 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-26 20:09 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-26 15:23 ` Karen Sandler
2016-08-26 16:37 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-26 17:19 ` Karen Sandler
2016-08-27 15:43 ` Greg KH
2016-08-27 17:14 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-27 18:47 ` Julia Lawall
2016-08-27 18:35 ` Wolfram Sang
2016-08-27 22:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-28 7:47 ` Greg KH
2016-08-28 9:54 ` David Woodhouse
2016-08-29 17:42 ` Rik van Riel
2016-08-29 18:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-29 19:04 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-30 18:00 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-30 18:25 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-30 19:31 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-29 20:19 ` Wolfram Sang
2016-08-29 21:31 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-29 21:52 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-29 21:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-29 23:05 ` Guenter Roeck
2016-08-30 4:32 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-24 5:30 Karen Sandler
2016-08-24 13:08 ` Greg KH
2016-08-24 14:25 ` Karen Sandler
2016-08-24 14:39 ` Josh Triplett
2016-08-24 15:21 ` Mark Brown
2016-08-24 16:54 ` Randy Dunlap
2016-08-24 17:39 ` Greg KH
2016-08-24 17:54 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-24 18:30 ` Wolfram Sang
2016-08-24 19:57 ` Greg KH
2016-08-24 20:19 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-24 21:13 ` Karen Sandler
2016-08-24 22:01 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-24 17:38 ` Greg KH
2016-08-24 14:38 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-08-24 14:44 ` Josh Triplett
2016-08-24 15:29 ` David Woodhouse
2016-08-24 17:47 ` Greg KH
2016-08-24 18:24 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-24 20:41 ` Greg KH
2016-08-24 21:09 ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-24 21:21 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-24 21:33 ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-24 21:42 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-24 21:46 ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-25 16:27 ` Rik van Riel
2016-08-24 20:50 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-24 21:54 ` Greg KH
2016-08-25 4:06 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-25 6:37 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-25 7:03 ` Josh Triplett
2016-08-25 20:03 ` Dave Airlie
2016-08-25 20:20 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-25 20:28 ` Dave Airlie
2016-08-26 0:59 ` Greg KH
2016-08-26 2:30 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-26 16:34 ` Luck, Tony
2016-08-26 11:49 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-28 7:48 ` Wolfram Sang
2016-08-26 12:03 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-26 12:33 ` Christoph Hellwig
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