From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Jeremy Allison <jra@samba.org>
Cc: "Bradley M. Kuhn" <bkuhn@sfconservancy.org>,
ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] GPL defense issues
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 16:13:25 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+55aFzE4agwAkbB_zv2oaAa3jsd=Q3MkB+1+J=XjsOoeUT1jA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160827230210.GA6717@jeremy-acer>
On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Jeremy Allison <jra@samba.org> wrote:
>
> Dealing with legal and compliance issues is *mandatory* for all
> open source projects larger than one developer and their dog
> with a github account.
You state that as an absolute fact, but there is nothing that really
backs that up. An as mentioned, there really are very real arguments
against your "fact".
Quite frankly, after having watched a few videos of Bradley talking
about what he does and _why_ he does it, I really would never want to
have him or the SFC represent Linux in court. Ever. Not unless they
make it very clear that their agenda has changed.
Why? Because he explains how he feels that "strong copyleft" is
inherently good, and Linux is the only remaining project big enough
and meaningful enough to force legal attention on the GPL.
In other words, his publicly stated motivation for license compliance
isn't for the good of the kernel - it's for the good of his license
enforcement.
Quite frankly, if you let people like that be in charge of your legal
team, you're crazy. That's insane. I'm not insane.
The only people I'd ever let be in charge of a lawsuit around Linux
are the people who have the best interests of Linux in mind.
Definitely not people with an agenda, where Linux is just the *tool*.
We need to be very clear about this. The only possible situation where
license enforcement makes sense is when it's good for the *project*.
Not when it's good for license enforcement.
Linus
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-08-27 23:13 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 173+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-08-26 19:33 [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] GPL defense issues Jeremy Allison
2016-08-26 21:19 ` David Woodhouse
2016-08-26 21:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26 22:42 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-26 23:02 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-26 23:58 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-27 0:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-27 1:30 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-27 7:00 ` David Woodhouse
2016-08-26 23:54 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-27 16:26 ` Greg KH
2016-08-27 21:18 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-28 1:43 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-28 2:02 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-28 3:10 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-28 4:42 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-28 20:51 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-28 4:24 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-28 12:55 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-28 14:06 ` David Woodhouse
2016-08-29 6:26 ` Greg KH
2016-08-29 11:10 ` Harald Welte
2016-08-30 17:38 ` Mark Brown
2016-08-30 18:04 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-30 18:36 ` Josh Triplett
2016-08-28 15:43 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-28 19:36 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-28 20:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-29 15:35 ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-29 15:51 ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-29 19:45 ` Karen Sandler
2016-08-29 16:26 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-30 17:13 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-28 16:26 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-28 19:58 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-28 22:54 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-29 9:01 ` Harald Welte
2016-08-30 16:15 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-30 16:45 ` Greg KH
2016-08-30 17:20 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-30 18:15 ` Greg KH
2016-08-30 19:17 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-31 2:58 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-31 18:51 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-31 8:37 ` Greg KH
2016-08-31 18:53 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-30 23:19 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-30 17:49 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-30 18:17 ` Greg KH
2016-08-30 18:28 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-30 17:10 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-30 17:16 ` Luck, Tony
2016-08-30 17:40 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-30 17:37 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-28 15:37 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-28 5:09 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-27 23:02 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-27 23:13 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2016-08-27 23:29 ` Jeremy Allison
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2016-08-27 23:30 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-27 23:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-28 0:02 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-28 0:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-29 16:57 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-27 23:35 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-28 4:47 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-28 5:17 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-28 5:38 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-28 2:58 ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-28 4:34 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-28 8:04 ` Greg KH
2016-08-28 15:58 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-28 3:18 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-28 4:40 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-28 6:25 ` David Woodhouse
2016-08-29 11:24 ` Maxime Ripard
2016-08-29 11:50 ` Greg KH
2016-08-30 9:57 ` Maxime Ripard
2016-08-30 15:33 ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-08-30 16:04 ` Guenter Roeck
2016-08-30 19:44 ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-08-31 8:24 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-08-31 9:28 ` Maxime Ripard
2016-08-30 16:55 ` Mark Brown
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2016-08-26 2:46 Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26 3:07 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-26 4:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26 4:48 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-26 5:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26 5:35 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-26 15:28 ` Rik van Riel
2016-08-26 16:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26 16:48 ` Rik van Riel
2016-08-26 17:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26 17:49 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-26 19:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26 19:29 ` Rik van Riel
2016-08-26 19:45 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-26 19:53 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-26 19:55 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-26 19:58 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-26 21:41 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-26 23:04 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-26 23:34 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-27 0:03 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-27 4:00 ` Josh Triplett
2016-08-26 19:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26 16:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-26 19:36 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-26 20:09 ` Jeremy Allison
2016-08-26 15:23 ` Karen Sandler
2016-08-26 16:37 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-26 17:19 ` Karen Sandler
2016-08-27 15:43 ` Greg KH
2016-08-27 17:14 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-27 18:47 ` Julia Lawall
2016-08-27 18:35 ` Wolfram Sang
2016-08-27 22:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-28 7:47 ` Greg KH
2016-08-28 9:54 ` David Woodhouse
2016-08-29 17:42 ` Rik van Riel
2016-08-29 18:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-29 19:04 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-30 18:00 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-30 18:25 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-30 19:31 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-29 20:19 ` Wolfram Sang
2016-08-29 21:31 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-29 21:52 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-29 21:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-29 23:05 ` Guenter Roeck
2016-08-30 4:32 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-24 5:30 Karen Sandler
2016-08-24 13:08 ` Greg KH
2016-08-24 14:25 ` Karen Sandler
2016-08-24 14:39 ` Josh Triplett
2016-08-24 15:21 ` Mark Brown
2016-08-24 16:54 ` Randy Dunlap
2016-08-24 17:39 ` Greg KH
2016-08-24 17:54 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-24 18:30 ` Wolfram Sang
2016-08-24 19:57 ` Greg KH
2016-08-24 20:19 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-24 21:13 ` Karen Sandler
2016-08-24 22:01 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-24 17:38 ` Greg KH
2016-08-24 14:38 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-08-24 14:44 ` Josh Triplett
2016-08-24 15:29 ` David Woodhouse
2016-08-24 17:47 ` Greg KH
2016-08-24 18:24 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-24 20:41 ` Greg KH
2016-08-24 21:09 ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-24 21:21 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-24 21:33 ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-24 21:42 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-24 21:46 ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-25 16:27 ` Rik van Riel
2016-08-24 20:50 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-24 21:54 ` Greg KH
2016-08-25 4:06 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2016-08-25 6:37 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-08-25 7:03 ` Josh Triplett
2016-08-25 20:03 ` Dave Airlie
2016-08-25 20:20 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-25 20:28 ` Dave Airlie
2016-08-26 0:59 ` Greg KH
2016-08-26 2:30 ` Matthew Garrett
2016-08-26 16:34 ` Luck, Tony
2016-08-26 11:49 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-28 7:48 ` Wolfram Sang
2016-08-26 12:03 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-26 12:33 ` Christoph Hellwig
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