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From: Alexandre Belloni <alexandre.belloni@free-electrons.com>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Cc: Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@gmail.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	Ulf Hansson <ulf.hansson@linaro.org>,
	Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano@linaro.org>,
	linux-pm <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Thibaud Cornic <thibaud_cornic@sigmadesigns.com>,
	JB <jb_lescher@sigmadesigns.com>, Mason <slash.tmp@free.fr>,
	Kevin Hilman <khilman@kernel.org>,
	Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC 1/2] PM / suspend: Add platform_suspend_target_state()
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 15:41:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170716134116.wxwb3gevbhlereij@piout.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170706031819.GD12954@xo-6d-61-c0.localdomain>

On 06/07/2017 at 05:18:19 +0200, Pavel Machek wrote:
> On Sat 2017-07-15 20:33:58, Alexandre Belloni wrote:
> > On 15/07/2017 at 10:20:27 -0700, Florian Fainelli wrote:
> > > > We already have
> > > > 
> > > > struct regulator_state {
> > > >        int uV; /* suspend voltage */
> > > >        unsigned int mode; /* suspend regulator operating mode */
> > > >        int enabled; /* is regulator enabled in this suspend state */
> > > >        int disabled; /* is the regulator disabled in this suspend state */
> > > > };
> > > > 
> > > >  * struct regulation_constraints - regulator operating constraints.
> > > >   * @state_disk: State for regulator when system is suspended in disk
> > > >   * mode.
> > > >   * @state_mem: State for regulator when system is suspended in mem
> > > >   * mode.
> > > >   * @state_standby: State for regulator when system is suspended in
> > > >   * standby
> > > >   *                 mode.
> > > >    
> > > > . So it seems that maybe we should tell the drivers if we are entering
> > > > "state_mem" or "state_standby" (something I may have opposed, sorry),
> > > > then the driver can get neccessary information from regulator
> > > > framework.
> > > 
> > > OK, so what would be the mechanism to tell these drivers about the
> > > system wide suspend state they are entering if it is not via
> > > platform_suspend_target_state()?
> > > 
> > > Keep in mind that regulators might be one aspect of what could be
> > > causing the platform to behave specifically in one suspend state vs.
> > > another, but there could be pieces of HW within the SoC that can't be
> > > described with power domains, voltage islands etc. that would still have
> > > inherent suspend states properties (like memory retention, pin/pad
> > > controls etc. etc). We still need some mechanism, possibly centralized
> > > 
> > 
> > I concur, the regulator stuff is one aspect of one of our suspend state
> > (cutting VDDcore). But we have another state where the main clock (going
> > to the IPs) is going from a few hundred MHz to 32kHz. This is currently
> > handled by calling at91_suspend_entering_slow_clock(). I think it is
> > important to take that into account so we can remove this hack from the
> > kernel.
> 
> Cure should not be worse then the disease... and it is in this case.
> 
> For clocks, take a look at clock framework, perhaps it already has "clock_will_be_suspended"
> as regulator framework had. If not, implement it.
> 

See Rafael's comment, currently, the clock framework can't say whether
the clock will change because it doesn't know anything about the suspend
target.

> Same with memory retention, pin/pad controls.
> 

Same here.


-- 
Alexandre Belloni, Free Electrons
Embedded Linux and Kernel engineering
http://free-electrons.com

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From: alexandre.belloni@free-electrons.com (Alexandre Belloni)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [RFC 1/2] PM / suspend: Add platform_suspend_target_state()
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 15:41:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170716134116.wxwb3gevbhlereij@piout.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170706031819.GD12954@xo-6d-61-c0.localdomain>

On 06/07/2017 at 05:18:19 +0200, Pavel Machek wrote:
> On Sat 2017-07-15 20:33:58, Alexandre Belloni wrote:
> > On 15/07/2017 at 10:20:27 -0700, Florian Fainelli wrote:
> > > > We already have
> > > > 
> > > > struct regulator_state {
> > > >        int uV; /* suspend voltage */
> > > >        unsigned int mode; /* suspend regulator operating mode */
> > > >        int enabled; /* is regulator enabled in this suspend state */
> > > >        int disabled; /* is the regulator disabled in this suspend state */
> > > > };
> > > > 
> > > >  * struct regulation_constraints - regulator operating constraints.
> > > >   * @state_disk: State for regulator when system is suspended in disk
> > > >   * mode.
> > > >   * @state_mem: State for regulator when system is suspended in mem
> > > >   * mode.
> > > >   * @state_standby: State for regulator when system is suspended in
> > > >   * standby
> > > >   *                 mode.
> > > >    
> > > > . So it seems that maybe we should tell the drivers if we are entering
> > > > "state_mem" or "state_standby" (something I may have opposed, sorry),
> > > > then the driver can get neccessary information from regulator
> > > > framework.
> > > 
> > > OK, so what would be the mechanism to tell these drivers about the
> > > system wide suspend state they are entering if it is not via
> > > platform_suspend_target_state()?
> > > 
> > > Keep in mind that regulators might be one aspect of what could be
> > > causing the platform to behave specifically in one suspend state vs.
> > > another, but there could be pieces of HW within the SoC that can't be
> > > described with power domains, voltage islands etc. that would still have
> > > inherent suspend states properties (like memory retention, pin/pad
> > > controls etc. etc). We still need some mechanism, possibly centralized
> > > 
> > 
> > I concur, the regulator stuff is one aspect of one of our suspend state
> > (cutting VDDcore). But we have another state where the main clock (going
> > to the IPs) is going from a few hundred MHz to 32kHz. This is currently
> > handled by calling at91_suspend_entering_slow_clock(). I think it is
> > important to take that into account so we can remove this hack from the
> > kernel.
> 
> Cure should not be worse then the disease... and it is in this case.
> 
> For clocks, take a look at clock framework, perhaps it already has "clock_will_be_suspended"
> as regulator framework had. If not, implement it.
> 

See Rafael's comment, currently, the clock framework can't say whether
the clock will change because it doesn't know anything about the suspend
target.

> Same with memory retention, pin/pad controls.
> 

Same here.


-- 
Alexandre Belloni, Free Electrons
Embedded Linux and Kernel engineering
http://free-electrons.com

  reply	other threads:[~2017-07-16 13:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-06-09 15:20 Drivers taking different actions depending on sleep state Mason
2017-06-09 15:20 ` Mason
2017-06-09 16:27 ` Mason
2017-06-09 16:27   ` Mason
2017-06-09 21:30   ` Pavel Machek
2017-06-09 21:30     ` Pavel Machek
2017-06-10  9:16     ` Mason
2017-06-10  9:16       ` Mason
2017-06-09 22:05 ` Florian Fainelli
2017-06-09 22:05   ` Florian Fainelli
2017-06-09 22:53 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-09 22:53   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-21 21:16   ` Florian Fainelli
2017-06-21 21:16     ` Florian Fainelli
2017-06-21 21:59     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-21 21:59       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-21 22:48       ` Florian Fainelli
2017-06-21 22:48         ` Florian Fainelli
2017-06-21 22:57         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-21 22:57           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-21 23:55           ` Florian Fainelli
2017-06-21 23:55             ` Florian Fainelli
2017-06-22  0:03             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-22  0:03               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-22 15:18               ` Florian Fainelli
2017-06-22 15:18                 ` Florian Fainelli
2017-06-22 16:09                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-22 16:09                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-22  8:51             ` Alexandre Belloni
2017-06-22  8:51               ` Alexandre Belloni
2017-06-22 16:00               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-22 16:00                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-23  1:08               ` [RFC 0/2] PM / suspend: Add platform_suspend_target_state() Florian Fainelli
2017-06-23  1:08                 ` Florian Fainelli
2017-06-23  1:08                 ` [RFC 1/2] " Florian Fainelli
2017-06-23  1:08                   ` Florian Fainelli
2017-06-29 23:00                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-29 23:00                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-12 18:08                     ` Florian Fainelli
2017-07-12 18:08                       ` Florian Fainelli
2017-07-14 22:16                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-14 22:16                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-15  6:28                         ` Pavel Machek
2017-07-15  6:28                           ` Pavel Machek
2017-07-15 12:17                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-15 12:17                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-15 16:46                             ` Pavel Machek
2017-07-15 16:46                               ` Pavel Machek
2017-07-15 17:20                               ` Florian Fainelli
2017-07-15 17:20                                 ` Florian Fainelli
2017-07-15 18:33                                 ` Alexandre Belloni
2017-07-15 18:33                                   ` Alexandre Belloni
2017-07-06  3:18                                   ` Pavel Machek
2017-07-06  3:18                                     ` Pavel Machek
2017-07-16 13:41                                     ` Alexandre Belloni [this message]
2017-07-16 13:41                                       ` Alexandre Belloni
2017-07-16 15:35                                       ` Florian Fainelli
2017-07-16 15:35                                         ` Florian Fainelli
2017-07-15 23:24                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-15 23:24                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-15 23:34                                   ` Mason
2017-07-15 23:34                                     ` Mason
2017-07-15 23:38                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-15 23:38                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-16  2:36                                       ` Florian Fainelli
2017-07-16  2:36                                         ` Florian Fainelli
2017-07-16 10:22                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-16 10:22                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-16 13:38                                           ` Alexandre Belloni
2017-07-16 13:38                                             ` Alexandre Belloni
2017-07-16 18:24                                             ` Pavel Machek
2017-07-16 18:24                                               ` Pavel Machek
2017-07-16 15:41                                           ` Florian Fainelli
2017-07-16 15:41                                             ` Florian Fainelli
2017-07-15 23:29                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-15 23:29                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-06  3:17                                 ` Pavel Machek
2017-07-06  3:17                                   ` Pavel Machek
2017-07-16 10:28                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-16 10:28                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-16 18:22                                     ` Pavel Machek
2017-07-16 18:22                                       ` Pavel Machek
2017-06-23  1:08                 ` [RFC 2/2] soc: bcm: brcmstb: PM: Implement target_state callback Florian Fainelli
2017-06-23  1:08                   ` Florian Fainelli
2017-06-29 23:04                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-29 23:04                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-16  2:36                 ` [PATCH 0/2] PM / suspend: Add platform_suspend_target_state() Florian Fainelli
2017-07-16  2:36                   ` Florian Fainelli
2017-07-16  2:36                   ` [PATCH 1/2] " Florian Fainelli
2017-07-16  2:36                     ` Florian Fainelli
2017-07-06  3:18                     ` Pavel Machek
2017-07-06  3:18                       ` Pavel Machek
2017-07-16 15:41                       ` Florian Fainelli
2017-07-16 15:41                         ` Florian Fainelli
2017-07-16 10:30                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-16 10:30                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-16  2:36                   ` [PATCH 2/2] soc: bcm: brcmstb: PM: Implement target_state callback Florian Fainelli
2017-07-16  2:36                     ` Florian Fainelli
2017-07-17 20:06                   ` [PATCH v2] PM / suspend: Add suspend_target_state() Florian Fainelli
2017-07-17 20:06                     ` Florian Fainelli
2017-07-17 20:16                     ` Pavel Machek
2017-07-17 20:16                       ` Pavel Machek
2017-07-17 21:03                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-17 21:03                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-17 21:21                         ` Florian Fainelli
2017-07-17 21:21                           ` Florian Fainelli
2017-07-20  8:03                     ` Pavel Machek
2017-07-20  8:03                       ` Pavel Machek
2017-07-17 22:10                   ` [PATCH v3] PM / suspend: Export pm_suspend_target_state Florian Fainelli
2017-07-17 22:10                     ` Florian Fainelli
2017-07-17 23:24                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-17 23:24                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-18  0:19                     ` [PATCH v4] " Florian Fainelli
2017-07-18  0:19                       ` Florian Fainelli
2017-07-24 20:55                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-24 20:55                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-13 12:03               ` Drivers taking different actions depending on sleep state Pavel Machek
2017-07-13 12:03                 ` Pavel Machek

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