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From: Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@gmail.com>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>, Mason <slash.tmp@free.fr>
Cc: Ulf Hansson <ulf.hansson@linaro.org>,
	JB <jb_lescher@sigmadesigns.com>,
	linux-pm <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Thibaud Cornic <thibaud_cornic@sigmadesigns.com>,
	Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano@linaro.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	Kevin Hilman <khilman@kernel.org>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: Drivers taking different actions depending on sleep state
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 14:16:11 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ccac39d6-4611-8b46-12f7-24227ef3b35e@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJZ5v0iL7voAz9T+36fXXncOj4UrFSAH8WzwEbec96GuFUteaQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 06/09/2017 03:53 PM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 5:20 PM, Mason <slash.tmp@free.fr> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I read the "Sleep States" documentation:
>> https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/power/states.txt
>>
>> It mentions /sys/power/mem_sleep but I don't have that in 4.9
>> # ll /sys/power/
>> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          4096 Jan  1 00:31 pm_async
>> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          4096 Jan  1 00:31 pm_freeze_timeout
>> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          4096 Jan  1 00:31 state
>> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          4096 Jan  1 00:31 wakeup_count
>>
>> # cat /sys/power/state
>> freeze mem
>>
>> Currently my platform's "mem" is a true suspend-to-RAM trigger,
>> where drivers are supposed to save their state (register values
>> will be lost), then Linux hands control over to firmware which
>> enables RAM self-refresh and powers the chip down. When the system
>> resumes, drivers restore their state from their copy in memory.
>>
>> One driver is responsible for loading/unloading microcode running
>> on the DSPs. This operation is required only when powering down
>> the chip, but it should be avoided for "low-latency" sleeps.
>>
>> The problem is that, if I understand correctly, drivers have no way
>> of knowing which sleep state is being entered/exited?
>>
>> How can I have the microcode driver take different decisions
>> based on the sleep state?
> 
> The cleanest way would be to run that code from one of the platform
> suspend hooks that receive information on what sleep state is to be
> entered.

I am not sure this would be cleaner, because that would create a tighter
dependency between different drivers, each of them having their
suspend/resume routings and the driver that implements the
platform_suspend_ops, that could also create some nice layering
violations and some difficult to solve dependencies.

> 
> Alternatively, those hooks can set/clear flags that can be accessed by
> drivers, but that of course may your drivers depend on the platform
> (still, in the microcode case the driver seems to be
> platform-dependent anyway).

It may be platform dependent, but the actual system-wide suspend/resume
implementations can vary a lot. For example you may have started with
some particular CPU architecture on your platforms, with one driver
implementing an instance of platform_suspend_ops, and then as you moved
to another CPU architecture, some of that could be managed by a generic
driver (e.g: ARM SCPI, ACPI etc. etc.).

The same HW blocks are likely to be present on these different SoCs, and
have the same requirements where they need to see a slightly different
path taken on suspend/resume. If we have to patch both the "legacy"
platform_suspend_ops, and the "new" platform_suspend_ops that does not
really scale.

Would it be that much of a stretch if we reflected e.g:
PM_SUSPEND_STANDBY, PM_SUSPEND_MEM into the pm_message_t that is
communicated to platform_driver::suspend and platform_driver::resume?

Thanks!
-- 
Florian

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: f.fainelli@gmail.com (Florian Fainelli)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Drivers taking different actions depending on sleep state
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 14:16:11 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ccac39d6-4611-8b46-12f7-24227ef3b35e@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJZ5v0iL7voAz9T+36fXXncOj4UrFSAH8WzwEbec96GuFUteaQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 06/09/2017 03:53 PM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 5:20 PM, Mason <slash.tmp@free.fr> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I read the "Sleep States" documentation:
>> https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/power/states.txt
>>
>> It mentions /sys/power/mem_sleep but I don't have that in 4.9
>> # ll /sys/power/
>> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          4096 Jan  1 00:31 pm_async
>> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          4096 Jan  1 00:31 pm_freeze_timeout
>> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          4096 Jan  1 00:31 state
>> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          4096 Jan  1 00:31 wakeup_count
>>
>> # cat /sys/power/state
>> freeze mem
>>
>> Currently my platform's "mem" is a true suspend-to-RAM trigger,
>> where drivers are supposed to save their state (register values
>> will be lost), then Linux hands control over to firmware which
>> enables RAM self-refresh and powers the chip down. When the system
>> resumes, drivers restore their state from their copy in memory.
>>
>> One driver is responsible for loading/unloading microcode running
>> on the DSPs. This operation is required only when powering down
>> the chip, but it should be avoided for "low-latency" sleeps.
>>
>> The problem is that, if I understand correctly, drivers have no way
>> of knowing which sleep state is being entered/exited?
>>
>> How can I have the microcode driver take different decisions
>> based on the sleep state?
> 
> The cleanest way would be to run that code from one of the platform
> suspend hooks that receive information on what sleep state is to be
> entered.

I am not sure this would be cleaner, because that would create a tighter
dependency between different drivers, each of them having their
suspend/resume routings and the driver that implements the
platform_suspend_ops, that could also create some nice layering
violations and some difficult to solve dependencies.

> 
> Alternatively, those hooks can set/clear flags that can be accessed by
> drivers, but that of course may your drivers depend on the platform
> (still, in the microcode case the driver seems to be
> platform-dependent anyway).

It may be platform dependent, but the actual system-wide suspend/resume
implementations can vary a lot. For example you may have started with
some particular CPU architecture on your platforms, with one driver
implementing an instance of platform_suspend_ops, and then as you moved
to another CPU architecture, some of that could be managed by a generic
driver (e.g: ARM SCPI, ACPI etc. etc.).

The same HW blocks are likely to be present on these different SoCs, and
have the same requirements where they need to see a slightly different
path taken on suspend/resume. If we have to patch both the "legacy"
platform_suspend_ops, and the "new" platform_suspend_ops that does not
really scale.

Would it be that much of a stretch if we reflected e.g:
PM_SUSPEND_STANDBY, PM_SUSPEND_MEM into the pm_message_t that is
communicated to platform_driver::suspend and platform_driver::resume?

Thanks!
-- 
Florian

  reply	other threads:[~2017-06-21 21:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-06-09 15:20 Drivers taking different actions depending on sleep state Mason
2017-06-09 15:20 ` Mason
2017-06-09 16:27 ` Mason
2017-06-09 16:27   ` Mason
2017-06-09 21:30   ` Pavel Machek
2017-06-09 21:30     ` Pavel Machek
2017-06-10  9:16     ` Mason
2017-06-10  9:16       ` Mason
2017-06-09 22:05 ` Florian Fainelli
2017-06-09 22:05   ` Florian Fainelli
2017-06-09 22:53 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-09 22:53   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-21 21:16   ` Florian Fainelli [this message]
2017-06-21 21:16     ` Florian Fainelli
2017-06-21 21:59     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-21 21:59       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-21 22:48       ` Florian Fainelli
2017-06-21 22:48         ` Florian Fainelli
2017-06-21 22:57         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-21 22:57           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-21 23:55           ` Florian Fainelli
2017-06-21 23:55             ` Florian Fainelli
2017-06-22  0:03             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-22  0:03               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-22 15:18               ` Florian Fainelli
2017-06-22 15:18                 ` Florian Fainelli
2017-06-22 16:09                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-22 16:09                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-22  8:51             ` Alexandre Belloni
2017-06-22  8:51               ` Alexandre Belloni
2017-06-22 16:00               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-22 16:00                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-23  1:08               ` [RFC 0/2] PM / suspend: Add platform_suspend_target_state() Florian Fainelli
2017-06-23  1:08                 ` Florian Fainelli
2017-06-23  1:08                 ` [RFC 1/2] " Florian Fainelli
2017-06-23  1:08                   ` Florian Fainelli
2017-06-29 23:00                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-29 23:00                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-12 18:08                     ` Florian Fainelli
2017-07-12 18:08                       ` Florian Fainelli
2017-07-14 22:16                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-14 22:16                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-15  6:28                         ` Pavel Machek
2017-07-15  6:28                           ` Pavel Machek
2017-07-15 12:17                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-15 12:17                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-15 16:46                             ` Pavel Machek
2017-07-15 16:46                               ` Pavel Machek
2017-07-15 17:20                               ` Florian Fainelli
2017-07-15 17:20                                 ` Florian Fainelli
2017-07-15 18:33                                 ` Alexandre Belloni
2017-07-15 18:33                                   ` Alexandre Belloni
2017-07-06  3:18                                   ` Pavel Machek
2017-07-06  3:18                                     ` Pavel Machek
2017-07-16 13:41                                     ` Alexandre Belloni
2017-07-16 13:41                                       ` Alexandre Belloni
2017-07-16 15:35                                       ` Florian Fainelli
2017-07-16 15:35                                         ` Florian Fainelli
2017-07-15 23:24                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-15 23:24                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-15 23:34                                   ` Mason
2017-07-15 23:34                                     ` Mason
2017-07-15 23:38                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-15 23:38                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-16  2:36                                       ` Florian Fainelli
2017-07-16  2:36                                         ` Florian Fainelli
2017-07-16 10:22                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-16 10:22                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-16 13:38                                           ` Alexandre Belloni
2017-07-16 13:38                                             ` Alexandre Belloni
2017-07-16 18:24                                             ` Pavel Machek
2017-07-16 18:24                                               ` Pavel Machek
2017-07-16 15:41                                           ` Florian Fainelli
2017-07-16 15:41                                             ` Florian Fainelli
2017-07-15 23:29                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-15 23:29                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-06  3:17                                 ` Pavel Machek
2017-07-06  3:17                                   ` Pavel Machek
2017-07-16 10:28                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-16 10:28                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-16 18:22                                     ` Pavel Machek
2017-07-16 18:22                                       ` Pavel Machek
2017-06-23  1:08                 ` [RFC 2/2] soc: bcm: brcmstb: PM: Implement target_state callback Florian Fainelli
2017-06-23  1:08                   ` Florian Fainelli
2017-06-29 23:04                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-06-29 23:04                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-16  2:36                 ` [PATCH 0/2] PM / suspend: Add platform_suspend_target_state() Florian Fainelli
2017-07-16  2:36                   ` Florian Fainelli
2017-07-16  2:36                   ` [PATCH 1/2] " Florian Fainelli
2017-07-16  2:36                     ` Florian Fainelli
2017-07-06  3:18                     ` Pavel Machek
2017-07-06  3:18                       ` Pavel Machek
2017-07-16 15:41                       ` Florian Fainelli
2017-07-16 15:41                         ` Florian Fainelli
2017-07-16 10:30                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-16 10:30                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-16  2:36                   ` [PATCH 2/2] soc: bcm: brcmstb: PM: Implement target_state callback Florian Fainelli
2017-07-16  2:36                     ` Florian Fainelli
2017-07-17 20:06                   ` [PATCH v2] PM / suspend: Add suspend_target_state() Florian Fainelli
2017-07-17 20:06                     ` Florian Fainelli
2017-07-17 20:16                     ` Pavel Machek
2017-07-17 20:16                       ` Pavel Machek
2017-07-17 21:03                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-17 21:03                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-17 21:21                         ` Florian Fainelli
2017-07-17 21:21                           ` Florian Fainelli
2017-07-20  8:03                     ` Pavel Machek
2017-07-20  8:03                       ` Pavel Machek
2017-07-17 22:10                   ` [PATCH v3] PM / suspend: Export pm_suspend_target_state Florian Fainelli
2017-07-17 22:10                     ` Florian Fainelli
2017-07-17 23:24                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-17 23:24                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-18  0:19                     ` [PATCH v4] " Florian Fainelli
2017-07-18  0:19                       ` Florian Fainelli
2017-07-24 20:55                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-24 20:55                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2017-07-13 12:03               ` Drivers taking different actions depending on sleep state Pavel Machek
2017-07-13 12:03                 ` Pavel Machek

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