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From: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
To: "Russell King (Oracle)" <linux@armlinux.org.uk>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	x86@kernel.org, Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 7/8] membarrier: Remove arm (32) support for SYNC_CORE
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2021 12:33:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210617113349.GB82133@C02TD0UTHF1T.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210617112305.GK22278@shell.armlinux.org.uk>

On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 12:23:05PM +0100, Russell King (Oracle) wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 11:40:46AM +0100, Mark Rutland wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 08:21:12PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> > > On arm32, the only way to safely flush icache from usermode is to call
> > > cacheflush(2).  This also handles any required pipeline flushes, so
> > > membarrier's SYNC_CORE feature is useless on arm.  Remove it.
> > 
> > Unfortunately, it's a bit more complicated than that, and these days
> > SYNC_CORE is equally necessary on arm as on arm64. This is something
> > that changed in the architecture over time, but since ARMv7 we generally
> > need both the cache maintenance *and* a context synchronization event
> > (the latter must occur on the CPU which will execute the instructions).
> > 
> > If you look at the latest ARMv7-AR manual (ARM DDI 406C.d), section
> > A3.5.4 "Concurrent modification and execution of instructions" covers
> > this. That manual can be found at:
> > 
> > 	https://developer.arm.com/documentation/ddi0406/latest/
> 
> Looking at that, sys_cacheflush() meets this. The manual details a
> series of cache maintenance calls in "step 1" that the modifying thread
> must issue - this is exactly what sys_cacheflush() does. The same is
> true for ARMv6, except the "ISB" terminology is replaced by a
> "PrefetchFlush" terminology. (I checked DDI0100I).
> 
> "step 2" requires an ISB on the "other CPU" prior to executing that
> code. As I understand it, in ARMv7, userspace can issue an ISB itself.
> 
> For ARMv6K, it doesn't have ISB, but instead has a CP15 instruction
> for this that isn't availble to userspace. This is where we come to
> the situation about ARM 11MPCore, and whether we continue to support
> it or not.
> 
> So, I think we're completely fine with ARMv7 under 32-bit ARM kernels
> as userspace has everything that's required. ARMv6K is a different
> matter as we've already identified for several reasons.

Sure, and I agree we should not change cacheflush().

The point of membarrier(SYNC_CORE) is that you can move the cost of that
ISB out of the fast-path in the executing thread(s) and into the
slow-path on the thread which generated the code.

So e.g. rather than an executing thread always having to do:

	LDR	<reg>, [<funcptr>]
	ISB	// in case funcptr was just updated
	BLR	<reg>

... you have the thread generating the code use membarrier(SYNC_CORE)
prior to plublishing the funcptr, and the fast-path on all the executing
threads can be:

	LDR	<reg> [<funcptr>]
	BLR	<reg>

... and thus I think we still want membarrier(SYNC_CORE) so that people
can do this, even if there are other means to achieve the same
functionality.

Thanks,
Mark.

> 
> -- 
> RMK's Patch system: https://www.armlinux.org.uk/developer/patches/
> FTTP is here! 40Mbps down 10Mbps up. Decent connectivity at last!

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
To: "Russell King (Oracle)" <linux@armlinux.org.uk>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	x86@kernel.org, Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 7/8] membarrier: Remove arm (32) support for SYNC_CORE
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2021 12:33:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210617113349.GB82133@C02TD0UTHF1T.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210617112305.GK22278@shell.armlinux.org.uk>

On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 12:23:05PM +0100, Russell King (Oracle) wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 11:40:46AM +0100, Mark Rutland wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 08:21:12PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> > > On arm32, the only way to safely flush icache from usermode is to call
> > > cacheflush(2).  This also handles any required pipeline flushes, so
> > > membarrier's SYNC_CORE feature is useless on arm.  Remove it.
> > 
> > Unfortunately, it's a bit more complicated than that, and these days
> > SYNC_CORE is equally necessary on arm as on arm64. This is something
> > that changed in the architecture over time, but since ARMv7 we generally
> > need both the cache maintenance *and* a context synchronization event
> > (the latter must occur on the CPU which will execute the instructions).
> > 
> > If you look at the latest ARMv7-AR manual (ARM DDI 406C.d), section
> > A3.5.4 "Concurrent modification and execution of instructions" covers
> > this. That manual can be found at:
> > 
> > 	https://developer.arm.com/documentation/ddi0406/latest/
> 
> Looking at that, sys_cacheflush() meets this. The manual details a
> series of cache maintenance calls in "step 1" that the modifying thread
> must issue - this is exactly what sys_cacheflush() does. The same is
> true for ARMv6, except the "ISB" terminology is replaced by a
> "PrefetchFlush" terminology. (I checked DDI0100I).
> 
> "step 2" requires an ISB on the "other CPU" prior to executing that
> code. As I understand it, in ARMv7, userspace can issue an ISB itself.
> 
> For ARMv6K, it doesn't have ISB, but instead has a CP15 instruction
> for this that isn't availble to userspace. This is where we come to
> the situation about ARM 11MPCore, and whether we continue to support
> it or not.
> 
> So, I think we're completely fine with ARMv7 under 32-bit ARM kernels
> as userspace has everything that's required. ARMv6K is a different
> matter as we've already identified for several reasons.

Sure, and I agree we should not change cacheflush().

The point of membarrier(SYNC_CORE) is that you can move the cost of that
ISB out of the fast-path in the executing thread(s) and into the
slow-path on the thread which generated the code.

So e.g. rather than an executing thread always having to do:

	LDR	<reg>, [<funcptr>]
	ISB	// in case funcptr was just updated
	BLR	<reg>

... you have the thread generating the code use membarrier(SYNC_CORE)
prior to plublishing the funcptr, and the fast-path on all the executing
threads can be:

	LDR	<reg> [<funcptr>]
	BLR	<reg>

... and thus I think we still want membarrier(SYNC_CORE) so that people
can do this, even if there are other means to achieve the same
functionality.

Thanks,
Mark.

> 
> -- 
> RMK's Patch system: https://www.armlinux.org.uk/developer/patches/
> FTTP is here! 40Mbps down 10Mbps up. Decent connectivity at last!

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Thread overview: 165+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-16  3:21 [PATCH 0/8] membarrier cleanups Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16  3:21 ` [PATCH 1/8] membarrier: Document why membarrier() works Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16  4:00   ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-16  7:30     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-17 23:45       ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16  3:21 ` [PATCH 2/8] x86/mm: Handle unlazying membarrier core sync in the arch code Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16  4:25   ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-16 18:31     ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16 17:49   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-16 17:49     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-16 18:31     ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16  3:21 ` [PATCH 3/8] membarrier: Remove membarrier_arch_switch_mm() prototype in core code Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16  4:26   ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-16 17:52   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-16 17:52     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-16  3:21 ` [PATCH 4/8] membarrier: Make the post-switch-mm barrier explicit Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16  4:19   ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-16  7:35     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-16 18:41       ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-17  1:37         ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-17  2:57           ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-17  5:32             ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-17  6:51               ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-17 23:49                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-19  2:53                   ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-19  3:20                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-19  4:27                       ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-17  9:08               ` [RFC][PATCH] sched: Use lightweight hazard pointers to grab lazy mms Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-17  9:10                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-17 10:00                   ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-17  9:13                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-17 14:06                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-17  9:28                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-17 14:03                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-17 14:10                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-17 15:45                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-18  3:29                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-06-18  5:04                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-17 15:02               ` [PATCH 4/8] membarrier: Make the post-switch-mm barrier explicit Paul E. McKenney
2021-06-18  0:06                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-18  3:35                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-06-17  8:45         ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-16  3:21 ` [PATCH 5/8] membarrier, kthread: Use _ONCE accessors for task->mm Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16  4:28   ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-16 18:08   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-16 18:08     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-16 18:45     ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16  3:21 ` [PATCH 6/8] powerpc/membarrier: Remove special barrier on mm switch Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16  3:21   ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16  4:36   ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-16  4:36     ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-16  3:21 ` [PATCH 7/8] membarrier: Remove arm (32) support for SYNC_CORE Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16  3:21   ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16  9:28   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-06-16  9:28     ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-06-16 10:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-16 10:16     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-16 10:20     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-16 10:20       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-16 10:34       ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-06-16 10:34         ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-06-16 11:10         ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-16 11:10           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-16 13:22           ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-06-16 13:22             ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-06-16 15:04             ` Catalin Marinas
2021-06-16 15:04               ` Catalin Marinas
2021-06-16 15:23               ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-06-16 15:23                 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-06-16 15:45                 ` Catalin Marinas
2021-06-16 15:45                   ` Catalin Marinas
2021-06-16 16:00                   ` Catalin Marinas
2021-06-16 16:00                     ` Catalin Marinas
2021-06-16 16:27                     ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-06-16 16:27                       ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-06-17  8:55                       ` Krzysztof Hałasa
2021-06-17  8:55                         ` Krzysztof Hałasa
2021-06-17  8:55                         ` Krzysztof Hałasa
2021-06-18 12:54                       ` Linus Walleij
2021-06-18 12:54                         ` Linus Walleij
2021-06-18 12:54                         ` Linus Walleij
2021-06-18 13:19                         ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-06-18 13:19                           ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-06-18 13:36                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-06-18 13:36                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-06-18 13:36                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-06-17 10:40   ` Mark Rutland
2021-06-17 10:40     ` Mark Rutland
2021-06-17 11:23     ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-06-17 11:23       ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-06-17 11:33       ` Mark Rutland [this message]
2021-06-17 11:33         ` Mark Rutland
2021-06-17 13:41         ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-17 13:41           ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-17 13:51           ` Mark Rutland
2021-06-17 13:51             ` Mark Rutland
2021-06-17 14:00             ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-17 14:00               ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-17 14:20               ` Mark Rutland
2021-06-17 14:20                 ` Mark Rutland
2021-06-17 15:01               ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-17 15:01                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-17 15:13                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-17 15:13                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-17 14:16             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-17 14:16               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-17 14:05           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-17 14:05             ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-18  0:07   ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-18  0:07     ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16  3:21 ` [PATCH 8/8] membarrier: Rewrite sync_core_before_usermode() and improve documentation Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16  3:21   ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16  3:21   ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16  4:45   ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-16  4:45     ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-16  4:45     ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-16 18:52     ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16 18:52       ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16 18:52       ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16 23:48       ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16 23:48         ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16 23:48         ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-18 15:27       ` Christophe Leroy
2021-06-18 15:27         ` Christophe Leroy
2021-06-18 15:27         ` Christophe Leroy
2021-06-16 10:20   ` Will Deacon
2021-06-16 10:20     ` Will Deacon
2021-06-16 10:20     ` Will Deacon
2021-06-16 23:58     ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16 23:58       ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16 23:58       ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-17 14:47   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-17 14:47     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-17 14:47     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-17 14:47     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-18  0:12     ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-18  0:12       ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-18  0:12       ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-18 16:31       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-18 16:31         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-18 16:31         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-18 16:31         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-18 19:58         ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-18 19:58           ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-18 19:58           ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-18 20:09           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-18 20:09             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-18 20:09             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-18 20:09             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-19  6:02             ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-19  6:02               ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-19  6:02               ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-19 15:50               ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-19 15:50                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-19 15:50                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-20  2:10                 ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-20  2:10                   ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-20  2:10                   ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-17 15:16   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-17 15:16     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-17 15:16     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-17 15:16     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-18  0:13     ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-18  0:13       ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-18  0:13       ` Andy Lutomirski

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