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From: Nishanth Menon <nm@ti.com>
To: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
Cc: jerome Neanne <jneanne@baylibre.com>,
	Wadim Egorov <W.Egorov@phytec.de>,
	"lgirdwood@gmail.com" <lgirdwood@gmail.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 1/6] DONOTMERGE: arm64: dts: ti: Add TI TPS65219 PMIC support for AM642 SK board.
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2022 15:41:49 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20221215214149.whcjdphxxvvedrih@affront> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y5tl3+2pJispcXy6@sirena.org.uk>

On 18:22-20221215, Mark Brown wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 11:54:11AM -0600, Nishanth Menon wrote:
> > On 16:09-20221215, Mark Brown wrote:
> 
> > > That proposal looks really non-idiomatic and quite unusual, if there's a
> > > fixed voltage supply to the LDO I'd expect to see it modeled as a fixed
> > > voltage regulator.  I'm not sure what the use of bypass here is trying
> > > to accomplish TBH.
> 
> > The problem is this - the default NVM in the PMIC is setup such that
> > VSET value =3.3v and bypass bit set (makes sense since the vin=3.3v).
> 
> This implies no voltage drop over the LDO?  Sounds a bit suspect.

Not the choice I'd probably have made ;)

> 
> > Now the constraint is bypass bit cannot be changed without the LDO
> > being switched off.
> 
> > regulator-allow-bypass property allows us to control bypass bit, but we
> > should'nt toggle it when LDO is active. Not providing the property
> > implies the bit wont be toggled by regulator core either.
> 
> > What we need is a scheme that will disable the bypass bit with the
> > intent of operating the LDO with just the vset field. I did'nt find it
> > possible atm.. unless I am mistaken..
> 
> Can the consumer just disable the supply as part of startup?  Though
> that's starting to feel rather board specific.  There's not really a

Yeah - this happens to be SDcard supply (at least in my case).. I'd
rather not change the mmc host or core layer to handle a case where
LDO happened to be in bypass. it is a regulator driver's problem, IMHO
how to provide the stated voltage OR fail to transition the voltage.

In this driver's case, it happily accepts and set the VSET voltage - for
example to 1.8V, but then, since the bypass bit is set, well, voltage
sticks around at 3.3v.

> good place to put a board specific setup process like that in the kernel
> at the minute, you'd ideally want the firmware to leave the device at
> least disabled if not actually out of bypass on startup so we don't have
> to deal with this.  Ugh...

Yeah - that would be the other option - I could plug this bypass clear
in the u-boot or someplace early so that the LDO behaves

Also the reason why I did'nt send the mentioned patch (or the like
upstream and the patch was done just a couple of days back) were the following
questions:
a) Why would'nt we handle the case where bypass bit
   is set AND voltage change implies bypass bit needs to be disabled? (i
   would expect it to fail but if i did provide regulator-allow-bypass,
   then if bypass is set AND requested-voltage != vin-supply, then i'd
   have expected framework to probably disable bypass and switch voltage
   to new voltage - which this driver, based on it's constraint will say
   "nope, cant do" - but that would be better than silently telling me
   all good, setting vset and leaving the bypass bit on.)
b) If I wanted the LDO to poweroff the bypass bit at start (define the
   startup hardware condition), I dont seem to have a description for
   that either.



-- 
Regards,
Nishanth Menon
Key (0xDDB5849D1736249D) / Fingerprint: F8A2 8693 54EB 8232 17A3  1A34 DDB5 849D 1736 249D

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From: Nishanth Menon <nm@ti.com>
To: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
Cc: jerome Neanne <jneanne@baylibre.com>,
	Wadim Egorov <W.Egorov@phytec.de>,
	"lgirdwood@gmail.com" <lgirdwood@gmail.com>,
	"robh+dt@kernel.org" <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	"kristo@kernel.org" <kristo@kernel.org>,
	"dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com" <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>,
	"krzysztof.kozlowski+dt@linaro.org"
	<krzysztof.kozlowski+dt@linaro.org>,
	"catalin.marinas@arm.com" <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	"will@kernel.org" <will@kernel.org>,
	"lee@kernel.org" <lee@kernel.org>,
	"tony@atomide.com" <tony@atomide.com>,
	"vigneshr@ti.com" <vigneshr@ti.com>,
	"shawnguo@kernel.org" <shawnguo@kernel.org>,
	"geert+renesas@glider.be" <geert+renesas@glider.be>,
	"dmitry.baryshkov@linaro.org" <dmitry.baryshkov@linaro.org>,
	"marcel.ziswiler@toradex.com" <marcel.ziswiler@toradex.com>,
	"vkoul@kernel.org" <vkoul@kernel.org>,
	"biju.das.jz@bp.renesas.com" <biju.das.jz@bp.renesas.com>,
	"arnd@arndb.de" <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"jeff@labundy.com" <jeff@labundy.com>, "afd@ti.com" <afd@ti.com>,
	"khilman@baylibre.com" <khilman@baylibre.com>,
	"narmstrong@baylibre.com" <narmstrong@baylibre.com>,
	"msp@baylibre.com" <msp@baylibre.com>,
	"j-keerthy@ti.com" <j-keerthy@ti.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"devicetree@vger.kernel.org" <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org"
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	"linux-input@vger.kernel.org" <linux-input@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-omap@vger.kernel.org" <linux-omap@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 1/6] DONOTMERGE: arm64: dts: ti: Add TI TPS65219 PMIC support for AM642 SK board.
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2022 15:41:49 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20221215214149.whcjdphxxvvedrih@affront> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y5tl3+2pJispcXy6@sirena.org.uk>

On 18:22-20221215, Mark Brown wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 11:54:11AM -0600, Nishanth Menon wrote:
> > On 16:09-20221215, Mark Brown wrote:
> 
> > > That proposal looks really non-idiomatic and quite unusual, if there's a
> > > fixed voltage supply to the LDO I'd expect to see it modeled as a fixed
> > > voltage regulator.  I'm not sure what the use of bypass here is trying
> > > to accomplish TBH.
> 
> > The problem is this - the default NVM in the PMIC is setup such that
> > VSET value =3.3v and bypass bit set (makes sense since the vin=3.3v).
> 
> This implies no voltage drop over the LDO?  Sounds a bit suspect.

Not the choice I'd probably have made ;)

> 
> > Now the constraint is bypass bit cannot be changed without the LDO
> > being switched off.
> 
> > regulator-allow-bypass property allows us to control bypass bit, but we
> > should'nt toggle it when LDO is active. Not providing the property
> > implies the bit wont be toggled by regulator core either.
> 
> > What we need is a scheme that will disable the bypass bit with the
> > intent of operating the LDO with just the vset field. I did'nt find it
> > possible atm.. unless I am mistaken..
> 
> Can the consumer just disable the supply as part of startup?  Though
> that's starting to feel rather board specific.  There's not really a

Yeah - this happens to be SDcard supply (at least in my case).. I'd
rather not change the mmc host or core layer to handle a case where
LDO happened to be in bypass. it is a regulator driver's problem, IMHO
how to provide the stated voltage OR fail to transition the voltage.

In this driver's case, it happily accepts and set the VSET voltage - for
example to 1.8V, but then, since the bypass bit is set, well, voltage
sticks around at 3.3v.

> good place to put a board specific setup process like that in the kernel
> at the minute, you'd ideally want the firmware to leave the device at
> least disabled if not actually out of bypass on startup so we don't have
> to deal with this.  Ugh...

Yeah - that would be the other option - I could plug this bypass clear
in the u-boot or someplace early so that the LDO behaves

Also the reason why I did'nt send the mentioned patch (or the like
upstream and the patch was done just a couple of days back) were the following
questions:
a) Why would'nt we handle the case where bypass bit
   is set AND voltage change implies bypass bit needs to be disabled? (i
   would expect it to fail but if i did provide regulator-allow-bypass,
   then if bypass is set AND requested-voltage != vin-supply, then i'd
   have expected framework to probably disable bypass and switch voltage
   to new voltage - which this driver, based on it's constraint will say
   "nope, cant do" - but that would be better than silently telling me
   all good, setting vset and leaving the bypass bit on.)
b) If I wanted the LDO to poweroff the bypass bit at start (define the
   startup hardware condition), I dont seem to have a description for
   that either.



-- 
Regards,
Nishanth Menon
Key (0xDDB5849D1736249D) / Fingerprint: F8A2 8693 54EB 8232 17A3  1A34 DDB5 849D 1736 249D

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-12-15 21:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-04 15:23 [PATCH v7 0/6] Add support for TI TPS65219 PMIC Jerome Neanne
2022-11-04 15:23 ` Jerome Neanne
2022-11-04 15:23 ` [PATCH v7 1/6] DONOTMERGE: arm64: dts: ti: Add TI TPS65219 PMIC support for AM642 SK board Jerome Neanne
2022-11-04 15:23   ` Jerome Neanne
2022-12-15 15:09   ` Wadim Egorov
2022-12-15 15:09     ` Wadim Egorov
2022-12-15 15:51     ` jerome Neanne
2022-12-15 15:51       ` jerome Neanne
2022-12-15 16:09       ` Mark Brown
2022-12-15 16:09         ` Mark Brown
2022-12-15 17:54         ` Nishanth Menon
2022-12-15 17:54           ` Nishanth Menon
2022-12-15 18:22           ` Mark Brown
2022-12-15 18:22             ` Mark Brown
2022-12-15 21:41             ` Nishanth Menon [this message]
2022-12-15 21:41               ` Nishanth Menon
2022-12-16  6:21               ` Vignesh Raghavendra
2022-12-16  6:21                 ` Vignesh Raghavendra
2022-12-16  7:28                 ` jerome Neanne
2022-12-16  7:28                   ` jerome Neanne
2022-12-16 13:41               ` Mark Brown
2022-12-16 13:41                 ` Mark Brown
2022-12-28 10:16                 ` Wadim Egorov
2022-12-28 10:16                   ` Wadim Egorov
2022-11-04 15:23 ` [PATCH v7 2/6] DONOTMERGE: arm64: dts: ti: Add pinmux and irq mapping for TPS65219 external interrupts Jerome Neanne
2022-11-04 15:23   ` Jerome Neanne
2022-11-04 15:23 ` [PATCH v7 3/6] DONOTMERGE: arm64: dts: ti: k3-am642-sk: Enable tps65219 power-button Jerome Neanne
2022-11-04 15:23   ` Jerome Neanne
2022-11-04 15:23 ` [PATCH v7 4/6] mfd: tps65219: Add driver for TI TPS65219 PMIC Jerome Neanne
2022-11-04 15:23   ` Jerome Neanne
2022-11-15 22:26   ` Kevin Hilman
2022-11-15 22:26     ` Kevin Hilman
2022-11-15 23:14   ` Kevin Hilman
2022-11-15 23:14     ` Kevin Hilman
2022-11-16 13:58     ` Lee Jones
2022-11-16 13:58       ` Lee Jones
2022-11-16 18:11   ` Lee Jones
2022-11-16 18:11     ` Lee Jones
2022-11-04 15:23 ` [PATCH v7 5/6] Input: Add tps65219 interrupt driven powerbutton Jerome Neanne
2022-11-04 15:23   ` Jerome Neanne
2022-11-17 11:53   ` Lee Jones
2022-11-17 11:53     ` Lee Jones
2022-11-04 15:23 ` [PATCH v7 6/6] arm64: defconfig: Add tps65219 as modules Jerome Neanne
2022-11-04 15:23   ` Jerome Neanne
2022-11-15 22:23   ` Kevin Hilman
2022-11-15 22:23     ` Kevin Hilman
2022-11-17 16:00     ` Kevin Hilman
2022-11-17 16:00       ` Kevin Hilman
2022-12-05 18:08 ` [PATCH v7 0/6] Add support for TI TPS65219 PMIC Francesco Dolcini
2022-12-05 18:08   ` Francesco Dolcini
2022-12-06 19:22   ` jerome Neanne
2022-12-06 19:22     ` jerome Neanne
2023-05-22 11:57     ` jerome Neanne
2023-05-22 11:57       ` jerome Neanne

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