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From: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: elladan@eskimo.com, peterz@infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, tytso@mit.edu,
	kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] vmscan: evict use-once pages first (v2)
Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 10:05:53 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49FB01C1.6050204@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090430195439.e02edc26.akpm@linux-foundation.org>

Andrew Morton wrote:

>> When we implement working set protection, we might as well
>> do it for frequently accessed unmapped pages too.  There is
>> no reason to restrict this protection to mapped pages.
> 
> Well.  Except for empirical observation, which tells us that biasing
> reclaim to prefer to retain mapped memory produces a better result.

That used to be the case because file-backed and
swap-backed pages shared the same set of LRUs,
while each following a different page reclaim
heuristic!

Today:
1) file-backed and swap-backed pages are separated,
2) the majority of mapped pages are on the swap-backed LRUs
3) the accessed bit on active pages no longer means much,
    for good scalability reasons, and
4) because of (3), we cannot really provide special treatment
    to any individual page any more, however

This means we need to provide our working set protection
on a per-list basis, by tweaking the scan rate or avoiding
scanning of the active file list alltogether under certain
conditions.

As a side effect, this will help protect frequently accessed
file pages (good for ftp and nfs servers), indirect blocks,
inode buffers and other frequently used metadata.

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All rights reversed.

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From: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: elladan@eskimo.com, peterz@infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, tytso@mit.edu,
	kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] vmscan: evict use-once pages first (v2)
Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 10:05:53 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49FB01C1.6050204@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090430195439.e02edc26.akpm@linux-foundation.org>

Andrew Morton wrote:

>> When we implement working set protection, we might as well
>> do it for frequently accessed unmapped pages too.  There is
>> no reason to restrict this protection to mapped pages.
> 
> Well.  Except for empirical observation, which tells us that biasing
> reclaim to prefer to retain mapped memory produces a better result.

That used to be the case because file-backed and
swap-backed pages shared the same set of LRUs,
while each following a different page reclaim
heuristic!

Today:
1) file-backed and swap-backed pages are separated,
2) the majority of mapped pages are on the swap-backed LRUs
3) the accessed bit on active pages no longer means much,
    for good scalability reasons, and
4) because of (3), we cannot really provide special treatment
    to any individual page any more, however

This means we need to provide our working set protection
on a per-list basis, by tweaking the scan rate or avoiding
scanning of the active file list alltogether under certain
conditions.

As a side effect, this will help protect frequently accessed
file pages (good for ftp and nfs servers), indirect blocks,
inode buffers and other frequently used metadata.

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All rights reversed.

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Thread overview: 336+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-28  4:44 Swappiness vs. mmap() and interactive response Elladan
2009-04-28  5:35 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-28  5:35   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-28  6:36   ` Elladan
2009-04-28  6:36     ` Elladan
2009-04-28  6:52     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-28  6:52       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-28  7:26       ` Elladan
2009-04-28  7:26         ` Elladan
2009-04-28  7:44         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-28  7:44           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-28  7:48   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-04-28  7:48     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-04-28  7:58     ` Balbir Singh
2009-04-28  7:58       ` Balbir Singh
2009-04-28  8:11       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-04-28  8:11         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-04-28  8:23         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-28  8:23           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-28  8:25         ` Balbir Singh
2009-04-28  8:25           ` Balbir Singh
2009-04-28  8:03     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-28  8:03       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-28  9:09     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-28  9:09       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-28  9:26       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-28  9:26         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-28 12:08       ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-28 12:08         ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-29  5:51         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-29  5:51           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-29  6:34           ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-29  6:34             ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-29  7:47             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-29  7:47               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-30  4:14             ` Elladan
2009-04-30  4:14               ` Elladan
2009-04-30  4:43               ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-30  4:43                 ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-30  4:55                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-30  4:55                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-30  4:55                 ` Elladan
2009-04-30  4:55                   ` Elladan
2009-04-29  7:48           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-29  7:48             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-30 11:59           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-30 11:59             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-30 13:46             ` Elladan
2009-04-30 13:46               ` Elladan
2009-05-06 11:04             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-06 11:04               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-28 15:28   ` Rik van Riel
2009-04-28 23:29 ` [PATCH] vmscan: evict use-once pages first Rik van Riel
2009-04-28 23:29   ` Rik van Riel
2009-04-29  3:36   ` Elladan
2009-04-29  3:36     ` Elladan
2009-04-29 17:06     ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-04-29 17:06       ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-04-29  6:42   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-04-29  6:42     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-04-29 13:30     ` Rik van Riel
2009-04-29 13:30       ` Rik van Riel
2009-04-29 15:47     ` [PATCH] vmscan: evict use-once pages first (v2) Rik van Riel
2009-04-29 15:47       ` Rik van Riel
2009-04-29 16:07       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-29 16:07         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-29 16:18         ` Rik van Riel
2009-04-29 16:18           ` Rik van Riel
2009-04-29 17:14         ` [PATCH] vmscan: evict use-once pages first (v3) Rik van Riel
2009-04-29 17:14           ` Rik van Riel
2009-04-30  0:39           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-30  0:39             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-30  8:10           ` Johannes Weiner
2009-04-30  8:10             ` Johannes Weiner
2009-05-01 22:32           ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01 22:32             ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01 23:05             ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-01 23:05               ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-01 23:25               ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01 23:25                 ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-03  1:28                 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-03  1:28                   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-03  1:15           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-03  1:15             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-03  1:33             ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-03  1:33               ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-03  1:46               ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-03  1:46                 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-29 16:10       ` [PATCH] vmscan: evict use-once pages first (v2) Peter Zijlstra
2009-04-29 16:10         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-04-30  7:20       ` Elladan
2009-04-30  7:20         ` Elladan
2009-04-30 13:08         ` Rik van Riel
2009-04-30 13:08           ` Rik van Riel
2009-04-30 14:00           ` Elladan
2009-04-30 14:00             ` Elladan
2009-05-01  0:45         ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01  0:45           ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01  0:59           ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-01  0:59             ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-01  1:13             ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01  1:13               ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01  1:50               ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-01  1:50                 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-01  2:54                 ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01  2:54                   ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01 14:05                   ` Rik van Riel [this message]
2009-05-01 14:05                     ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-01 18:04                     ` Ray Lee
2009-05-01 18:04                       ` Ray Lee
2009-05-01 19:34                       ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-01 19:34                         ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-01 19:44                         ` Ray Lee
2009-05-01 19:44                           ` Ray Lee
2009-05-01 20:08                           ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-01 20:08                             ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-01 20:17                         ` Elladan
2009-05-01 20:17                           ` Elladan
2009-05-01 19:35                     ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01 19:35                       ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01 20:05                       ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-01 20:05                         ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-01 20:45                         ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01 20:45                           ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01 21:46                           ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-01 21:46                             ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-03  3:15                       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-03  3:15                         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-03  3:24                         ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-03  3:24                           ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-03  3:43                           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-03  3:43                             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-04 10:23                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-04 10:23                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-07 12:11                           ` [PATCH -mm] vmscan: make mapped executable pages the first class citizen Wu Fengguang
2009-05-07 12:11                             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-07 13:39                             ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 13:39                               ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 14:15                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-07 14:15                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-07 14:18                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 14:18                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 14:38                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-07 14:38                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-07 15:36                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 15:36                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 15:59                                       ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-07 15:59                                         ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-07 15:06                                   ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-07 15:06                                     ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-07 16:00                                   ` Lee Schermerhorn
2009-05-07 16:00                                     ` Lee Schermerhorn
2009-05-07 16:32                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 16:32                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 17:11                                       ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-07 17:11                                         ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-08  3:40                                         ` Elladan
2009-05-08  3:40                                           ` Elladan
2009-05-08 16:04                                           ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-08 16:04                                             ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-09  4:04                                             ` Elladan
2009-05-09  4:04                                               ` Elladan
2009-05-08 17:18                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-08 17:18                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-09 10:20                                             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-09 10:20                                               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-08 17:37                                           ` Alan Cox
2009-05-08 17:37                                             ` Alan Cox
2009-05-07 15:10                             ` Johannes Weiner
2009-05-07 15:10                               ` Johannes Weiner
2009-05-07 15:17                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-07 15:17                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-07 15:21                                 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-07 15:21                                   ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-08  3:30                                 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-08  3:30                                   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-08  4:17                                 ` [RFC][PATCH] vmscan: report vm_flags in page_referenced() Wu Fengguang
2009-05-08  4:17                                   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-08 12:09                                   ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-08 12:09                                     ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-08 12:15                                     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-08 12:15                                       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-08 14:01                                       ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-08 14:01                                         ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-09  6:56                                         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-09  6:56                                           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-10 23:45                                           ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-10 23:45                                             ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-17 11:25                                             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-17 11:25                                               ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-07 20:44                               ` [PATCH -mm] vmscan: make mapped executable pages the first class citizen Andrew Morton
2009-05-07 20:44                                 ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-08  8:16                                 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-08  8:16                                   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-08  8:28                                   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-08  8:28                                     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-08 19:58                                   ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-08 19:58                                     ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-08 22:00                                     ` Alan Cox
2009-05-08 22:00                                       ` Alan Cox
2009-05-08 22:15                                       ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-08 22:15                                         ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-08 22:53                                         ` Elladan
2009-05-08 22:53                                           ` Elladan
2009-05-08 22:20                                       ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-08 22:20                                         ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-10  8:59                                       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10  8:59                                         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10  9:07                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-10  9:07                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-10  9:35                                           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-10  9:35                                             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-10 10:06                                             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10 10:06                                               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10  9:36                                           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10  9:36                                             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10 13:45                                             ` Alan Cox
2009-05-10 13:45                                               ` Alan Cox
2009-05-10 13:56                                               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10 13:56                                                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10 14:51                                               ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-10 14:51                                                 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-10 14:59                                                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10 14:59                                                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10 20:13                                                 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-10 20:13                                                   ` Alan Cox
2009-05-10 20:37                                                   ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-10 20:37                                                     ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-10 21:23                                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-05-10 21:23                                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-05-11 10:03                                                       ` Johannes Weiner
2009-05-11 10:03                                                         ` Johannes Weiner
2009-05-10 21:29                                                     ` Alan Cox
2009-05-10 21:29                                                       ` Alan Cox
2009-05-10  9:20                                         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-10  9:20                                           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-10  9:29                                           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10  9:29                                             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10 10:03                                             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-10 10:03                                               ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-10 10:15                                               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10 10:15                                                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10 11:21                                                 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-10 11:21                                                   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-10 11:39                                                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10 11:39                                                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10 11:44                                                     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-10 11:44                                                       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-10 12:19                                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-10 12:19                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-10 12:39                                                         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10 12:39                                                           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10 13:17                                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-10 13:17                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-12  2:50                                     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12  2:50                                       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12  4:35                                       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12  4:35                                         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12 13:20                                       ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-12 13:20                                         ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-16  9:26                                         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-16  9:26                                           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12  2:51                                     ` [PATCH -mm] vmscan: report vm_flags in page_referenced() Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12  2:51                                       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12  6:23                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-12  6:23                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-12  6:44                                         ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-12  6:44                                           ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-12 11:44                                           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12 11:44                                             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12  2:52                                     ` [PATCH -mm] vmscan: make mapped executable pages the first class citizen Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12  2:52                                       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12  3:00                                       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-12  3:00                                         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-12 20:54                                         ` [PATCH -mm] vmscan: protect a fraction of file backed mapped pages from reclaim Christoph Lameter
2009-05-12 20:54                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-12 17:06                                           ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-12 17:06                                             ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-12 21:20                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-12 21:20                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-12 17:39                                               ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-12 17:39                                                 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-12 22:02                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-12 22:02                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-12 20:17                                                   ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-12 20:17                                                     ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-12 20:26                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-12 20:26                                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-13  0:45                                           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-13  0:45                                             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-14 20:14                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-14 20:14                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-14 23:28                                               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-14 23:28                                                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-14 23:42                                                 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-14 23:42                                                   ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-15 18:09                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-15 18:09                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-16  8:54                                               ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-16  8:54                                                 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12  8:17                                       ` [PATCH -mm] vmscan: make mapped executable pages the first class citizen Minchan Kim
2009-05-12  8:17                                         ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-12  2:53                                     ` [PATCH -mm] vmscan: merge duplicate code in shrink_active_list() Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12  2:53                                       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12  2:58                                       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-12  2:58                                         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-12  3:03                                         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12  3:03                                           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12  7:26                                       ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-12  7:26                                         ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-12 11:48                                         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12 11:48                                           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12 11:57                                           ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-12 11:57                                             ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-12 13:32                                           ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-12 13:32                                             ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-16  9:30                                             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-16  9:30                                               ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-08  3:02                               ` [PATCH -mm] vmscan: make mapped executable pages the first class citizen Wu Fengguang
2009-05-08  3:02                                 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-08  7:30                                 ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-08  7:30                                   ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-08  8:09                                   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-08  8:09                                     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-08  9:34                                     ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-08  9:34                                       ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-08 14:25                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-08 14:25                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-08 14:34                                         ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-08 14:34                                           ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-08 17:41                                         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-08 17:41                                           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-04  8:04                       ` [PATCH] vmscan: evict use-once pages first (v2) Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-04  8:04                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-01  3:09           ` Elladan
2009-05-01  3:09             ` Elladan

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