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From: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
To: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"hannes@cmpxchg.org" <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	"peterz@infradead.org" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"tytso@mit.edu" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"elladan@eskimo.com" <elladan@eskimo.com>,
	"npiggin@suse.de" <npiggin@suse.de>,
	"minchan.kim@gmail.com" <minchan.kim@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH -mm] vmscan: protect a fraction of file backed mapped pages from reclaim
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 13:06:25 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A09AC91.4060506@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0905121650090.14226@qirst.com>

Christoph Lameter wrote:
> All these expiration modifications do not take into account that a desktop
> may sit idle for hours while some other things run in the background (like
> backups at night or updatedb and other maintenance things). This still
> means that the desktop will be usuable in the morning.

New file pages start on the inactive list and will get reclaimed
after one access. Only file pages that get accessed multiple times
get promoted to the active file LRU.

The patch that only allows active file pages to be deactivated
if the active file LRU is larger than the inactive file LRU should
protect the working set from being evicted due to streaming IO.

Even if the working set is currently idle.

> I have had some success with a patch that protects a pages in the file
> cache from being unmapped if the mapped pages are below a certain
> percentage of the file cache. Its another VM knob to define the percentage
> though.

That is another way of protecting mapped file pages, but it does
not have the side effect of protecting the page cache working set
on eg. file servers or mysql or postgresql installs with default
tunables (which rely heavily on the page cache to cache the right
things).

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From: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
To: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"hannes@cmpxchg.org" <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	"peterz@infradead.org" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"tytso@mit.edu" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"elladan@eskimo.com" <elladan@eskimo.com>,
	"npiggin@suse.de" <npiggin@suse.de>,
	"minchan.kim@gmail.com" <minchan.kim@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH -mm] vmscan: protect a fraction of file backed mapped pages from reclaim
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 13:06:25 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A09AC91.4060506@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0905121650090.14226@qirst.com>

Christoph Lameter wrote:
> All these expiration modifications do not take into account that a desktop
> may sit idle for hours while some other things run in the background (like
> backups at night or updatedb and other maintenance things). This still
> means that the desktop will be usuable in the morning.

New file pages start on the inactive list and will get reclaimed
after one access. Only file pages that get accessed multiple times
get promoted to the active file LRU.

The patch that only allows active file pages to be deactivated
if the active file LRU is larger than the inactive file LRU should
protect the working set from being evicted due to streaming IO.

Even if the working set is currently idle.

> I have had some success with a patch that protects a pages in the file
> cache from being unmapped if the mapped pages are below a certain
> percentage of the file cache. Its another VM knob to define the percentage
> though.

That is another way of protecting mapped file pages, but it does
not have the side effect of protecting the page cache working set
on eg. file servers or mysql or postgresql installs with default
tunables (which rely heavily on the page cache to cache the right
things).

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Thread overview: 336+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-28  4:44 Swappiness vs. mmap() and interactive response Elladan
2009-04-28  5:35 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-28  5:35   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-28  6:36   ` Elladan
2009-04-28  6:36     ` Elladan
2009-04-28  6:52     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-28  6:52       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-28  7:26       ` Elladan
2009-04-28  7:26         ` Elladan
2009-04-28  7:44         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-28  7:44           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-28  7:48   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-04-28  7:48     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-04-28  7:58     ` Balbir Singh
2009-04-28  7:58       ` Balbir Singh
2009-04-28  8:11       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-04-28  8:11         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-04-28  8:23         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-28  8:23           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-28  8:25         ` Balbir Singh
2009-04-28  8:25           ` Balbir Singh
2009-04-28  8:03     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-28  8:03       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-28  9:09     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-28  9:09       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-28  9:26       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-28  9:26         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-28 12:08       ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-28 12:08         ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-29  5:51         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-29  5:51           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-29  6:34           ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-29  6:34             ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-29  7:47             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-29  7:47               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-30  4:14             ` Elladan
2009-04-30  4:14               ` Elladan
2009-04-30  4:43               ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-30  4:43                 ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-30  4:55                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-30  4:55                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-30  4:55                 ` Elladan
2009-04-30  4:55                   ` Elladan
2009-04-29  7:48           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-29  7:48             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-30 11:59           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-30 11:59             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-30 13:46             ` Elladan
2009-04-30 13:46               ` Elladan
2009-05-06 11:04             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-06 11:04               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-28 15:28   ` Rik van Riel
2009-04-28 23:29 ` [PATCH] vmscan: evict use-once pages first Rik van Riel
2009-04-28 23:29   ` Rik van Riel
2009-04-29  3:36   ` Elladan
2009-04-29  3:36     ` Elladan
2009-04-29 17:06     ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-04-29 17:06       ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-04-29  6:42   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-04-29  6:42     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-04-29 13:30     ` Rik van Riel
2009-04-29 13:30       ` Rik van Riel
2009-04-29 15:47     ` [PATCH] vmscan: evict use-once pages first (v2) Rik van Riel
2009-04-29 15:47       ` Rik van Riel
2009-04-29 16:07       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-29 16:07         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-29 16:18         ` Rik van Riel
2009-04-29 16:18           ` Rik van Riel
2009-04-29 17:14         ` [PATCH] vmscan: evict use-once pages first (v3) Rik van Riel
2009-04-29 17:14           ` Rik van Riel
2009-04-30  0:39           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-30  0:39             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-30  8:10           ` Johannes Weiner
2009-04-30  8:10             ` Johannes Weiner
2009-05-01 22:32           ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01 22:32             ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01 23:05             ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-01 23:05               ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-01 23:25               ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01 23:25                 ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-03  1:28                 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-03  1:28                   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-03  1:15           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-03  1:15             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-03  1:33             ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-03  1:33               ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-03  1:46               ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-03  1:46                 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-29 16:10       ` [PATCH] vmscan: evict use-once pages first (v2) Peter Zijlstra
2009-04-29 16:10         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-04-30  7:20       ` Elladan
2009-04-30  7:20         ` Elladan
2009-04-30 13:08         ` Rik van Riel
2009-04-30 13:08           ` Rik van Riel
2009-04-30 14:00           ` Elladan
2009-04-30 14:00             ` Elladan
2009-05-01  0:45         ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01  0:45           ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01  0:59           ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-01  0:59             ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-01  1:13             ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01  1:13               ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01  1:50               ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-01  1:50                 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-01  2:54                 ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01  2:54                   ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01 14:05                   ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-01 14:05                     ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-01 18:04                     ` Ray Lee
2009-05-01 18:04                       ` Ray Lee
2009-05-01 19:34                       ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-01 19:34                         ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-01 19:44                         ` Ray Lee
2009-05-01 19:44                           ` Ray Lee
2009-05-01 20:08                           ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-01 20:08                             ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-01 20:17                         ` Elladan
2009-05-01 20:17                           ` Elladan
2009-05-01 19:35                     ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01 19:35                       ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01 20:05                       ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-01 20:05                         ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-01 20:45                         ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01 20:45                           ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01 21:46                           ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-01 21:46                             ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-03  3:15                       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-03  3:15                         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-03  3:24                         ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-03  3:24                           ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-03  3:43                           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-03  3:43                             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-04 10:23                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-04 10:23                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-07 12:11                           ` [PATCH -mm] vmscan: make mapped executable pages the first class citizen Wu Fengguang
2009-05-07 12:11                             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-07 13:39                             ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 13:39                               ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 14:15                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-07 14:15                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-07 14:18                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 14:18                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 14:38                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-07 14:38                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-07 15:36                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 15:36                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 15:59                                       ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-07 15:59                                         ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-07 15:06                                   ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-07 15:06                                     ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-07 16:00                                   ` Lee Schermerhorn
2009-05-07 16:00                                     ` Lee Schermerhorn
2009-05-07 16:32                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 16:32                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 17:11                                       ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-07 17:11                                         ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-08  3:40                                         ` Elladan
2009-05-08  3:40                                           ` Elladan
2009-05-08 16:04                                           ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-08 16:04                                             ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-09  4:04                                             ` Elladan
2009-05-09  4:04                                               ` Elladan
2009-05-08 17:18                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-08 17:18                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-09 10:20                                             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-09 10:20                                               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-08 17:37                                           ` Alan Cox
2009-05-08 17:37                                             ` Alan Cox
2009-05-07 15:10                             ` Johannes Weiner
2009-05-07 15:10                               ` Johannes Weiner
2009-05-07 15:17                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-07 15:17                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-07 15:21                                 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-07 15:21                                   ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-08  3:30                                 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-08  3:30                                   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-08  4:17                                 ` [RFC][PATCH] vmscan: report vm_flags in page_referenced() Wu Fengguang
2009-05-08  4:17                                   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-08 12:09                                   ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-08 12:09                                     ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-08 12:15                                     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-08 12:15                                       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-08 14:01                                       ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-08 14:01                                         ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-09  6:56                                         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-09  6:56                                           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-10 23:45                                           ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-10 23:45                                             ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-17 11:25                                             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-17 11:25                                               ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-07 20:44                               ` [PATCH -mm] vmscan: make mapped executable pages the first class citizen Andrew Morton
2009-05-07 20:44                                 ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-08  8:16                                 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-08  8:16                                   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-08  8:28                                   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-08  8:28                                     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-08 19:58                                   ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-08 19:58                                     ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-08 22:00                                     ` Alan Cox
2009-05-08 22:00                                       ` Alan Cox
2009-05-08 22:15                                       ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-08 22:15                                         ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-08 22:53                                         ` Elladan
2009-05-08 22:53                                           ` Elladan
2009-05-08 22:20                                       ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-08 22:20                                         ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-10  8:59                                       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10  8:59                                         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10  9:07                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-10  9:07                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-10  9:35                                           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-10  9:35                                             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-10 10:06                                             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10 10:06                                               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10  9:36                                           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10  9:36                                             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10 13:45                                             ` Alan Cox
2009-05-10 13:45                                               ` Alan Cox
2009-05-10 13:56                                               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10 13:56                                                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10 14:51                                               ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-10 14:51                                                 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-10 14:59                                                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10 14:59                                                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10 20:13                                                 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-10 20:13                                                   ` Alan Cox
2009-05-10 20:37                                                   ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-10 20:37                                                     ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-10 21:23                                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-05-10 21:23                                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-05-11 10:03                                                       ` Johannes Weiner
2009-05-11 10:03                                                         ` Johannes Weiner
2009-05-10 21:29                                                     ` Alan Cox
2009-05-10 21:29                                                       ` Alan Cox
2009-05-10  9:20                                         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-10  9:20                                           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-10  9:29                                           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10  9:29                                             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10 10:03                                             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-10 10:03                                               ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-10 10:15                                               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10 10:15                                                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10 11:21                                                 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-10 11:21                                                   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-10 11:39                                                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10 11:39                                                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10 11:44                                                     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-10 11:44                                                       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-10 12:19                                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-10 12:19                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-10 12:39                                                         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10 12:39                                                           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10 13:17                                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-10 13:17                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-12  2:50                                     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12  2:50                                       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12  4:35                                       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12  4:35                                         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12 13:20                                       ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-12 13:20                                         ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-16  9:26                                         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-16  9:26                                           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12  2:51                                     ` [PATCH -mm] vmscan: report vm_flags in page_referenced() Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12  2:51                                       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12  6:23                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-12  6:23                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-12  6:44                                         ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-12  6:44                                           ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-12 11:44                                           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12 11:44                                             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12  2:52                                     ` [PATCH -mm] vmscan: make mapped executable pages the first class citizen Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12  2:52                                       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12  3:00                                       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-12  3:00                                         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-12 20:54                                         ` [PATCH -mm] vmscan: protect a fraction of file backed mapped pages from reclaim Christoph Lameter
2009-05-12 20:54                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-12 17:06                                           ` Rik van Riel [this message]
2009-05-12 17:06                                             ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-12 21:20                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-12 21:20                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-12 17:39                                               ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-12 17:39                                                 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-12 22:02                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-12 22:02                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-12 20:17                                                   ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-12 20:17                                                     ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-12 20:26                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-12 20:26                                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-13  0:45                                           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-13  0:45                                             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-14 20:14                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-14 20:14                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-14 23:28                                               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-14 23:28                                                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-14 23:42                                                 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-14 23:42                                                   ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-15 18:09                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-15 18:09                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-16  8:54                                               ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-16  8:54                                                 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12  8:17                                       ` [PATCH -mm] vmscan: make mapped executable pages the first class citizen Minchan Kim
2009-05-12  8:17                                         ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-12  2:53                                     ` [PATCH -mm] vmscan: merge duplicate code in shrink_active_list() Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12  2:53                                       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12  2:58                                       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-12  2:58                                         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-12  3:03                                         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12  3:03                                           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12  7:26                                       ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-12  7:26                                         ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-12 11:48                                         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12 11:48                                           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12 11:57                                           ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-12 11:57                                             ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-12 13:32                                           ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-12 13:32                                             ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-16  9:30                                             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-16  9:30                                               ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-08  3:02                               ` [PATCH -mm] vmscan: make mapped executable pages the first class citizen Wu Fengguang
2009-05-08  3:02                                 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-08  7:30                                 ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-08  7:30                                   ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-08  8:09                                   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-08  8:09                                     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-08  9:34                                     ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-08  9:34                                       ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-08 14:25                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-08 14:25                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-08 14:34                                         ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-08 14:34                                           ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-08 17:41                                         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-08 17:41                                           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-04  8:04                       ` [PATCH] vmscan: evict use-once pages first (v2) Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-04  8:04                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-01  3:09           ` Elladan
2009-05-01  3:09             ` Elladan

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